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[AltanIV]

No I mean it was Riordan's idea to spare Loghain. He didn't seem too upset about what Loghain had done...including having him tortured...

 

Not being upset about something and agreeing with it are two different things. Because Riordan wasn't upset with whatever Loghain did doesn't actually mean that he agrees with him, at least concerning the Wardens. Also I seem to remember that, on one of my playthrough, my warden first asked if there was anyway to make him a warden instead of just executing him, I could be wrong though : it was a few years ago.

[bairdduvessa]

the concept art for him had him ripping off his grey warden medallion as a fellow warden was about to be executed.  maybe that is do to a potential loghain plot?

[Clockwork_Wings]

the concept art for him had him ripping off his grey warden medallion as a fellow warden was about to be executed.  maybe that is do to a potential loghain plot?

We do attack them at some point for some reason.  Maybe his loyalty mission?

[bairdduvessa]

We do attack them at some point for some reason.  Maybe his loyalty mission?

or maybe he quit because of what we discovered.  maybe the wardens have been taken over by the dude from legacy

[Clockwork_Wings]

Completely okay with dealing with that turn of events.

[Chewin]

While I'm hoping for Loghain to make an appearance in DA:I, having Blackwall potentialy giving some information regarding Loghain's whereabouts and possible actions / deeds he has has with the Wardens could be interesting.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Well... Alistair is set to appear in the game. So I would imagine Loghain can get an appearance aswell. There are at least one scenario where the two are interchangable.

[The Night Haunter]

OT: Loghain NEEDS a cameo. I want to see him chilling in a tavern drinking some ale and laughing at the political strife of Orlais. Then wishing then Inquisitor the best of luck as he leaves to hunt down and kill more Darkspawn.

That would be a great cameo, much better than any of the DA2 cameos for sure.

[Former_Fiend]

We come upon a burning Orlesian city. We make our way to the tavern to find Loghain and Oghren enjoying a pint before they join the fray.

 

If that scene is in the game, it will have been worth it.

[AresKeith]

We come upon a burning Orlesian city. We make our way to the tavern to find Loghain and Oghren enjoying a pint before they join the fray.

 

If that scene is in the game, it will have been worth it.

 

Why would Oghren be in Orlais?

[Former_Fiend]

Why would Oghren be in Orlais?

 

Temporary reassignment at Loghain's request to help shape up a bunch of sorry recruits.

[TEWR]

I can understand Blackwall's reasoning against Loghain. Loghain's reasoning for keeping Fereldan troops out was sound, if a bit screwy, but it's not like he did it for shits and giggles. He wanted to show that Ferelden could stand on its own, that it could rally itself together after Cailan basically killed himself and not fall to petty infighting and a civil war which would weaken them (as that was the precedent Orlais used for conquering nations in the past. "Saving" them and never leaving).

 

Ironically, his strong opposition and ******-poor political knowledge antagonized the Bannorn, causing people like Teagan to refuse to ally with him against an invasion and put honor before reason, with the Bannorn striking the first blow.

 

And from his point of view, the Wardens were responsible for killing the king. Not through a direct act of sticking a blade in his gut, but by duplicity and manipulating the man's love of the Wardens into goading him to bank on Wardens alone being enough. Couple that with other failings at Ostagar and it seemed like the Wardens had returned to being Orlesian agents, willing to sacrifice Loghain and Cailan if it meant Orlais could come in and save the day with their martial might.

 

And to be honest, when you have a bastard Theirin in your grasp who was raised by an Orlesian (Isolde) and a traditionalist (Eamon) then things would look pretty suspect. I'd think Alistair was being used as a puppet myself to satisfy nationalist/traditionalist interests while at the same time allowing Orlais to call the shots, particularly if it meant the dethroning -- and as such things go, execution -- of the person who has been the brains behind the nation since Maric's death (Anora).

 

Was he right? Yes and no. Orlais did have designs on Ferelden, it seems, but the Wardens weren't a part of it. But I can see how Blackwall would have problems with it all.

 

Though I do wish Bioware didn't adhere religiously to this "Loghain was a BAD BAD MAN" mentality, even with the whole "history is written by the victors" truth.

 

Simon Templeman will always be Kain to me.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=CRZMxCkBv_4

 

To me he'll always be Kain as well and Judge Magister Zargabaath.

 

(course he also voiced a senator in the same game as Zargabaath (FFXII)).

[Nefla]

Hm...I don't think I have a playthrough where Loghain is alive. He's either killed in the duel or dies in the epilogue after my warden did the US and Loghain is a warden (and gets his calling).

[Former_Fiend]

Hm...I don't think I have a playthrough where Loghain is alive. He's either killed in the duel or dies in the epilogue after my warden did the US and Loghain is a warden (and gets his calling).

 

There was also an epilogue that said Anders returned to the wardens after leaving for two months, and one that said the spirit of Justice continued serving faithfully in Kristoff's body for decades.

 

An epilogue where Loghain dies gives them an excuse not to bring him back if they can't include him for whatever reason(can't get his VA scheduled, can't fit him into the story, whatever). It is not an iron clad contract that prevents them from using Loghain again if they so choose. 

[Chronoreaper]

Really do hope Loghain does turn up due to he was assigned to Orlais halfway through the events of DA:A and with whats happened doubt anyone who is alive and able isnt gonna be involved in some way, another thing is they are looking for the Hero of Fereldan and Hawke and Loghain had alot of involvement with the Warden during DA:O in both the bad and later the good and judging by how his attitude changes after origins its safe to say him and the warden became more friendly during the time between DA:O and DA:A.

 

Just personally i would like to see Loghain active during DA:I despite the dick he was he just has that i gotta see him alive feeling.

[Askanison666]

My Loghain always dies no matter what lol

Even when he became a Grey Warden it said he wondered into the deep roads on his calling.

 

I think I only had Loghain survive once to see what it would be like, but lost Alistair. I was pretty chapped so didn't do it again.

[nightcobra]

I think I only had Loghain survive once to see what it would be like, but lost Alistair. I was pretty chapped so didn't do it again.

 

He seemed he got over it in Awakenings.

 

Besides, leaving loghain alive allowed me to give him a fate worse than death.

 

made him a grey warden, so 30 or so years and he's dead

married his daughter to the brother of the man he abandoned who happens to be a grey warden

took his title and lands

made him go to orlais

 

 

 

yup...a job well done, you see alistair?! This is how you get revenge.

[nightcobra]

But it's also how a man can find redemption. The only other fate I can picture for Loghain besides the Wardens is as an Ash Warrior. He acknowledges that he has a lot to make up for. Takes someone with real character to do that and mean it.

 

I'm always willing to give anyone a chance.

[Nefla]

There was also an epilogue that said Anders returned to the wardens after leaving for two months, and one that said the spirit of Justice continued serving faithfully in Kristoff's body for decades.

 

An epilogue where Loghain dies gives them an excuse not to bring him back if they can't include him for whatever reason(can't get his VA scheduled, can't fit him into the story, whatever). It is not an iron clad contract that prevents them from using Loghain again if they so choose. 

I hope they don't Anders/Leliana/Oghren us again :/

[Nefla]

Epilogues have never been hard canon. They're 'rumors'. Some of them true; others are not. Loghain obviously doesn't go on the Long Walk since he has a cameo in Awakening a year after Origins and was transferred to the Warden Chapter in Montsimmard.

I'm fine with that, since the epilogue says he eventually dies but doesn't say when. My problem is if they bring him back after I kill him. There's no magical ashes this time.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't want to impose Loghain on any playthrough where he was either executed or performed the ultimate sacrifice. If he died that way, he died.

 

I'm just saying that for those of us who spared him both times around, then regardless of what any epilogue says, I'd like to see him come back.