481 réponses à ce sujet

[TheCreeper]

wow I was remembering the concept art wrong.

[AkiKishi]

wow I was remembering the concept art wrong.

 

Maybe you saw fan art. 

[Gtdef]

They really didn't point anything of the sort.

Spoiler

 

 

 

If you look at their faces, they're clearly similar in structure. All facial features check. Nose, upper lip, cheek, forehead, everything.

 

Well if people making that kind of judgement were blind it would explain a great deal.

 

 

With the exception of elf female that has a conventional pretty face, the rest are a bit funny looking because of the art direction. Just make a picture google search for Qunari female and you can see what people expected that she would look like. Perhaps it's my preconceptions but it does feel like some people here are in denial. Trying to convince me that the demo qunari and the concept art look the same is like trying to convince me that the earth is flat. I just can't see what you see.

 

When I look at the Qunari in the demo I see a completely different direction. And I'm not talking about ugly. I don't like how the demo qunari's face looks but that's irrelevant.  I just don't see the resemblance other than that they have horns. Build, Ear height, nose, horn design (not size), I just think they are funny or wrong according to how I thought they would be. In my opinion in the concept art she looks like a hunter, agile, elegant. The demo qunari looks nothing like these.

[Chewin]

When I look at the Qunari in the demo I see a completely different direction. And I'm not talking about ugly. I don't like how the demo qunari's face looks but that's irrelevant.  I just don't see the resemblance other than that they have horns. Build, Ear height, nose, horn design (not size), I just think they are funny or wrong according to how I thought they would be. In my opinion in the concept art she looks like a hunter, agile, elegant. The demo qunari looks nothing like these.

And in my opinion, she looks exactly like a Qunari, everything from nose to the horns. Subjectivity is great.

[Eveangaline]

And in my opinion, she looks exactly like a Qunari, everything from nose to the horns. Subjectivity is great.

Yep. To me "funny and wrong" would be if she looked so different from the males you have trouble believing they're the same species. I'm glad that's not the case.

[TheCreeper]

With the exception of elf female that has a conventional pretty face, the rest are a bit funny looking because of the art direction. Just make a picture google search for Qunari female and you can see what people expected that she would look like. Perhaps it's my preconceptions but it does feel like some people here are in denial. Trying to convince me that the demo qunari and the concept art look the same is like trying to convince me that the earth is flat. I just can't see what you see.

 

When I look at the Qunari in the demo I see a completely different direction. And I'm not talking about ugly. I don't like how the demo qunari's face looks but that's irrelevant.  I just don't see the resemblance other than that they have horns. Build, Ear height, nose, horn design (not size), I just think they are funny or wrong according to how I thought they would be. In my opinion in the concept art she looks like a hunter, agile, elegant. The demo qunari looks nothing like these.

That's because she's a Qunari, Qunari are not Agile hunters, Qunari are Ox-men.

[Aremce]

This discussion ... I don't fully get it. It's already perfectly clear that not all qunari ladies (or any other race-gender combination) will look the same. Are you people afraid the cc won't allow you to create more "attractive by human standards" faces? I'm very sure that will be possible. It's nobody else's business if someone wants that. However, to be honest, I do find it more than a bit childish to complain about one particular inquisitor (= the player, the character you'll create yourself) not looking as sexy as expected.

 

I personally think it was a good move by Bioware to show off a strong looking, bad-ass character like this first, anyway. There are enough games filled with oversexed females already. In Dragon Age there's enough eye-candy, too - so it shouldn't hurt anyone if some characters* have other priorities ...

 

And yeah ... in my eyes this inquisitor certainly does look qunari.

 

 

* edit: and especially other's player characters

[nikkylee]

I've been lurking, but reading this thread off and on is making my head spin a little, and the "mannish" comments like the twitter post are irritating me.

 

I don't care if people think she's ugly. I don't mind if they prefer she was more "draenei" or dressed in tighter clothes or whatever because honestly what does it matter to me if someone finds more cutesy looks appealing? As long as I am also able to create a woman that is NOT, and that NPC females in the game are not there purely to be sexy. That being said "mannish" bothers the heck out of me. Whatever you like to pretend it means, the word means "like a man". She is female. The mere fact that these are characteristics she possesses means they are NOT mannish.

 

Yes, she's a game character. The term though speaks for a larger issue that certain features are "manly" and that women who have them... square jaws, more/darker body hair, flatter chests, broader shoulders... are less womanly. Certainly the same could be said for men called "feminine", but I would argue that while feminine males (anime, JRPGS, etc) are generally considered attractive by women and not often (in my experience only of course) disparaged by men purely for appearance (Sephiroth comes to mind), 'manly' women are often treated as though this is a personal failing, or a character fault. You don't have to find something attractive, but it's possible to say that without also saying that this character/person is less of a woman because of your opinion on beauty.   

 

TLDR: I'm super excited for the game, love finally seeing female qunari in-game, and please stop using "mannish".

[Hillbillyhat]

That's because she's a Qunari, Qunari are not Agile hunters, Qunari are Ox-men.

 

Its hard to break out of that idea that any female version of other fantasy races need to be elf lite in some way huh? She's close enough to the concept art that I can honestly get behind this.

[Gtdef]

Fine, I'm not asking for it to change. I just got a different impression.

 

Yep. To me "funny and wrong" would be if she looked so different from the males you have trouble believing they're the same species. I'm glad that's not the case.

 

And the species thing again. Care to compare the skin around horns, ear height, skin thickness, distance from the tip of nose to the chin of Iron Bull and Demo Qunari? Seems to you like the same species? To me it seems like a buff human with elven ears or a qunari human hybrid with wrong ear height. If anything I think she is not Qunari enough.

 

On the other hand this is pointless. There is always an argument that makes sense. Like you could answer to me that if we compare her to DA2 qunari she looks totally perfect, and then I answer that DA2 qunari use a different engine with less capabilities and blablablabla.

 

Point is, I don't like her not for what she looks like, but for how she is designed. I expected something else. End of story. If you people don't like to hear different opinions and are ready to label them all "shallow pig guys that want supermodels with human standards and horns" then I can just troll so I can at least have some fun.

[Gannayev of Dreams]

I feel like this thread is on infinite loop. The same points and counterpoints are being stated as if they're new every few pages. Having read it all, for the record, I see way more people defending and appreciating the "femqunsitor" than not. It mostly goes... 1 person says they don't like her, too mannish, not pretty, whatever... 10 people jump on that person making the same points about no objective standard of beauty, and how you can change her looks, etc.

 

Rinse and repeat.

[AkiKishi]

I feel like this thread is on infinite loop. The same points and counterpoints are being stated as if they're new every few pages. Having read it all, for the record, I see way more people defending and appreciating the "femqunsitor" than not. It mostly goes... 1 person says they don't like her, too mannish, not pretty, whatever... 10 people jump on that person making the same points about no objective standard of beauty, and how you can change her looks, etc.

 

Rinse and repeat.

 

Pretty much. Because whatever your thoughts, its not a defined NPC so you won't be stuck with that look.

[TheCreeper]

Its hard to break out of that idea that any female version of other fantasy races need to be elf lite in some way huh? She's close enough to the concept art that I can honestly get behind this.

Hi Hillbilly, the heck are you doing here?

 

Anyways yeah the Concept Art looked a lot closer to the Qunari we saw in the Demo then I remember.

[Hillbillyhat]

Hi Hillbilly, the heck are you doing here?

 

Anyways yeah the Concept Art looked a lot closer to the Qunari we saw in the Demo then I remember.

 

Getting my daily dose of suffering and I couldn't resist coming back to BSN.

 

I like the horns on the Demo version better. They do appear to be more sloped backwards than Iron bull's but they still look large and intimidating. Now all we need is Vivienne to set them on fire and we have a new melee attack.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

They really didn't point anything of the sort.

 

 

If you look at their faces, they're clearly similar in structure. All facial features check. Nose, upper lip, cheek, forehead, everything.

 

Well if people making that kind of judgement were blind it would explain a great deal.

 

Dude, their foreheads are incredibly different. One has horns merging into the forehead, like the Qunari male, the other has horns that look like they're been glued on as afterthoughts.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Until BioWare gives us a reason to believe that qunari breasts are something other than fat deposits, I'm sticking with my adipose tissue theory. If you have evidence that qunari breasts are made of chocolate or magic or are bags of wriggling puppy dogs, I'd be glad to hear about it.

While I'm at it, David has said that elven genes are adaptive. That's not a fantasy explanation, that's a science fiction one.

Basically, Dragon Age Elves are like inverse Asari- instead of breeding with anything and having an Asari baby, they have one of the other parents' race.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Also how would you stop the sexy woman from passing her genes to her son and the buff dude from passing his buffness to daughters? Sex selective breeding would be a ****** nightmare to accomplish.

That argument is invalid- we have species on Earth that have differences in the Male/ female appearances/ roles. If the extra muscle mass in males if carried on the Y chromosome, then the females wouldn't inherit that. Look at peacocks, lions, ants, and any number of other examples. Animals don't always have mirroring across genders.

[Maraas]

Dude, their foreheads are incredibly different. One has horns merging into the forehead, like the Qunari male, the other has horns that look like they're been glued on as afterthoughts.

Nah, that's just a lock of hair in the way.

[Nefla]

Not every information gathering is done via threatening to rip someone's arms from his/her body. And who says every information gathering is solely interested in any vaunted super secrets? Say a good looking Qunari just strolls up and asks for directions around the city, whom would you be more accomodating, a good looking one, or one you'd rather not be seen with because people will gossig how he met a cow woman (that actually had horns like a cow)?

 

Also, Qunari being extremely simple and straightforward ... are we talking about the same Qunari? The ones I know have vast spy secret networks and agents that will lie, hide and assassinate whenever they feel it necessary.

 

The simple, straightforward behaviour image has been solely cultivated by the Qunari soldiers. And soldiers tend to be straightforward by habit.

The vast majority of Qunari have nothing to do with any spy networks and the ones who do would be better suited to having intelligence, problem solving skills, etc...than good looks and would be more effectively chosen from converts of other races so they could blend in (like Tallis) Every Qunari we've met has been very black or white, wrong or right. You talked to a mage? You have to die because of the possibility of corruption. You want to end the blight? Go kill the Archdemon yourself and don't waste time with political maneuvering and gathering armies, etc...

 

Someone asking for directions around a city is soooo not the same thing as someone prying your secrets. If someone asked me for directions around the city their appearance wouldn't matter I would just tell them. Are you seriously telling me that if some wrinkled little old lady came up to you and asked "excuse me young man, do you know if the library is nearby?" you'd be like "get away from me you hideous cow! I don't want to be seen with you!"

 

I get it, you want the game to be filled with a bunch of sexy babes with implants but some of us actually want a realistic female fighter for a change. Don't worry the humans and elves will still be sexy and I'm sure you can dress them in some kind of midriff baring boob cup armor.

[Nefla]

Right ... how about you take your unfounded prejudice against my person and stick it someplace private.

 

 

Or even better, just skip all that entirely and argue with me like a civilized person would, without trying to paint me like a stereotypical machoman who thinks women belong to the kitchen making me sandwiches or something on that scale.

 

 

I have done nothing to earn this kind of mistreatment.

 

 

As for your hilariously out of context handpicked interpretation of my example, add to that picture the fact that said wrinkled old lady would have been part of a culture that has been actively waging war for centuries and only recently graduated to fickle peace and lingering animousity and that anyone who she'd meet would be naturally suspect of said person not asking for the library, but say where the city's treasury might be located and NOW you have an adequate approximation of my example.

Right...how about you actually read the posts you write? You portray yourself as a stereotypical misogynist. Things like "whom would you be more accomodating, a good looking one, or one you'd rather not be seen with because people will gossig how he met a cow woman (that actually had horns like a cow)?" what other way can that be interpreted? You don't want to be seen with a "cow woman?" (guess what, the pretty ones also have horns like a cow) If the wrinkled old lady or the "cow woman" was from a people that everyone mistrusted, then their looks would have nothing to do with how you react to them. You would ignore them and hurry on your way, attractive or not. If someone asked something suspicious (and your example of 1: being shown around town or 2: asking where the treasury is located are not suspicious to me) such as "are there any ways to sneak into the palace through the sewers?" you would not cooperate and would alert the guards no matter if the offender was attractive or not (well a normal person would).

 

A good spy is one who doesn't stand out. One passers by can't remember, not a sexy, attention grabbing, unique person. A sexy female Qunari dressed in a stunning dress at a ball will be remembered and suspicious activity will be amplified by all the eyes on her. A plain looking elven viddithari posing as a servant will not be remembered at all and can get in, get out, and be done with the job before anyone notices. The sexy Qunari lady can pull off a job like that once and then never again because she stands out too much and everyone will remember her.

[KBomb]

The vast majority of Qunari have nothing to do with any spy networks and the ones who do would be better suited to having intelligence, problem solving skills, etc...than good looks and would be more effectively chosen from converts of other races so they could blend in (like Tallis) Every Qunari we've met has been very black or white, wrong or right. You talked to a mage? You have to die because of the possibility of corruption. You want to end the blight? Go kill the Archdemon yourself and don't waste time with political maneuvering and gathering armies, etc...

 

Someone asking for directions around a city is soooo not the same thing as someone prying your secrets. If someone asked me for directions around the city their appearance wouldn't matter I would just tell them. Are you seriously telling me that if some wrinkled little old lady came up to you and asked "excuse me young man, do you know if the library is nearby?" you'd be like "get away from me you hideous cow! I don't want to be seen with you!"

 

I get it, you want the game to be filled with a bunch of sexy babes with implants but some of us actually want a realistic female fighter for a change. Don't worry the humans and elves will still be sexy and I'm sure you can dress them in some kind of midriff baring boob cup armor.

Ignoring the fact that this statement is incendiary and narrow minded in view--why can't a realistic female fighter be sexy? I mean, what standards are you basing your realistic view of a "female fighter"? I am not saying that it isn't a good thing to have women of various sizes and looks in a video game, indeed, I think it's a wonderful edition.

 

I just find it a bit hypocritical to dismiss one's view of the "standard concept of beauty" and replace it with "a standard concept of a female fighter". Basically, you have different views of what a female fighter is, or should be and he has another. Why is yours any better than his? 

[Gtdef]

Right...how about you actually read the posts you write? You portray yourself as a stereotypical misogynist. Things like "whom would you be more accomodating, a good looking one, or one you'd rather not be seen with because people will gossig how he met a cow woman (that actually had horns like a cow)?" what other way can that be interpreted?

 

 

 

You do understand though that this is typical behavior right? Go on, call everyone a misogynist. Make a petition for the world to become fair.

 

 

 

 

 

A good spy is one who doesn't stand out. One passers by can't remember, not a sexy, attention grabbing, unique person. A sexy female Qunari dressed in a stunning dress at a ball will be remembered and suspicious activity will be amplified by all the eyes on her. A plain looking elven viddithari posing as a servant will not be remembered at all and can get in, get out, and be done with the job before anyone notices. The sexy Qunari lady can pull off a job like that once and then never again because she stands out too much and everyone will remember her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if the spy needs to socialize and seduce, gets points for being the toilet cleaner.

 

PS. Holy **** quoting is buggy as hell.

[Nefla]

Ignoring the fact that this statement is incendiary and narrow minded in view--why can't a realistic female fighter be sexy? I mean, what standards are you basing your realistic view of a "female fighter"? I am not saying that it isn't a good thing to have women of various sizes and looks in a video game, indeed, I think it's a wonderful edition.

 

I just find it a bit hypocritical to dismiss one's view of the "standard concept of beauty" and replace it with "a standard concept of a female fighter". Basically, you have different views of what a female fighter is, or should be and he has another. Why is yours any better than his? 

Female characters we've had in the past have had no muscle tone, stick thin arms, and looked like lingerie models (which requires sizeable amounts of fat on the breast, hips, and butt) this would be ok for a mage, maybe passable for an archer, but definitely not believable for a warrior who wears heavy armor and can lift a two handed sword the size of a surfboard or an acrobatic double dagger rogue. Show me any kind of female athlete that looks like DA2 Hawke. It would also be fine if the stylistic choice carried over onto male characters and they were all skinny with no muscle tone as well.

[Nefla]

You do understand though that this is typical behavior right? Go on, call everyone a misogynist. Make a petition for the world to become fair.

 

 

So if the spy needs to socialize and seduce, gets points for being the toilet cleaner.

 

PS. Holy **** quoting is buggy as hell.

I'm not calling everyone a misogynist, just those who make misogynistic statements. Even if the spy had to seduce,(and I hate the trope of "men fight, women seduce") you would want to use a human or elf viddithari (just not posed as a servant) who could still be sexy but not stand out to the extreme. Iron Bull is a spy and is posed as a mercenary, why aren't you guys arguing that he should be more attractive because no one will tell him anything or say or do anything around him because he's not a hot babe?