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[Kabooooom]

As the title states. Who created Legion and for what purpose was he created for? I know he can house more geth programs than any other geth but how come there aren't any other geth like Legion?

Because, he was specifically created to operate in organic space - off the network. That's why he has enough geth programs to obtain sapience on his own (not sentience, personal pet peeve - I can't stand it when people use those words interchangeably), without connecting to the consensus.

He also tells you this about five times during the game.

[TurianRebel212]

As the title states. Who created Legion and for what purpose was he created for? I know he can house more geth programs than any other geth but how come there aren't any other geth like Legion?

 

Legion is a Geth Shock Trooper and very good shot with a sniper rifle. He is one of the potential squadmates in ME2. 

 

Legions primary purpose was to locate Shepard. To locate the one who vanquished The Geth heretic and their Reaper overlord- Sovereign. 

 

Because Shepard did the above. He is regaurded by Legion and the Geth to have "supperior Code". 

 

The Geth and Legion are interested in Shepard. 

 

Shepard is unique and special. 

 

 

 

EVERYONE of any consequence and power in the MEU universe is interested in Shepard. 

 

Here's just a few-

 

SPECTREs

Collectors

Reapers

Harbinger

Leviathan.

Shadow Broker

Cerberus and TIM

Aria 

 

 

 

Shepard is very, very interesting to these people and groups. 

 

 

 

I wonder why????

[dreamgazer]

Why? Because vidya gaems.

[TurianRebel212]

OP, here this what Legion is doing and his origins and the Geth's stance about the Reapers-

 

 

 

 

Here is Legion about his purpose and journey to find Shepard-

 

[Kabooooom]

I played all the ME. Either I just cant recall it or overlooked something but no where in these games shows us Legion's origin, who created him, & for what purpose? An why only legion an no other geth or why not create more geth like legion? An don't tell me "no data available."

I'm not going to watch those videos that were just posted for you, but he literally explains ALL of these questions in the game and those explanations are *probably* in those videos.

I know, because I've always found him and the Geth fascinating and so I talk to him in entirety each time I play through ME2. The last time of which was a few weeks ago.

Too long/didnt watch: The Geth created him, he IS the Geth (the Geth do not perceive themselves as individuals) so in a sense he created himself, and his purpose was to operate off the Geth consensus to track down Shepard/uncover information about his disappearance and the Reaper interest in him.

That's why no other Geth are like him, as I said. Geth obtain sapience via networking with each other. Legion had to operate off the network, therefore he contains a network of around 1,100 Geth software "minds" within himself. This allows him to achieve sapience as an independent unit.

[TurianRebel212]

I played all the ME. Either I just cant recall it or overlooked something but no where in these games shows us Legion's origin, who created him, & for what purpose? An why only legion an no other geth or why not create more geth like legion? An don't tell me "no data available."

 

He's Hardware is Geth. The Geth made him. Software's purpose is to find Shepard. The geths intentions are to monitor organic communication. Legion is a part of that. But primary his job is to find Shepard. And he did. Mission successful. 

 

 

Legion is awesome. 

[Kabooooom]

He's definitely the most interesting character in the game to me. Or at least he was before ME3.

[BronzTrooper]

I played all the ME. Either I just cant recall it or overlooked something but no where in these games shows us Legion's origin, who created him, & for what purpose? An why only legion an no other geth or why not create more geth like legion? An don't tell me "no data available."

 

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Legion's platform was created for one purpose: Operate in organic space alone and find Shepard.  The geth viewed one such platform as being enough for the assigned task.  The geth themselves are software, not the bodies you see them in.  The Heretic Station in Legion's loyalty mission in ME2 houses millions, if not billions, of geth programs in its servers.  If the geth wanted to spy on organics, they'd just connect to the extranet and go through there.  The geth don't need to make another copy of Legion's platform.  There's no reason for it.

 

The geth have no interest in organics, so they seclude themselves.  They know that any geth platform sent into organic space will likely be attacked and possibly destroyed upon discovery, so only Legion's platform was built and sent to find Shepard.

[shodiswe]

I think it was mentioned that Legion used fake identities..... I wonder if the identities were Asari? Because the C-sec people seems to go crazy and accuse all Asari of being possible Geth spies. LOL

[Excella Gionne]

Legion is a complex model of the Geth that was made specifically to seek Shepard out, but because Shepard died and Cerberus got his/her body first, Legion instead, took Shepard's remaining N7 armor to patch himself up.

Legion's platform is meant to be independent and be able to work by itself without needing to connect to the Geth's consensus. He is much more intelligent than an independent geth working by itself, because of his installed programs. He houses more programs on him than a regular geth.

[dgcatanisiri]

Legion is geth. A gestalt intelligence of over a thousand separate geth programs operating in a single hardware shell. There is no individual operating by the name 'Legion,' merely a name that the geth had acknowledged for a single platform. The geth needed an operational platform, capable of independent intelligence away from the rest of the geth network, to investigate Shepard-Commander, the organic who enabled the defeat of one of the Old Machines, despite the odds having been in the favor of the Reapers. A single platform was designated sufficient for the task - a lone unit draws less attention than an entire platoon. As the geth are a network intelligence, smarter in the presence of other geth programs, the platform needed to have the ability to run thousands of programs in a single unit, as opposed to the one or two that platforms typically house. Hence Legion's unique design.

[SwobyJ]

As the title states. Who created Legion and for what purpose was he created for? I know he can house more geth programs than any other geth but how come there aren't any other geth like Legion?

 

-He was created by a decision made by the Geth Consensus.

 

-He is a pretty standard Geth platform model. Got shot by defenders on Eden Prime while following Shepard's path. Patched the hole with parts of Shepard's old armor, and I think Liara got the other part of it.

 

-The Geth experienced a separation from what they call the 'Heretics', who were persuaded enough by Sovereign to leave the Consensus. They made Legion as part of an experiment to understand organics better, and the symbol of 'organic superior code', Shepard.

 

-There are not other Geth platforms like Legion because until this point, any platform was disposable. Putting too many programs in a platform probably would have been viewed as inefficient, as those platforms likely have to 'learn' to work together in networking and optimizing their processes.

Basically, the Geth live in server hubs and only be a 'Geth' (platform) when they have to. The tech is usually to reflect that, but Legion was a special case. A special case that can end up being their salvation, in a sense.

 

-Legion seems to be meant to symbolize the synthetic reaching out to the organic, as Shepard is the organic reaching out to the synthetic (especially when Paragon, but more literally established when cyborgface-Renegade). Though Shepard's journey we may understand the synthetic enough to seek to understand it, and through Legion's journey (if we choose to encourage it) we may see it understand the organic enough to seek a connection between all Geth and Quarians.

 

Or we can just send the random platform found on the Derelict Reaper (without EDI giving it a name) to Cerberus, face the more bitchy GethVI in ME3 (this being the default ME3 file status as well), and shoot it in the head over and over until it stops trying to talk and do its dangerous and deceptive clicky clacky beep boop things.

[TurianRebel212]

-He was created by a decision made by the Geth Consensus.

 

-He is a pretty standard Geth platform model. Got shot by defenders on Eden Prime while following Shepard's path. Patched the hole with parts of Shepard's old armor, and I think Liara got the other part of it.

 

-The Geth experienced a separation from what they call the 'Heretics', who were persuaded enough by Sovereign to leave the Consensus. They made Legion as part of an experiment to understand organics better, and the symbol of 'organic superior code', Shepard.

 

-There are not other Geth platforms like Legion because until this point, any platform was disposable. Putting too many programs in a platform probably would have been viewed as inefficient, as those platforms likely have to 'learn' to work together in networking and optimizing their processes.

Basically, the Geth live in server hubs and only be a 'Geth' (platform) when they have to. The tech is usually to reflect that, but Legion was a special case. A special case that can end up being their salvation, in a sense.

 

-Legion seems to be meant to symbolize the synthetic reaching out to the organic, as Shepard is the organic reaching out to the synthetic (especially when Paragon, but more literally established when cyborgface-Renegade). Though Shepard's journey we may understand the synthetic enough to seek to understand it, and through Legion's journey (if we choose to encourage it) we may see it understand the organic enough to seek a connection between all Geth and Quarians.

 

Or we can just send the random platform found on the Derelict Reaper (without EDI giving it a name) to Cerberus, face the more bitchy GethVI in ME3 (this being the default ME3 file status as well), and shoot it in the head over and over until it stops trying to talk and do its dangerous and deceptive clicky clacky beep boop things.

 

 

Aaaahhhh Yes. The GethVI... Such wow BioWare. So skill. Much amaze. 

 

 

 

Great Player agency there BioDerp. 

 

 

DERP. 

[SwobyJ]

Never stop your posts, Turian.

[Grieving Natashina]

Never stop your posts, Turian.

It makes me wonder why if someone hates the series so much, they keep posting.  It's not like calling Bioware names does any good.  Anytime I've disliked a piece of media that much, I stop buying it and ignore the fan base.  <shrug>

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Wait! So Legion's geth was against using reaper tech. Right? So why use the Reaper Code? Didn't Legion say they didn't want to use the old machine technologies and that they would find they're own path? OMG! Please don't tell me ME3 Legion really isn't our ME2 Legion....I think I messed up and possibly helped the reapers.

 

Suddenly Legion wanted to be a real boy, and then wanted all geth to be real boys. Clothes make the man.

[Remix-General Aetius]

It makes me wonder why if someone hates the series so much, they keep posting.  It's not like calling Bioware names does any good.  Anytime I've disliked a piece of media that much, I stop buying it and ignore the fan base.  <shrug>

 

because he got nothing better to do?

[Grieving Natashina]

More on topic, the theory as posted by tvtropes is this:

 

It's heavily implied that it was originally just an ordinary agricultural unit who picked up a sniper rifle to defend other geth when the quarians turned on them. It's come a long way since then. That said, Legion is a platform constructed from over a thousand geth runtimes when most platforms only have a hundred, so it'd probably be more accurate to say that part of Legion was a simple farming unit.

 

 

When you go into the Geth Collective in 3, you'll see a bunch of shared memories.  One of those is of a farm unit (which Legion does resemble) that took up arms to defend itself after its Quarian friend is killed by fellow Quarians.

 

The rest is a mystery.

[BronzTrooper]

Wait! So Legion's geth was against using reaper tech. Right? So why use the Reaper Code? Didn't Legion say they didn't want to use the old machine technologies and that they would find they're own path? OMG! Please don't tell me ME3 Legion really isn't our ME2 Legion....I think I messed up and possibly helped the reapers.

 

Legion's geth were the ones who were against supporting the Reapers.  In ME3, the geth were under pressure from the quarians and were desperate for survival.  The Reaper extended an offer and the geth had to choose between enslavement under the Reapers, or destruction by the quarians.  They chose enslavement rather than destruction, so they let the Reapers take over and upgrade them.  When Legion learned of a way to allow the Reaper upgrades to be uploaded to all geth, essentially making them true AI's, he realized that if the geth weren't upgraded, they'd be destroyed or taken over by the Reapers again, by force.  With the Reaper upgrades, the geth would be able to choose for themselves, and help prevent the Reapers from taking them over again.  Due to the Reaper invasion and the Geth/Quarian war, there wouldn't be enough time for the geth to develop defenses against the Reapers' hacking while fighting a multi-front war at their current processing rate.  The Reaper upgrades enhanced their processing power many times higher than they could have hoped for, so Legion saw it as the best way to help the geth as a whole against the Reapers.

 

Remember, if you let Legion do the upload and don't get the quarians to stand down, they wipe them out.  If you don't let Legion do the upload, the quarians destroy the geth fleet.  Considering the situation, using the Reaper upgrades to give all the geth sentience was the best thing to do to ensure their survival.

[Supremocognito]

Wait! So Legion's geth was against using reaper tech. Right? So why use the Reaper Code? Didn't Legion say they didn't want to use the old machine technologies and that they would find they're own path? OMG! Please don't tell me ME3 Legion really isn't our ME2 Legion....I think I messed up and possibly helped the reapers.

 

Legion/The True Geth were against using Reaper tech unlike their Geth Heretics counterparts. After resolving the Collector and Heretic threat, the Geth began preparations for war, against the Reapers.

 

In ME3, no matter if you choose to complete Legion's loyalty mission, the Geth choose to ally with the Reapers and get the Reaper upgrades due to the Quarians declaring war on them. Legion says the Geth accepted this offer because the Quarians were able to successfully push the Geth back to their home system. The Quarians then attacked the Dyson Sphere, which was a giant server hub to make all Geth connected, so no program would be left alone. (Legion told you the Geth were working on this in ME2). The Destruction of the Dyson Sphere cause the Geth to panic as their whole intelligence drooped, due to loosing so many Geth programs and not having enough "mobile platforms" and then survival became the top priority among the Geth Consensus, as they were on the brink of extinction.  They then allied with the Reapers and accepted the Reaper upgrades as they had no other allies, except Shepard.

 

If Shepard choose to destroy the Heretics in ME2, the decision to ally with the Reapers with much harder for the Geth Consensus, where if you spare the Geth Heretics, Legion will say the Geth Heretics eagerly joined the Reapers and that it was a mistake to spare them.

 

After you deal with the 2 side missions on Rannoch Legion then tells you that it has the Reaper Code but can overcome being controlled by the Reaper signal, probably due to the fact it can create it's own consensus outside of the Geth Consensus and was also shackled in the Geth Dreadnought. When you destroy the Reaper, the Geth become crippled as they loose greater intelligence and processing abilities. This causes Legion to upload the code as they face extinction without the enhanced code and survival is still the top priority of the Geth Consensus so prior ideologies are ignored. Legion also admits the Geth would die to protect the rights to become a fully evolved individual AI, after experiencing an enhanced version of themselves, so Legion decided to upload the code. 

[Grieving Natashina]

The Geth Heretics plot was a catch .22.  Either path you took didn't have great results, although the Heretics defection was easier to deal with in 3.

[SwobyJ]

Wait! So Legion's geth was against using reaper tech. Right? So why use the Reaper Code? Didn't Legion say they didn't want to use the old machine technologies and that they would find they're own path? OMG! Please don't tell me ME3 Legion really isn't our ME2 Legion....I think I messed up and possibly helped the reapers.

 

Because to them, submission was preferable to imminent extinction - even if independence from Reapers or organics was preferable to submission otherwise.

 

The Quarians were going to destroy them all. As far as we know, the Geth would never have accepted the upgrades if that wasn't happening.

 

After the code upload (if you allow it), we have two cases:

-GethVI making it more clear that the Geth are still largely isolationist in stance, and not exactly prepared to all die for the sake of 'Destroy'.

-Legion making it more clear that the Geth are willing to die for Shepard's cause and to ensure that synthetics are free from the Reapers' system of cyclical control. AKA they're ready for 'Destroy', if deemed necessary to stop the Reapers.

 

But this is more of a tonal change, because regardless, the Geth are their 'own people' now, both connected and independent from 'each other'. In the end, you as the player have to decide whether the upgrade it worth it, and whether you interpret the Geth to be either prepared to be sacrificed, or if it is even appropriate to do so (especially if you put 'hard RP work' into a good future for them!).