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[Mes]

The Evil Dead one where he travels back in time (into like a fantasy setting ) is one of the greatest films ever. LunSei, what's the title of that one??

[Mes]

Nope. Never heard of Hercules Legendary Journeys until just now, have heard of Evil Dead but never saw it.

 

If you want an amazing series to get into (which also has Bruce Campbell as a recurring guest star), give Xena a try.

 

I was a huge fan of Hercules and Xena as a kid, but as an adult... MAN OH MAN do I love Xena. If you want a show with two amazing women as stars (who for once don't get sexually harassed by every dirty male bandit they come across in their adventures), give it a go. There's comedy, romance, drama, you name it.   Xena (and her sidekick Gabrielle) is one of those rare, well-written characters who HAPPENS to be a woman. It's brilliant.

[HuldraDancer]

I'm afraid the second link you provided has been blocked on youtube but I was able to see the first link you sent and now I'm really surprised I've never seen that movie before seems like something that would be right up my ally. Though I do have one very important question before I go try to scrounge up the Evil Dead movies, is there any eye gore in them? I can not stand eye gore at all its like my kyptonite ^^:

 

also that deer head very well give me nightmares later xD

[LunSei]

The Evil Dead one where he travels back in time (into like a fantasy setting ) is one of the greatest films ever. LunSei, what's the title of that one??

 

 

"Evil Dead 3: Bruce Campbell VS The Army Of Darkess".

 

 

 

 

 

Gosh I feel this thread is derailing. But in such an awesome way. XD

[HuldraDancer]

If you want an amazing series to get into (which also has Bruce Campbell as a recurring guest star), give Xena a try.

 

I was a huge fan of Hercules and Xena as a kid, but as an adult... MAN OH MAN do I love Xena. If you want a show with two amazing women as stars (who for once don't get sexually harassed by every dirty male bandit they come across in their adventures), give it a go. There's comedy, romance, drama, you name it.   Xena (and her sidekick Gabrielle) is one of those rare, well-written characters who HAPPENS to be a woman. It's brilliant.

 

Bruce Campbell was in Xena who was he in Xena? I used to watch the hell out of that show whenever I could when I was younger (though admittedly I don't remeber much about it other than wanting to be just like Xena)

[HuldraDancer]

Gosh I feel this thread is derailing. But in such an awesome way. XD

 

I'm sorry for derailing your thread 

[9TailsFox]

Bruce Campbell was in Xena who was he in Xena? I used to watch the hell out of that show whenever I could when I was younger (though admittedly I don't remeber much about it other than wanting to be just like Xena)

Yes he is King of thieves, he was in Xena and Hercules legendary journey.

[LunSei]

I'm afraid the second link you provided has been blocked on youtube but I was able to see the first link you sent and now I'm really surprised I've never seen that movie before seems like something that would be right up my ally. Though I do have one very important question before I go try to scrounge up the Evil Dead movies, is there any eye gore in them? I can not stand eye gore at all its like my kyptonite ^^:

 

also that deer head very well give me nightmares later xD

 

 

 

Man, what's with Youtube always blocking any attempt to upload an Hercules video? It was merely 1 minute and 45 seconds long, and I wrote "buy the dvd"!

 

Anyway, I have uploaded that video on my storage account. Here, download it from this link so you can watch Autolycus in action:

 

http://junoh.altervi...g/autolhunt.avi

 

Man, he's so cool. I hope Dorian is like Autolycus!

[HuldraDancer]

Thanks   With how everyone here seems to like him I'll defiantly give the movie a watch and sorry again for derailing your thread.

[LunSei]

Thanks   With how everyone here seems to like him I'll defiantly give the movie a watch and sorry again for derailing your thread.

 

 

Oh, I'm a huge Bruce Campbell fangirl... a thread is never derailed if it mentions him. XD

 

If you saw that second video, you can see Bruce doesn't necessarily play only horror movie roles, but comedy roles too.

 

As for the Evil Dead movies, I strongly reccomend you to start with Evil Dead 2, which is a remake of Evil Dead 1 but with more Bruce Campbell and more special effects. And I don't think there was eye gore in that movie, if memory doesn't fail me.

 

End of the off-topic!

[LunSei]

You... you're joking, right?

I'm pretty sure I've never read a worse piece of horsepoop.

 

 

Do you not have a less hyperbolic, more polite and respectful way of saying "I disagree with you"?

[Darth Krytie]

Do you not have a less hyperbolic, more polite and respectful way of saying "I disagree with you"?

 

That was the polite version, I think. (jk)

 

I dunno. I think all the characters are attractive in their own way. I don't see it as some huge unbalance.

[Thomas Andresen]

Do you not have a less hyperbolic, more polite and respectful way of saying "I disagree with you"?

I do. And I apologise.

There's practically nothing that is more subjective than beauty. There are some aspects that are universal, across cultures, when it comes to what is considered beautiful, but it's not what you'd expect. Average is the universal in what is considered beautiful. But what is considered beauty is also about more than physical appearance.

I'm not a psychologist though; this guy can explain it better than I.

[LunSei]

I do. And I apologise.

There's practically nothing that is more subjective than beauty. There are some aspects that are universal, across cultures, when it comes to what is considered beautiful, but it's not what you'd expect. Average is the universal in what is considered beautiful. But what is considered beauty is also about more than physical appearance.

I'm not a psychologist though; this guy can explain it better than I.

 

 

 

But standard beauty does exist, and it was defined in the ancient times already.

 

Across the different centuries and cultures, all representations of goodlooking people are the same.

 

To put it simply: there isn't, and there never was, any culture in the world in which this would be considered attractive:

 

 

 

 

And there isn't, and never was, any culture in the world in which this would be considered hideous:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Standard beauty is defined by a certain shape and correlation between the facial and body features. As ancient cultures already knew, beauty is in harmonical shapes.

 

The more a human figure strays away from canonical proportions and shapes, the easier it is to find it ugly. The more a human figure follows correct shapes and proportions, the easier to find it pleasant.

 

While nobody of the male characters in Inquisition stray too far away from canonical, OBJECTIVE beauty, it is undeniable that they feature a lot more physical flaws than their female counterparts. Which is the point I was trying to make.

You may argue that males are allowed a winder sprectrum of appearances because the female brain is more attracted by confidence, personality, voice etc. rather than physical appearance, while the male brain works in a more visual manner (which doesn't make men shallow - a man attracted by a nice-looking lady is as "shallow" as a woman attracted by a rich guy).

[Eudaemonium]

I'm going to guess that what LunSei means (if I am generous) is that there is a culturally-conditioned idea about what is beautiful, that is to say that in a specific culture (here, Western/Euro-American) certain things (e.g. build, weight, features, coloration) are culturally-coded as being more beautiful than others, usually due to a variety of dominant ideologies. This is the closest one can really come to a notion of 'objective beauty', since obviously what is considered beautiful changes radically with both time and geographical location.

 

The female characters in DA:I do and do not conform to these standards in a variety of ways.

[LunSei]

I'm going to guess that what LunSei means (if I am generous) is that there is a culturally-conditioned idea about what is beautiful, that is to say that in a specific culture (here, Western/Euro-American) certain things (e.g. build, weight, features, coloration) are culturally-coded as being more beautiful than others, usually due to a variety of dominant ideologies. This is the closest one can really come to a notion of 'objective beauty', since obviously what is considered beautiful changes radically with both time and geographical location.

 

The female characters in DA:I do and do not conform to these standards in a variety of ways.

 

 

 

No, no, no, no. I don't mean this at all.

 

Read my post above. There IS such a thing as all-compassing objective beauty, and it really surprises me so many people are trying to deny that here.

[Thomas Andresen]

I'm going to guess that what LunSei means (if I am generous) is that there is a culturally-conditioned idea about what is beautiful, that is to say that in a specific culture (here, Western/Euro-American) certain things (e.g. build, weight, features, coloration) are culturally-coded as being more beautiful than others, usually due to a variety of dominant ideologies. This is the closest one can really come to a notion of 'objective beauty', since obviously what is considered beautiful changes radically with both time and geographical location.

I find myself agreeing with this. Though if I'll allow myself to argue semantics, I don't think "objective" is the right word to use, because there is no way to judge beauty without being influenced by emotions or preferences.

The female characters in DA:I do and do not conform to these standards in a variety of ways.

The same thing can be said about the male characters. And that is a good thing.

[Gtdef]

I'm going to guess that what LunSei means (if I am generous) is that there is a culturally-conditioned idea about what is beautiful, that is to say that in a specific culture (here, Western/Euro-American) certain things (e.g. build, weight, features, coloration) are culturally-coded as being more beautiful than others, usually due to a variety of dominant ideologies. This is the closest one can really come to a notion of 'objective beauty', since obviously what is considered beautiful changes radically with both time and geographical location.

 

The female characters in DA:I do and do not conform to these standards in a variety of ways.

 

 

There has to be a beginning and an end to what a word means and why it existed in the first place. The greek translation for beauty translates to "he of good form". It's easy to notice defects when you have a symmetrical and geometrically correct face as a comparison point. People always found ways to hide the defects with clothing, jewelery and image thus the point of fashion.

 

That's what beauty is. Perhaps it can be different for some cultures, but there is ALWAYS a standard for good form otherwise the very word has no reason to exist.

[Char]

No, no, no, no. I don't mean this at all.

 

Read my post above. There IS such a thing as all-compassing objective beauty, and it really surprises me so many people are trying to deny that here.

Standards of beauty have changed greatly across the centuries. Hundreds of years ago, larger framed women with big hips were prized because implied fertility was seen as beautiful. Even in Renaissance times curves were very much a primary factor. In Victorian England, pale skin was seen as a beautiful trait because it denoted wealth. In 1920's England, slender women with smaller breasts were considered most beautiful. Nowadays most models are tanned. Beauty is not a fixed concept, and whilst there are some traits that are considered beautiful- evenness and regularity of features, they do not provide the entirety of the spectrum of beauty.

 

My fiance says I am beautiful. I could do with losing several pounds, and I am covered in scars from multiple major operations. He said I was beautiful whilst he held my hair during the times I was sick, and he said I was beautiful when I danced with him at his mothers wedding. I am not the most conventionally attractive person and I doubt anyone else will say these things to me- but to him I am beautiful. Because it isn't just looks that can make a person beautiful to someone. It is the concept of them, as a well-rounded person. It can be flaws that make someone beautiful. It can be a sense of humour, a smile, an endearing habit that changes someone in the eye of the beholder into someone beautiful.

That is why no matter what the standards of conventional attractiveness are, there will always be people who consider others beautiful who do not sit within those standards.

[Thomas Andresen]

There has to be a beginning and an end to what a word means and why it existed in the first place. The greek translation for beauty translates to "he of good form". It's easy to notice defects when you have a symmetrical and geometrically correct face as a comparison point. People always found ways to hide the defects with clothing, jewelery and image thus the point of fashion.
 
That's what beauty is. Perhaps it can be different for some cultures, but there is ALWAYS a standard for good form otherwise the very word has no reason to exist.

The Greek translation rings pretty true to me. "He of good form," in my mind, means physically fit and healthy. From an evolutionary perspective, "healthy looking" equates to beauty, because healthy parents produces healthy kids. And that makes sense.

[Thomas Andresen]

*snip* it is undeniable that they feature a lot more physical flaws than their female counterparts. Which is the point I was trying to make. *snip*

To address that point, I wouldn't say a lot, but I'd be willing to agree that the female characters could do with more physical deviations.

To put it simply: I would rather see the female characters be made less beautiful than the men made more beautiful. Make sense?

[LunSei]

It seems we've cleared our misunderstanding, and we can all agree that there is such a thing as objective beauty.

As Char pointed out,

 

 

 no matter what the standards of conventional attractiveness are, there will always be people who consider others beautiful who do not sit within those standards.

 

 

which is true. Because I repeat once more, the Penguin from Batman has fangirls.

 

It seems some of you confused "objective beauty" (as in, what is undeniably goodlooking REGARDLESS of wether you like that person or not), with "subjective beauty" (as in, what you find sexy REGARDLESS of wether that person is handsome or beautiful).

 

For example, I always disliked Leonardo Di Caprio, but even if -I- don't like him at all, I would never say he isn't attractive. And I have a thing for Udo Kier, but even if I find him sexy, I would never say he's a typically goodlooking lad.

 

I am not questioning the "subjective beauty" of the male characters in Inquisition. I am questioning their "objective beauty" when compared to the female companions, who seems to have far more of that.

[Thomas Andresen]

It seems you guys confused "objective beauty" (as in, what is undeniably goodlooking REGARDLESS of wether you like that person or not), with "subjective beauty" (as in, what you find sexy REGARDLESS of wether that person is handsome or beautiful).

Ah, there's the source of it.

Because that's not what objective and subjective means.

objective:

• Not influenced by the emotions or prejudices.
• Based on observed facts.

subjective

• Formed, as in opinions, based upon a person's feelings or intuition, not upon observation or reasoning; coming more from within the observer than from observations of the external environment.
• Resulting from or pertaining to personal mindsets or experience, arising from perceptive mental conditions within the brain and not necessarily or directly from external stimuli.

[LunSei]

Ah, there's the source of it.

Because that's not what objective and subjective means.

objective:

• Not influenced by the emotions or prejudices.
• Based on observed facts.

subjective

• Formed, as in opinions, based upon a person's feelings or intuition, not upon observation or reasoning; coming more from within the observer than from observations of the external environment.
• Resulting from or pertaining to personal mindsets or experience, arising from perceptive mental conditions within the brain and not necessarily or directly from external stimuli.

 

 

 

Uuuh.... yes. So what did I say wrong?

[KainD]

And yet again you use the word attractive, not beautiful. Perhaps because it wouldn't help you make your point? I know what attractive means. Hell I'm attracted to some really bizarre things as my friends like to point out frequently. But does this mean I find all these things beautiful? Hardly. On the contrary I'm attracted to them because beauty isn't their defining characteristic. And why it should have to be.

I have different beauty standards than my friends. They don't consider my physical ideal, what I consider beautiful, to be very attractive, much less beautiful, and vise verse.