we're basically in this mess because of the Leviathan's stupidity. Leviathan created the Starbrat who in turn created the Reapers. there's always the one stupid person (species in this case) to ruin everybody else's fun.
Thats what happens when you have so much power. They got to the point that everthing they did and say was right no matter what the outcome would be.
Thats what happens when you have so much power. They got to the point that everthing they did and say was right no matter what the outcome would be.
Kinda like how the ending came about...
Did I say that out loud? 
Kinda like how the ending came about...
Did I say that out loud?
You don't have to agree with the Catalyst's agenda, you know. The Catalyst isn't BioWare mouthpiece, either, and both lead writers were heading towards this kind of conclusion. There are repercussions for outright defying and purging the Reapers, however, which makes more sense than the galaxy getting off scott-free because of some self-perceived differentiation to all the more advanced cycles beforehand.
At least you can dispute the premise of the Reapers' existence. Not so much in Drew's ending idea.
Thats what happens when you have so much power. They got to the point that everthing they did and say was right no matter what the outcome would be.
not so powerful now, are they? I still say let's get a post-ending DLC where we get to kick them between the legs for being such ******-poor morons.
It makes you wonder how spectacularly thick everyone else must have been back then, for the Leviathans to qualify as "apex race".
Least competent galactic overlords, ever.
........stupid primitives.
I'll be the guy who wanted neither.
I liked the reapers better when they weren't explained at all and wish they would've stayed that way.
I'll be the guy who wanted neither.
I liked the reapers better when they weren't explained at all and wish they would've stayed that way.
I would've liked that as well. I like villains who used to be all-powerful but were given the boot, and later they came back to annihilate everyone.
You don't have to agree with the Catalyst's agenda, you know. The Catalyst isn't BioWare mouthpiece, either, and both lead writers were heading towards this kind of conclusion. There are repercussions for outright defying and purging the Reapers, however, which makes more sense than the galaxy getting off scott-free because of some self-perceived differentiation to all the more advanced cycles beforehand.
At least you can dispute the premise of the Reapers' existence. Not so much in Drew's ending idea.
I may not have to agree with it, but Shepard is still compelled to help it along. Or "Rocks Fall"
And yes, the Catalyst is in fact the mouthpiece of the developers. Synthesis is the "best" ending, by their measurement. The Catalyst says so. It's the highest EMS ending (aside from the breath scene) And EDI's final speech is so saccharine and full of "Everyone's AWESOME now!" you can become a diabetic just by listening to it.
And again, we have no frakking clue how this "Dark Energy" ending would have presented itself. Nor the consequences of defying it. It never got past the spitballing stage, from the sound of it.
And EDI's final speech is so saccharine and full of "Everyone's AWESOME now!" you can become a diabetic just by listening to it.
Oddly enough, this made me embrace Destroy more. I don't like when storytelling gets manipulative or preachy, and EDI's dialogue there absolutely stunk of that with regards to synthesis.
I may not have to agree with it, but Shepard is still compelled to help it along. Or "Rocks Fall"
Because that's the logical outcome in that situation to folding your arms and saying, "No."
And yes, the Catalyst is in fact the mouthpiece of the developers. Synthesis is the "best" ending, by their measurement. The Catalyst says so. It's the highest EMS ending (aside from the breath scene) And EDI's final speech is so saccharine and full of "Everyone's AWESOME now!" you can become a diabetic just by listening to it.
No, it's simply the mouthpiece of the Reapers and their agenda. You just admitted that Synthesis isn't the most difficult thing to obtain in the game, and it never has been. And we've been over this: there are unsettling utopian tones to Synthesis and organic uplifting, down to EDI's speech. Having access to the highest tier of technological capability doesn't mean you need to, or even should, utilize it. But there are repercussions to defiance when the mecha-Cthulhu are this ingrained in the way the galaxy operates.
And again, we have no frakking clue how this "Dark Energy" ending would have presented itself. Nor the consequences of defying it. It never got past the sp[itballing stage, from teh sound of it.
Core ideas are core ideas, Iakus, and there are hard-wired components of that ending you can't shake.
Because that's the logical outcome in that situation to folding your arms and saying, "No."
No, it's simply the mouthpiece of the Reapers and their agenda. You just admitted that Synthesis isn't the most difficult thing to obtain in the game, and it never has been. And we've been over this: there are unsettling utopian tones to Synthesis and organic uplifting, down to EDI's speech. Having access to the highest tier of technological capability doesn't mean you need to, or even should, utilize it. But there are repercussions to defiance when the mecha-Cthulhu are this ingrained in the way the galaxy operates.
Core ideas are core ideas, Iakus, and there are hard-wired components of that ending you can't shake.
But that's not the logical outcome of the trilogy.
the breath scene isn't really an ending though. It's a little extra tagged onto a (lower EMS) ending that already exists. It's an easter egg.
And EDI's speech says nothing about these potential pitfalls (which you rightly identified) There is no hint of it anywhere. Everything is shiny, everyone is happy. Mary Poppins is running the show, because everything is practically perfect in every way. The only unsettling thing about it is how blatantly over the top upbeat everything is. Reaper tech is AWESOME now!
Yes, core ideas are core ideas. And that's why these endings suck.
But that's not the logical outcome of the trilogy.
the breath scene isn't really an ending though. It's a little extra tagged onto a (lower EMS) ending that already exists. It's an easter egg.
And EDI's speech says nothing about these potential pitfalls (which you rightly identified) There is no hint of it anywhere. Everything is shiny, everyone is happy. Mary Poppins is running the show, because everything is practically perfect in every way. The only unsettling thing about it is how blatantly over the top upbeat everything is. Reaper tech is AWESOME now!
Yes, core ideas are core ideas. And that's why these endings suck.
Yes, it is. Billions of years of successful harvests and conquered advanced civilizations says so.
Still the most difficult thing to obtain in the game.
Eh, do a little extrapolation from the things you see in the Synthesis ending, and exercise some rational thinking. There's more than the upbeat, even if BioWare opted against showcasing the grim in the endings (something the fans absolutely didn't ask for). Dragon Age didn't showcase the potential repercussions to the OGB, either.
Then the trilogy was doomed from the beginning, because both original and new lead writers were headed to a similar point. Not to absolute power-fantasy.
And Shepard succeeding against impossible odds over and over in the story say otherwise.
It's a "thing" not an ending. Little different than the fate of Jack's students different endings
"Rational thinking" and "ME3 endings" really don't go well together.
You have played Mass Effect 1 and 2, right? 
And Shepard succeeding against impossible odds over and over in the story say otherwise.
You have played Mass Effect 1 and 2, right?
Neither Sovereign nor the Collectors are the same thing as the breadth of the entire Reaper extermination squad.
Sure have.
But they are entries into the trilogy. Full games, not some Tower of Hanoi minigame. And they established Shepard as Someone who Gets Poop Done and Walks Away.
Yeah...big difference between sending trained troops into battle where they can get killed and slaughtering, enslaving, or forcibly upliting everyone and everything in the galaxy because a malfunctiioning computer says its a "solution"
I may not have to agree with it, but Shepard is still compelled to help it along. Or "Rocks Fall"
Destroy helps it?
Funny thing, I've seen about dozen variations of Drew's ending, all told by himself. The one in OP is kinda contradictive indeed. I prefer the one where these dark energy problems were result of usage eezero in general, not just biotics. So purpose of cycles is just let the galaxy to cool down and additionally keep one race as living museum with dreadnaught sized ego and demonic voice. This leads to simple choice in the end. Let cycle continue or stop it and watch galactic Apocalypse.
Simple yet cold motivation for Reapers. But I guess it wasn't Philosophical enough.
The ending we got deals with a problem that has been theorized for over a century though:
http://en.wikipedia....cal_singularity
But they are entries into the trilogy. Full games, not some Tower of Hanoi minigame. And they established Shepard as Someone who Gets Poop Done and Walks Away.
The Reapers threat remained in the background, ready, in each of the previous games. Billions of years and countless cycles, Iakus.
And all points considered, Shepard did get poop done, and with the cooperation of the galaxy. These are entirely different stakes, though.
Yeah...big difference between sending trained troops into battle where they can get killed and slaughtering, enslaving, or forcibly upliting everyone and everything in the galaxy because a malfunctiioning computer says its a "solution"
It's still a "grim" forced-death decision to defeat just one smaller Reaper scout, and that's even after Vigil's DEM datafile and after the game's MacGuffin turned into a lore-bending teleportation device. Not to mention the thoroughly silly Rule of Cool link between (hopper) Saren and Sovereign during the final battle.
Destroy helps it?
It certainly seemed to think so. In the short term, at least.
Funny thing, I've seen about dozen variations of Drew's ending, all told by himself. The one in OP is kinda contradictive indeed. I prefer the one where these dark energy problems were result of usage eezero in general, not just biotics. So purpose of cycles is just let the galaxy to cool down and additionally keep one race as living museum with dreadnaught sized ego and demonic voice. This leads to simple choice in the end. Let cycle continue or stop it and watch galactic Apocalypse.
Simple yet cold motivation for Reapers. But I guess it wasn't Philosophical enough.
Except why would the Reapers leave the tools that bring about the apocalypse? It would make more sense for them to watch and wait, and respond to any use of Eezo tech with force. It's not like even half the races of the MEU would have figured it out on their own. Prior to the Mars dig, humanity didn't even have a clue about Eezo physics.
The Reapers threat remained in the background, ready, in each of the previous games. Billions of years and countless cycles, Iakus.
And all points considered, Shepard did get poop done, and with the cooperation of the galaxy. These are entirely different stakes, though.
It's still a "grim" forced-death decision to defeat just one smaller Reaper scout, and that's even after Vigil's DEM datafile and after the game's MacGuffin turned into a lore-bending teleportation device. Not to mention the thoroughly silly Rule of Cool link between (hopper) Saren and Sovereign during the final battle.
And yet, Shepard managed to delay the cycle. And without screwing with the galaxy.
And the "grim, forced-death decision" was whether to divert troops to save the DA. Whether to send troops into battle against teh geth. Not to throw them under the bus.
It certainly seemed to think so. In the short term, at least.
Who cares what it thinks? What matters is what you think the galaxy will do with the knowledge of the war after frying the Reapers and embracing the repercussions.
Who cares what it thinks? What matters is what you think the galaxy will do with the knowledge of the war after frying the Reapers and embracing the repercussions.
Well, it looks like the geth and EDI get unpersoned and the sacrifice is completely unappreciated and perhaps totally forgotten about.
And yet, Shepard managed to delay the cycle. And without screwing with the galaxy.
And the "grim, forced-death decision" was whether to divert troops to save the DA. Whether to send troops into battle against teh geth. Not to throw them under the bus.
Delay being the key word there.
And you're still choosing your flavor of blowback, all with a gun to the head of the council.
Well, it looks like the geth and EDI get unpersoned and the sacrifice is completely unappreciated and perhaps totally forgotten about.
Both EDI and Legion's names are up on the wall. I don't agree.
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