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[mikeymoonshine]

My bad, threads like this sometimes make me irritated.

 

 

True, but  when you were talking about 'how could they not be offended' it just made me roll my eyes. Not everyone is going to agree with someone else's opinions,beliefs,views, sexualities, and morals. Someone offends you? Oh well tough cookies move on, because life is like that. 

 

Look, I don't care what people do with their game. That person basically said "I don't like this character because they are gay" that's going to offend people and you can't expect people not to react to that. The person I was responding to was acting like people were saying "you don't have the right to do what you like with your game" when they weren't they were just reacting to the expression of homophobic views. 

 

Also someone not agreeing with my sexuality can cause problems for me and my life and it does. I don't know if you have ever experienced something similar but the only way to stop this is to challenge people's views and not to just move on, we can't move on. I don't think this is really the place for it but I just don't see why you would go out of your way to upset other people either. 

 

Why is it fine for someone to express dislike towards gay people but it's not fine for others to complain about that? 

[Wissenschaft]

 

Why is it fine for someone to express dislike towards gay people but it's not fine for others to complain about that? 

 

Yes, because if no one complained about it then the homophoic post would be buried and forgotten already because no one else here except one person made a comment that could be considered homophoic.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Except when I replay it and roll as a straight male.

True; if you're interested in her as a straight male, well, you won't be able to get with her in that situation. Think of them as fully formed people instead of in game sex prizes, and it's easier to be okay with.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah it was. But you kind of have to expect overreaction on the BSN.

 

If Pink Diamondsti doesn't want to have a Character in her party, for whatever reason, that is her choice and her right to do so. Likewise if others don't want a character in their party, for whatever reason, then thats their choice and right.

 

Grow up BSN.

 

It's never really a question of rights, because it's not like anyone here has the power to stop anyone else from doing anything in their game anyway. 

 

Everyone has the right to express their opinions, just like everyone else has the right to express how shitty that opinion may be. If people don't like negative feedback, maybe they should just keep some of their thoughts to themselves.

[Iakus]

Well, if it's true, then I'm cool with it.

 

She strikes me as an interesting character.  If my male Inquisitor can't romance her, then there's always Cassandra.  Or Scribbles.

 

There's other options.

 

But as I said, she strikes me as a cool character.  One that I'll like in any case.

[Jagged Orchid]

Why though? If the said not homosexual arc is extremely good and yet you are choosing to forgo it just because it isn't homosexual, why does another not get to not take a party member because the character is not heterosexual. That was how this whole argument started anyways.

Not grouping with someone because of their sexuality, and actively participating in a romance are two different things. If someone tells me I don't want to romance X because they are male/female that is one thing. If they same person says, I will no longer talk to or have anything to do with that person because they are attracted to the same gender that is something else entirely. 

 

Also, just to be clear, that goes both ways. If a lesbian told me that hated another woman because she was straight, I would still have an issue with it. Nobody is getting upset because you don't share the same sexuality as them. It's when you discredit someone because of their sexuality that is the problem. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Yes, because if no one complained about it then the homophoic post would be buried and forgotten already because no one else here except one person made a comment that could be considered homophoic.

 

Well that's not what happened and I already explained why that's not what happened. Some things are not so easy to ignore for some people. 

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

So, as a non American and non-cable watcher, can someone tell me what the heck Syfy's Heroes of Cosplay is?

Cosplay TV show- adults dressing up as videogame, movie, and comic book characters.

[azrael_1289]

Not grouping with someone because of their sexuality, and actively participating in a romance are two different things. If someone tells me I don't want to romance X because they are male/female that is one thing. If they same person says, I will no longer talk to or have anything to do with that person because they are attracted to the same gender that is something else entirely. 

 

Also, just to be clear, that goes both ways. If a lesbian told me that hated another woman because she was straight, I would still have an issue with it. Nobody is getting upset because you don't share the same sexuality as them. It's when you discredit someone because of their sexuality that is the problem. 

That's true. 

[Paraxial]

I don't opt out of games entirely. I've played many games where I was a male character. I've even enjoyed them. I've played many games where I was a straight female character and loved them. 

you said that you do:

I generally don't play RPG's that don't allow me to create a female character. There have been a couple smaller RPG's in the past that I have been on the fence about and opted out of because while they did have romance options, they excluded s/s options.

 

 

while i'm not implying that you do this with every game, this is very clearly you stating that you do exactly what you're denying. pot calling the kettle black. my point is that almost everybody does this at one point or another, but if you do it with homosexuals it's not okay on these boards. i'm not defending that poster at all, but i am pushing the idea that this board thrives on a double standard.

[jlb524]

Why though? If the said not homosexual arc is extremely good and yet you are choosing to forgo it just because it isn't homosexual, why does another not get to not take a party member because the character is not heterosexual. That was how this whole argument started anyways.

 

The first statement says "I want more games with homosexual options and to be represented so I will only play those."  It's neutral towards straight people/romances.

 

The second says, "I don't like straight people in my game."  This is negative towards straight people.

[tmp7704]

So, people don't agree with my sexuality either, and they cause problems for me too. But what is the point of causing unesccary conflict over it?What will someone throwing insults at someone who disagrees with their sexuality, accomplish? Absolutely nothing.

Without the conflict people who cause problems maintain impression that causing problems is perfectly fine and accepted. They won't learn otherwise, if no one ever tells them "no, that's not OK. Cut that ****."

In that sense such "conflict" is anything but "unnecessary".

[Nimlowyn]

Aside from Varric, Sera is the character I am most excited to meet. I love her populism, I love her sense of justice, I love her fire; she can be a part of this straight female Inquisitor's party anytime. 

[cindercatz]

Ahh, ok. I will go pray hope that Scribbles is a straight female. I don't like the short hair of Cassandra and Vivienne doesn't appeal to me at all.

 

I will be crushed if Scribbles is not a LI for male inquisitor.

Cass is too severe, and Viv sounds like a status chaser, so Scribbles is kinda the last hope as far as archetypes I'd have any attraction to.

 

Scribbles, my hope lies with you. May your name reveal get its own trailor spot.

[Wissenschaft]

That's true. 

 

Partly true. Sera is not a real person. So no one is under obligation to treat her fairly.

[mikeymoonshine]

So, people don't agree with my sexuality either, and they cause problems for me too. But what is the point of causing unesccary conflict over it?What will someone throwing insults at someone who disagrees with their sexuality, accomplish? Absolutely nothing. 

 

Well I wouldn't say the conflict is always unnecessary but again all I was really addressing was why people responded and why it's understandable for them to. 

[KaiserShep]

Anyways, my Inquisitor was gonna be female anyway, and Sera seems like an intriguing character. I'm a little surprised that BioWare broke tradition with the bi elves. This kind of worries me, because breaking tradition could also mean the end of Sandal's ENCHANTED dead enemies. Please don't!

[azrael_1289]

The first statement says "I want more games with homosexual options and to be represented so I will only play those."  It's neutral towards straight people/romances.

 

The second says, "I don't like straight people in my game."  This is negative towards straight people.

That's one way of looking at it. Other way is that the first says "I hate heterosexual options and don't want to play anything with it". I know that it's not the case and my point is assumptions like this shouldn't be made in either directions.

[azrael_1289]

Partly true. Sera is not a real person. So no one is under obligation to treat her fairly.

Well, people really aren't under obligation to treat her fairly even if Sera was a real person. It's just expectation of being treated fairly in both cases.

[Jagged Orchid]

you said that you do:

 

 

while i'm not implying that you do this with every game, this is very clearly you stating that you do exactly what you're denying. pot calling the kettle black. my point is that almost everybody does this at one point or another, but if you do it with homosexuals it's not okay on these boards. i'm not defending that poster at all, but i am pushing the idea that this board thrives on a double standard.

 

No, you are misunderstanding me. If given a choice, I am going to go with what I enjoy. And if there is a game that I am on the fence about, Gender and sexuality are sometimes a factor.

 

Going back to something I just posted. These is a difference between wanting to play a specific gender or sexuality vs hating on them. If given the option I will ALWAYS play a female lesbian. I have nothing against ANYONE who wants to play something other than that. MY issues is when you hate on a character or another player because they play something different. Or if that character is gay or straight and you don't like them because of that.

 

If you want to play a straight male, go for it. I totally support you. I'm all for it. However, if you are hating on some companion for no other reason than they are gay or they are straight or whatever, that is when it becomes an issue.  Maybe I wasn't doing a good job of explaining myself, but there you have it. Hopefully it's more clear.

 

Also, just to stay on topic for once... Since apparently I'm having issues with that tonight. I'm really looking forward to learning more about Sera and how she  impacts the inquisitor as a possible romance option.