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How mad would you be if Mass Effect 4 retcons the ending of ME3?


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Seeing as how we see humans, ships, krogan ( and the krogan doesn't have green wiring ) this leads to suggest Synthesis wasn't taken in their canon.

 

 

What would your reaction be if Shepard was simply dreaming or was mind assaulted by Harbinger and it turns out the only real ending was Destroy?

 

Because I, as an IT believer, would probably create 30 alt accounts and spam '' I TOLD YOU '' on every Mass Effect related forum.


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Oh my God if Destroy ending turned out to be the legit one I would throw a party and fill the room with balloons and invite over all my ME friends, sit down and make them watch all the IT videos on YT and at the end an obnoxious banner would roll down, emblazoned with an

 

I TOLD YOU SO

 

But in reality it's another galaxy, right?


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I would gladly forget this atrocity. 

What would your reaction be if Shepard was simply dreaming or was mind assaulted by Harbinger and it turns out the only real ending was Destroy?

Still a better ending.

 


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Doubt it will be IT (i like the theory) but i seriously doubt they will deal with the implication IT had which are to expect another game where Shepard defeat the Reapers for good.

 

I think retcons are to be expected so that they might create the universe that better suit the story they want to tell.

 

My prediction is retconned version of Destroy that become canon where the Reapers are gone but the Geths are alive. Although I don't remember where I have heard BW had planned a smart way to keep everthing together. I just hope is not parallel universe or alternative galaxy...that would be.......underwhelming.


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which are to expect another game where Shepard defeat the Reapers for good.

 

Why? They could simply board the Citadel.



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I just hope is not parallel universe or alternative galaxy

 

**** that. I wouldn't want to hear of it, then.


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Seeing as how we see humans, ships, krogan ( and the krogan doesn't have green wiring ) this leads to suggest Synthesis wasn't taken in their canon.

 

 

What would your reaction be if Shepard was simply dreaming or was mind assaulted by Harbinger and it turns out the only real ending was Destroy?

 

Because I, as an IT believer, would probably create 30 alt accounts and spam '' I TOLD YOU '' on every Mass Effect related forum.

 

If all this were true, well, then I can tell you the plot of ME4 already:

 

Defeat the Reapers.

 

Unless you're going to pretend a dream killed the Reapers.



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The concepts shown at E3 didn't lend themselves to anything being canon. For all we know it could take place in an A.U.

 

When asked if it would take place before or after Shepard, Aaron Flynn said they have a "pretty cool idea" for how they're keeping it completely separate from the Shepard Trilogy.



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Destroy is only logical outcome. Gameseries clearly points you to that direction.

If all this were true, well, then I can tell you the plot of ME4 already:

 

Defeat the Reapers.

 

Unless you're going to pretend a dream killed the Reapers.

Maybe andersson killed them, or maybe illusive man killed reapers.

 

Doubt it will be IT (i like the theory) but i seriously doubt they will deal with the implication IT had which are to expect another game where Shepard defeat the Reapers for good.

 

I think retcons are to be expected so that they might create the universe that better suit the story they want to tell.

 

My prediction is retconned version of Destroy that become canon where the Reapers are gone but the Geths are alive. Although I don't remember where I have heard BW had planned a smart way to keep everthing together. I just hope is not parallel universe or alternative galaxy...that would be.......underwhelming.

me universe doesnt need geth, they are expendable.

 

I`m sure galactic civilisations bans all ai research more strictly than before making sure that syntetic races like geth would not destroy all organic live as reapers warned.


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Destroy is only logical outcome. Gameseries clearly points you to that direction.

 

Saren and TIM disagree.


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Saren and TIM disagree.

 

They both shoot themselves in the head, so what does that tell you?


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I think the better question might be, "How mad will you be if Mass Effect 4 doesn't retcon the ending of ME3?"

 

Simply put, it will someday be necessary to resolve that ending and pick one to be "canon." Red, blue, or more likely a purple amalgam (but obviously never green) becomes "what happened at the end of the Reaper War" and the galaxy moves forward.

 

Many people seem to be jumping on the Andromeda bandwagon, and the image of the concept of what might be a galaxy map is adding fuel to those flames. As I see it, taking the series to another galaxy is almost as craven as making a prequel, because that would literally be running as far away from that hot mess of an ME3 ending as they can possibly go. How pitiful is it to think that BioWare broke Earth's galaxy in the MEU so badly that they are unable to fix it?

 

I hope that they're just gonna bite the bullet, face their narrative mess, and start cleaning it up. I think that there is almost no-one who would actually and sincerely argue in favor of preserving the uncertainty and silliness of the ME3 ending intact going forward. Casey says that they've listened to feedback that overwhelming says that we want to move forward and explore new regions of space, but I hope he understands that we want to move forward with the Mass Effect galaxy that we already know, and explore new worlds while still being able to visit the Citadel.

 

Maybe Casey and Mac are done with the characters and places introduced in the trilogy, but I'm not. I'd be willing to bet most of you aren't either.


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me universe doesnt need geth, they are expendable.

 

I`m sure galactic civilisations bans all ai research more strictly than before making sure that syntetic races like geth would not destroy all organic live as reapers warned.

 

I disagree with you regarding the Geth. They are as iconic a presence in the MEU as are the Asari or the Krogan, and while it isn't inconceivable that any of those races might become extinct in this fictional universe, it would be mind-bogglingly stupid to extinguish them with a single vague line of dialog in the most reviled conversation from the most loathed character in the entire trilogy.

 

The galaxy is a big place, and a lot of it falls well outside the Citadel Council's sphere of control, or indeed beyond any organised authority. Galactic civilizations can ban all they want to, but the idea that it might be possible to prevent the Quarians--who have travelled more than any other species--from creating Geth 2.0 is laughable.


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Maybe Casey and Mac are done with the characters and places introduced in the trilogy, but I'm not. I'd be willing to bet most of you aren't either.

 

I'd prefer to be done with Shepard and his/her baggage.  If they canonized an ending and moved forward, however, I'd enjoy running into old faces. Though, once again, the game would have to deal with umpteen million "could be dead" variables, and other choices are going to get marginalized left and right just like they did in ME2 and ME3.  Personally, I think it'd be to their best interest if they left the bullcrap of Lazarus' two-year jump into an intentional universe reset, the council getting retconned following the ending of ME1, and the rachni queen in the game's past. 

 

I say they vault ahead a good number of years, create distance between the original trilogy, stick to certain core constants in ME3's ending and tell a new story.  E3 points to that being pretty darn likely.


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I'd prefer to be done with Shepard and his/her baggage.  If they canonized an ending and moved forward, however, I'd enjoy running into old faces. Though, once again, the game would have to deal with umpteen million "could be dead" variables, and other choices are going to get marginalized left and right just like they did in ME2 and ME3.  Personally, I think it'd be to their best interest if they left the bullcrap of Lazarus' two-year jump into an intentional universe reset, the council getting retconned following the ending of ME1, and the rachni queen in the game's past. 

 

I say they vault ahead a good number of years, create distance between the original trilogy, stick to certain core constants in ME3's ending and tell a new story.  E3 points to that being pretty darn likely.

 

I think we are basically in agreement on this. My attitude is that the choices throughout the trilogy have already been marginalised to the point that whatever they fix into canon will be acceptable, as long as it isn't something stupid.

 

I think that for the most part, they should end individual stories based on telling a good story for the squaddie or side character involved, without regard for Shepard. Tuchanka based on Wrex and Mordin, Rannoch based on Tali and Legion, etc. Fans of those characters will be satisfied, those who don't like them mostly won't care. Then, in the future setting of subsequent games, they can refer to those histories as needed.


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What would your reaction be if Shepard was simply dreaming or was mind assaulted by Harbinger and it turns out the only real ending was Destroy?

Because I, as an IT believer, would probably create 30 alt accounts and spam '' I TOLD YOU '' on every Mass Effect related forum.

I don't have any problem with Destroy being canon. My preferred sequel start has always been Destroy with the relays still out of action.

As long as the thread title is true, and Bio admits that IT is a retcon, I could put up with it in a sequel. (Though bringing Shepard back would sharply reduce the likelihood that I'd buy the game.) But if it's a retcon, wouldn't that much "I TOLD YOU" be a bit excessive?
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I disagree with you regarding the Geth. They are as iconic a presence in the MEU as are the Asari or the Krogan, and while it isn't inconceivable that any of those races might become extinct in this fictional universe, it would be mind-bogglingly stupid to extinguish them with a single vague line of dialog in the most reviled conversation from the most loathed character in the entire trilogy.


So canonize that the quarians killed them at Rannoch.

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So canonize that the quarians killed them at Rannoch.

 

The ending where Tali tells Legion that he has a soul as she murders him and dooms the Geth to annihilation is infinitely better than "oh, red space magic killz all geth for some reason lololol."

 

I still think there should either be some left, or some recreated by mad Quarian scientists, just because I'd rather play a game in a galaxy that has Geth in it.


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If the rest of the game was fun to play and had an engaging story and characters, I honestly wouldn't care how they handle the endings from ME3.


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I think they should avoid it via ark theory.

That said, choosing a canon or melding the endings together into a new canon is the only way to continue a storyline in the Milky Way.
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I'd be pretty happy actually.

 

The way I see it, the Destroy ending is the only ending that would allow for future games. If you happened to chose synthesis or control, your ME personal universe would pretty much end there, with no huge conflicts again. Kind of like if your Shepard dies in ME2.

 

Honestly, they could in theory make it so the endings don't matter in some way, but I think they're really going to need to canonize an ending. I'd really just like to move forward and forget this whole ME3 ending malarkey. 


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i doubt they will retcon it.

 

it will most likely be done in the same way as saving the council or not. So no matter what effect they have it will no effect the plot at all. Which will cause just as much hate as if they did retcon it.

 

Synthesis in terms of Graphics/look can just be a overlaid affect put in later in development.


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I don't have any problem with Destroy being canon. My preferred sequel start has always been Destroy with the relays still out of action.

As long as the thread title is true, and Bio admits that IT is a retcon, I could put up with it in a sequel. (Though bringing Shepard back would sharply reduce the likelihood that I'd buy the game.) But if it's a retcon, wouldn't that much "I TOLD YOU" be a bit excessive?

 

Who said retcon?

 

If the IT is true, it's not a retcon. Shepard was simply dreaming/was getting mindf$cked.



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The concepts shown at E3 didn't lend themselves to anything being canon. For all we know it could take place in an A.U.

 

When asked if it would take place before or after Shepard, Aaron Flynn said they have a "pretty cool idea" for how they're keeping it completely separate from the Shepard Trilogy.

 

AU is pretty much the only thing that could get me enthused about the next ME game.

 

That being said, if by some bizarre twist of fate IT turned out to be "true", or as true as any other ME3 ending, then I won't dismiss the game out of hand.


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I want Mass Effect to move beyond the ending, canonizing destroy is fine by me, AU is fine by me, IT is fine by me.

 

Going to a different galaxy is stupid, there would be basically no continuity ... Lost in Space with ME races for crew is not a Mass Effect game.


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