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How mad would you be if Mass Effect 4 retcons the ending of ME3?


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Actually, I believe a bad reason can be, and often is, worse than no reason at all.


You're OK with the Reapers simply being silly, then? With the cycles having no reason at all? It's a defensible position; Drew K. may have dug the series a hole Bio could never have climbed out of and shouldn't have tried to.

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They can force whatever they want into THEIR game or are you a writer for the team? 

 

 

Its their game, they can do what they want.  They owe the player nothing.

 

The players don't owe the developer anything and are free to express their dislike for the game how they want, within the confines of the law, and for the duration they want. It may be the developers game but it's the people who purchased the game that made it economically possible. It was bioware insulting the players that resulted in me not buying anymore downloadable content actually. After all they're no more entitled to sells then we are to a product we find worth the price.


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Sure, no one (at least I'm not) is saying otherwise.
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It depends. I wouldn't complain if it was something different than what it is.

 

That said, I have my own interpretation and headcanon of the ending, and it works well enough for me. There aren't many other scenario's that could plausibly work out.

 

As it is, the writers wanted to make something like Evangelion and 2001 without actually understanding what they were doing.



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 After all they're no more entitled to sells then we are to a product we find worth the price.

 

Of course, who is saying otherwise?  That's obvious.  

 

They're not insulting anyone, when it comes down to it as a fan, you either have realistic expectations for a game or you don't and either put Bioware on a pedestal in which they can't "fall" from and can do no wrong or you go in with again, a realistic mindset on what you believe the game is going to achieve.

 

I remember I thought the game was going to blow my mind away, especially from the trailers and such, I was hyped - so the PR did an excellent job, as usual, but the quality didn't live up to my standards and I looked back and what I thought was going to happen and what didn't and learned from it.  

 

You are right and stating that it's on both ends, but they can do whatever they want with their title and we can only speak with our money.  They seem to be in a great position still, as much as I disliked ME3, Bioware seems to be doing perfectly fine and I respect that and I want them to have success, but I'm approaching them from a hesitant state - where as before I would buy their games with no second thought.  It is what it is, they can do what they want and we can either buy it or we can choose not to. 



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I wouldn't mind



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Of course, who is saying otherwise?  That's obvious.  

 

They're not insulting anyone, when it comes down to it as a fan, you either have realistic expectations for a game or you don't and either put Bioware on a pedestal in which they can't "fall" from and can do no wrong or you go in with again, a realistic mindset on what you believe the game is going to achieve.

 

I remember I thought the game was going to blow my mind away, especially from the trailers and such, I was hyped - so the PR did an excellent job, as usual, but the quality didn't live up to my standards and I looked back and what I thought was going to happen and what didn't and learned from it.  

 

You are right and stating that it's on both ends, but they can do whatever they want with their title and we can only speak with our money.  They seem to be in a great position still, as much as I disliked ME3, Bioware seems to be doing perfectly fine and I respect that and I want them to have success, but I'm approaching them from a hesitant state - where as before I would buy their games with no second thought.  It is what it is, they can do what they want and we can either buy it or we can choose not to. 

 

I agree (though I'm probably a bit more cynical on the 'success' end), though I still also believe BW needs to sort of improve their attitude and work around fans. I got strong vibes of 'how dare you criticize us and our product' from both DA2 and ME3, as well as a sense that they didn't want to communicate with people or play hardball with them. They've had a lot of hesitation in engaging the masses over the games, as well as a public... lack of response to criticism (if not outright denial). I hope they've learned from it (and I'm sure they have sans the ME4 development teaser that looked like a self-indulgent Casey Hudson photo op, though in that case, since the trailer had little to actually do with the game, I feel that it was just window dressing for Hudson's own ego.)


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I agree that they can approach speaking to their fans or at least communicating in a way that doesn't make it seem like we don't get their point of view, which most of us do, I hope.  I hope they take it as a learning experience, as much as us (certain) fans did, even if you loved ME3 - you can't be oblivious to it's flaws and handling.  


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In Bioware's defence they are usually very good at listening to their fans. As MassivelyEffective0730 and spirosz have pointed out the current problem with Bioware is a lack of communication with their fan's. Aside from P.R. Speak there has been no effort to explain what they aiming for with ME3's original ending, what they were trying to set for the future or an acknowledgement of what they could have done better. There is no acknowledgement that they have taken on any of the feedback from ME3 ( or the trilogy as a whole ) and are working hard to make a better ME game for the future.
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You're OK with the Reapers simply being silly, then? With the cycles having no reason at all? It's a defensible position; Drew K. may have dug the series a hole Bio could never have climbed out of and shouldn't have tried to.

I'm okay with the Reapers being inscrutable.  With them acting for reasons we can't comprehend.  Which I say is distinct from them acting for silly reasons.



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Its their game, they can do what they want.  They owe the player nothing.

My reply to apologist posts like these is: K?



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I'm okay with the Reapers being inscrutable.  With them acting for reasons we can't comprehend.  Which I say is distinct from them acting for silly reasons.


Not just inscrutable. Irrational.

Honestly, I haven't read enough of the right types of fantasy to know how that would play out. Offhand I can't think of any SF that went this route. I've always been surprised that so many ME fans here drank the Cthulhu Kool-Aid.

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Not just inscrutable. Irrational.

Honestly, I haven't read enough of the right types of fantasy to know how that would play out. Offhand I can't think of any SF that went this route. I've always been surprised that so many ME fans here drank the Cthulhu Kool-Aid.

Irrational in that we do not have the full context.  And perhaps cannot understand.

 

And any sf work that shows aliens as truly alien, not as rubber-forehead aliens, go this route to a greater or lesser degree.  Try some Larry Niven or even Heinlein.



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Destroy and Control can work together ----- No more Reapers.

 

Just move the setting about 40 years ahead and everything should be rebuilt, but there would still be issues to explore because society hasn't fully recovered from the Reaper war. The First Contact was still pretty fresh when the trilogy started, so it could work like that.

 

What I'm worried about is the situation with the Genophage and the Quarians. No Quarians vs Quarians both possible?



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I'm hoping they make Destroy canon

and then I would laugh at the crazy folks who picked control or synthesis

we all knew they were wrong


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Personally, I think that Bioware should stay as far away from ME3 as possible.   In fact, I am surprised that the two main culprits are still employed, and working on ME4/MEnext.  This gives me great worry, and little faith that the next game will have any merit.



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Personally, I think that Bioware should stay as far away from ME3 as possible.   

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Personally, I think that Bioware should stay as far away from ME3 as possible.   In fact, I am surprised that the two main culprits are still employed, and working on ME4/MEnext.  This gives me great worry, and little faith that the next game will have any merit.

Who exactly do you mean?



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Personally, I think that Bioware should stay as far away from ME3 as possible.   In fact, I am surprised that the two main culprits are still employed, and working on ME4/MEnext.  This gives me great worry, and little faith that the next game will have any merit.

They're experience with the trilogy so its obvious why they're working on the next ME game, and Bioware isn't ignoring ME3 (and ME1/2) anytime soon its part of the canon.



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First off I think we can agree that it won't be a prequel (better not be or there WILL be a galactic war). If the rumours of multiple playable races are true then they could conceivably continue on from the old grandpa story planet since the Normandy landed with members from different species. Test tube procreation? This would enable introduction stories to play out close to the same area/region assuming the tech for mass effect relays isn't availalble to allow for sufficient dispersion. Or the ark-style would serve the same purpose but the species will have to be in close proximity to each other.

 

But for the life of me I cannot see them doing it in another galaxy because Mass Effect is about those races we have all come to know and love and they reside in the Milky Way. Without resorting to the horrid writing and story telling that resulted in the ME3 endings I just can't see it.



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Personally, I think that Bioware should stay as far away from ME3 as possible.   

Nah, that would be a mistake. 



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Nah, that would be a mistake. 

 

"That's what separates us, Shepard. Where you see a means to destroy, I see a way to control, to dominate and harness the Reapers'  endings' power. Imagine how strong humanity would be if we controlled them!" :D



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"That's what separates us, Shepard. Where you see a means to destroy, I see a way to control, to dominate and harness the Reapers'  endings' power. Imagine how strong humanity would be if we controlled them!" :D

"I think you've gotten a little too close to the enemy." :ph34r:


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I'm ready to pretend that ending never existed. 


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