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[Rahelron]

Seeing the last two trailers I realized that, unless the writers do a reallly amazing job, the story behind the main character of DAI is going to be a very crappy one.

 

Why is that?

 

Because the inquisitor was meant to be Hawke. The entire Dragon Age 2 story was built to give a background to the one who had to become the inquisitor in DA3. They hinted it very obviously: why was cassandra, a seeker, looking for Hawke? Because she was looking for someone to put in charge of the inquisition and he was the one best suited for that role: he had already  dealt with mages vs templar matters.

 

Then everything went wrong. DA2 was a crappy game, Hawke was hated pretty much by everyone and all that jazz.

Bioware developers had to restart from scratch: a new character with a new story.

 

So we arrive to the Inquisiton's trailers and we get to know that Cassandra eventually finds someone, but not Hawke: some guy that spawns in the right place at the right time and has the very convenient superpower to mend tears in the veil. This premise alone is a masterclass in bad writing IMHO.

 

At the very beginning of DAI the experienced player will need some VERY THOUGH questions to be answered in order to immerse himself in the game:

- Why does Cassandra suddenly forget about Hawke?

- Why is this new guy put in charge of the inquisition? He is noone, he has no reputation or experience. Why not Hawke, the warden or any of their companions who, by the way, are some of the most powerful mages/warriors/thieves in all Thedas?

- Yeah, the power to mend the veil is very convenient indeed and makes the protagonist the only one who can stop the world from being torn apart. What about giving some convincing explanation on how he got it?

 

Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I don't think the writers will be able to give a convincing answer to all the questions I listed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cassandra states why she was looking for Hawke in DA2: to serve as a voice of reason to the side they supported at the end of the game. 

[Pateu]

Now that I think about, it makes sense.

 

It's why the Warden and Hawke LOLdisappeared. Because they couldn't please the fans with either.

 

With the Warden, fans would ****** that the voice is not the one they imagined.

 

With Hawke, he's just a human and people want to play Qunari.

 

Well, damn.

 

You should never sacrifice good plot for the fans. 

[90s Luke]

Theory: Hawke and The Warden die when the Veil tears.

 

We know that the prologue is a peace conference between mages and templars, which means that Hawke could be in attendance.

 

The Wardens could be there as well, if the two warring factions wanted an impartial security force. Therefore, the Warden could also be there.

 

Since the protagonist (the Inquisitor) is the only one who survives this peace conference, every other potential attendee would be dead.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If dai will be true and good rpg game with decent rp aspect (unlike da 2) i don't see problem with random guy after all if rpg is good it depends on player how pc is intresting.

 

It is not different than most rpg does from zero to hero (or villain) where unimportant person becomes superpowerful killing machine.

 

"Why does Cassandra suddenly forget about Hawke?"

Because she didn't found him and seek competent person to solve current problems (oh crap hawke was far from competent).

 

"Why is this new guy put in charge of the inquisition? He is noone, he has no reputation or experience. Why not Hawke, the warden or any of their companions who, by the way, are some of the most powerful mages/warriors/thieves in all Thedas?"

Good question i seek answer for that myself but it will require play this game.Why not hawke see above.Why not the warden see above.Well being powerful doesn't mean you are good leader.Also inq is only person that can fix veil so he is rather hope bringer and if he will be more like the warden than hawke he will be competent.

"Yeah, the power to mend the veil is very convenient indeed and makes the protagonist the only one who can stop the world from being torn apart. What about giving some convincing explanation on how he got it?"

That also require playing dai so i won't answer on that.

[Althix]

you do realize that Hawke was forced to choose sides right? So if a guy instead of red would go blue, and i am a red, i would never trust this guy.

 

Honestly i was hoping for some secret group of people, instead of reformed organization.

 

p.s. but i do agree that another "guy with superpower" is rather sad decision.

[Rahelron]

Theory: Hawke and The Warden die when the Veil tears.

 

We know that the prologue is a peace conference between mages and templars, which means that Hawke could be in attendance.

 

The Wardens could be there as well, if the two warring factions wanted an impartial security force. Therefore, the Warden could also be there.

 

Since the protagonist (the Inquisitor) is the only one who survives this peace conference, every other potential attendee would be dead.

 

I'll admit that this could solve the first problem: Cassandra goes to the peace talks to find hawke but when she arrives there everyone is dead except the to-be Inquisitor. Not a satisfying end to warden's and hawke's story arcs (dying from an explosion without being able to do anything about it... it's like Frederick I Red Beard who died falling from his horse) but it would work nevertheless.

[thats1evildude]

Hawke was not meant to be the Inquisitor. The Inquisition is the Divine's "Plan C" after her first two plans went awry (attempting to use the Tranquility cure to barter for more mage rights, finding Hawke or the Warden to be a mediator between the warring sides).

 

That the Inquisitor is apparently connected to these Veil tears is a fortunate accident. There's no way the Divine could have foreseen that.

[Eveangaline]

We don't know the inquisitors origin yet so saying it has problems is pre-emptive.

[Rahelron]

Hawke was not meant to be the Inquisitor. The Inquisition is the Divine's "Plan C" after her first two plans went awry (attempting to use the Tranquility cure to barter for more mage rights, finding Hawke or the Warden to be a mediator between the warring sides).

 

That the Inquisitor is apparently connected to these Veil tears is a fortunate accident. There's no way the Divine could have foreseen that.

 

Do you really think that Bioware would have made us play a WHOLE GAME in the shoes of a character that, just after becoming one of the most powerful men in all Thedas, was ment to be recruited as a mediator, fail at his task and be replaced by someone else with no experience and no background knowledge of mages/templars matters? All of this off screen after you've played a whole game from his perspective?

 

"Ok: you've spent 40+ hours of your life just to see how the mages vs templars wars began in the shoes of a character that was little more than a witness. Cool eh? Now forget about him, for the whole DA2 we have hyped up an encounter with Cassandra, but now we are going to leave it off screen. We have built up a plot around Hawke to make him fail exactly when he was finally going to do something himself and not at someone else's orders and we won't even show it. Enjoy this new story with a brand new character instead". Do you really think this was the plan from the beginning?

 

Ok that DA2 was a crappy game, but I refuse to imagine it was bad to this extent.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Do you really think that Bioware would have made us play a WHOLE GAME in the shoes of a character that, just after becoming one of the most powerful men in all Thedas, was ment to be recruited as a mediator, fail at his task and be replaced by someone else with no experience and no background knowledge of mages/templars matters? All of this off screen after you've played a whole game from his perspective?

 

"Ok: you've spent 40+ hours of your life just to see how the mages vs templars wars began in the shoes of a character that was little more than a witness. Cool eh? Now forget about him, for the whole DA2 we have hyped up an encounter with Cassandra, but now we are going to leave it off screen. We have built up a plot around Hawke to make him fail exactly when he was finally going to do something himself and not at someone else's orders and we won't even show it. Enjoy this new story with a brand new character instead". Do you really think this was the plan from the beginning?

 

Ok that DA2 was a crappy game, but I refuse to imagine it was bad to this extent.

Neither Warden or Hawke were "one of the most powerful people in Thedas.". The former was a Warden-Commander, which there are several of, and Hawke was at best the Viscount of Kirkwall for a year or so before running off. 

[The Ascendant]

My opinion.

1)The Warden- Hero of the Fifth Blight/Warden Commander of Ferelden. The Grey Wardens are an apolitical organisation and therefore would be acceptable third party to mediate between the Templars and Mages. Also he/she is a possible old friend/lover to Leliana adding a sense of personal motivation. 

2)Hawke- The Champion of Kirkwall and major supporter of the Templars/Mages. He/She would act as a mediator for his/her group. Cassandra also wanted to ascertain his/her involvement in the Magi-Templar War and the Kirkwall Rebellion.

3)Inquisition- Emergency contingency plan in the event the Chantry is ill equipped to handle the Magi-Templar War. The Veil being torn is recent and completely unexpected. The fact that we have someone capable of closing the Tears is either chance, luck or an act of providence. This is the main reason why we become the Inquisitor, our ability to close the Tears.

[Gervaise]

"Some people are born great, some people achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them."

 

The Warden was just some random person who through circumstances ends up a Grey Warden.   You weren't even obliged to feel happy about the idea.  There was nothing in any of the backgrounds to suggest they were worthy of note - even the noble born human and dwarf were second siblings.   Granted the city elf, the castless dwarf and the human noble show a degree of resourcefulness and resilience but really we only had Duncan's judgement to go on and let's face it, he thought Jordy would make a good warden and then kills the poor guy for having second thoughts.  (The only character who gets killed for not wanting to be a warden and he hadn't even done the joining - Alistair, Anders and Fiona just walk away)

 

Hawke was just some random refugee who had the good fortune to run into Varric and have links to nobility in Kirkwall.   The whole point of DA2 is their rising to power but they don't have to be good or moral or even that good a leader or fighter for that matter, since they have some pretty able people to back them up.  Cassandra wanted them for a specific purpose, to act as a negotiator, probably at the peace conference, so being AWOL probably saves their life.

 

Okay, so it is convenient that the only survivor has these mysterious powers but that is likely the reason they survived.   In Baldur's Gate you were the offspring of a god and as the series progressed acquired powers as a result of this.      I don't remember anyone objecting to that at the time.   I doubt you become the Inquisitor straight off.   You have to convince people you are worthy, at the same time travelling about and recruiting your team.

 

Surely the whole point of playing the game is that you don't have all the answers at the beginning, otherwise that would be rather boring.   By the end you will know why the Inquisitor got those powers and presumably confront the person or persons indirectly responsible for it.      I like having a new protagonist.    Hawkes story was done - I'd like to know what became on them but that's it.   Long live the Inquisitor!

[MisanthropePrime]

The reason the Inquisitor is chosen is because of a power they have, not any actual, trained skills. For some reason they have a glowing scar on their hand that makes it so that they're the only person that can close the fade tears. That's it. They're not necessarily qualified beyond that.

[Mr.House]

Where is evidence that Hawke was going to bet he Inquisitor that is not speculation?

[thats1evildude]

Do you really think that Bioware would have made us play a WHOLE GAME in the shoes of a character that, just after becoming one of the most powerful men in all Thedas, was ment to be recruited as a mediator, fail at his task and be replaced by someone else with no experience and no background knowledge of mages/templars matters? All of this off screen after you've played a whole game from his perspective?

Who's to say that Hawke or the Warden would have failed? They conceivably could have succeeded in stopping the war, which is why they had to "disappear."

Again, the Inquisition was the Divine's last resort, something she contemplated but didn't enact.

[Mr.House]

The only evidence I can think of is that there was a whole Awakening type of expansion planned for DA2, about an Exalted March. Then they canceled it and recycled some parts of the story, but took Hawke out. Whether that means they'd be Inquisitor, I don't know. Maybe it had nothing to do with the Inquisition.

That's speculation though, all that expac means is we're going to get one more adventure for Hawke that provided closure and built up to DAI instead of getting a bunch of books.

[Spectre slayer]

The inquisitor was not meant to be Hawke, and was always meant to be a new character. The devs have made that farily clear numerous times, well before they released what would be the last DLC and before they announced they were canceling the exhalted march expansion pack.

Mike Laidlaw

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

David Gaider

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

Correct. Neither the Warden nor Hawke will be the PC for DA3. If either of those characters appear, it will be as NPC's only. We've clearly said this several times, so I'm uncertain why it's still a question.

http://forum.bioware...ge-3/?bioware=1

Op you're making an assumption based off a lack of knowledge, there's still a lot we don't know yet and there's a lot that's going into our backgrounds which also has an effect on our origin.

The reason why we are at the peace conference is entirely dependant on what race + class you choose and each race has their own reasons why they're at the peace conference, and there's a reason why we survived the tear, also as others have said it was a plan C that was a fortunate turn but came out of an unfortunate event.

Once we walk out of the fade we have a fair amount of time before we become the inquisitor, we have our own motivations and concerns, each race has a justifiable reason why they are allowed to become the inquisitor, we will have time tp see the different factions in complete disarray, prove ourselves as a leader, and then we encounter the antagonist again and get kicked in the head by them.

All of this happens over the first few hours and is basically our origin and the prologue which also sets up our background, not everyone is happy the inquisition is back, not everyone will be onboard with it and will be very suspicious of your possible involvement, amoung numerous other things.

Hmm as for the warden and hawke, they might have more involvement then people might think and aren't likely to die in the very beginning of the game since that would make people very angry and would likely go against what bioware has planned, and Cassandra didn't forget about the warden or hawke and we may run into both of them in DAI.

[Rahelron]

On the plus side, if they abruptly end Hawke and the Warden in this kind of fashion...Then they probably won't do it again. Once was enough. Two is already overboard. But I doubt they'll destroy a third protagonist. Who does that?! Maybe this time, we'll get someone with a better sense of continuity. I find it hard to believe they'd rely on yet another disappearance after this.

 

I really hope so. Really.

 

Replacing the hero in every chapter of the story creates huge plot holes and, perhaps even worse, increases the risk of sidekicks that re-appear becoming more important than the supposed protagonist.

[Iakus]

Do you really think that Bioware would have made us play a WHOLE GAME in the shoes of a character that, just after becoming one of the most powerful men in all Thedas, was ment to be recruited as a mediator, fail at his task and be replaced by someone else with no experience and no background knowledge of mages/templars matters? All of this off screen after you've played a whole game from his perspective?

 

Yes.

 

Dragon Age was always going to be "One game, one hero"  The Warden in the first, the Champion in the second, and the Inquisitor in the third.  The next game will have a different character in a different setting on Thedas.  And so on.