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[JonathonPR]

For me only the First and True Mass Effects would be unchanged. ME2 can be modified quite a bit. ME3 should be retconed entirely. There was no need for the Reapers to be the antagonists after the first game. The Collectors would have worked well on their own. No need to remake Shepard in ME2. Could have been someone else. More human Specters could have been recruited after Shepard's success. I do not feel empowered when the other characters in a game are made incompetent or stupid to make my character seem superior. I would be happy if none of the events from ME3 were mentioned or noted in ME4. ME2 can have some mentions. I would like a physicist to be consulted any time they want to introduce something new or explain how things work. When I want Magic in my scifi I will play Numenera. ME has had soft scifi elements from the beginning but don't go full science fantasy unless you change the name to Spelljammer. 

[Danimals847]

Are you honestly arguing here that the cycles are a lie? Or that each cycle doesn't end up with the species settling on the Citadel?

What are you arguing anyway? It's common sense that there are more relays out there than are known to the current cycle, there's a lot of inactive ones that have never been activated. And new spacefaring species have to have a relay in or near their system, else they'll never reach the Citadel in a new cycle.

So honestly, what are you argueing here? That the 'known mass relay' list is all relays there are?
Are you saying the Reapers wouldn't be able to build that much relays?

Really I have no idea what your point is. That there are far more relays than the current cycle knows about is nothing but pure logic from how the cycles work. What the Reapers tell you is irrelevant to this, you could logically come to the conclusion that their are a sh*t tonne of relays from talking to Vigil and the fact there's a load of inactive relays.

No, I'm not arguing that the cycles are a lie or that each cycle doesn't end up settling on the Citadel. Although now that you mention it, it is kind of funny that the reapers' entire plan hinges on every advanced civilization finding some giant, abandoned space station and then seating the head of galactic government on it without even understanding who made it or how it works!

 

What I'm saying is that if the relay network covers every one of the 100 billion plus stars in the galaxy, that's a lot of relays. It wouldn't require any willing suspension of disbelief if the writers decided to go the route of leaving some regions of the galaxy out of range of the relay network. That's it - I'm just saying it's possible and plausible.

 

You stated that we could "logically come to the conclusion that... there's a load of inactive relays". Nowhere is this stated or even hinted at in-game or in any supplemental material. All existing evidence points to dormant relays being fairly rare, with the discovery of a new one being a big deal.

 

Finally, the reapers may have pioneered and steered the mass effect technology we have seen, but the effects of element zero are hard-written into the physical laws of the ME universe. That means there could exist civilizations that developed on planets out of the reach of the relay network that discovered eezo-based mass effect technology - or alternative tech - on their own, independent of the guidelines set forth by the reapers.

[Danimals847]

For me only the First and True Mass Effects would be unchanged. ME2 can be modified quite a bit. ME3 should be retconed entirely. There was no need for the Reapers to be the antagonists after the first game. The Collectors would have worked well on their own. No need to remake Shepard in ME2. Could have been someone else. More human Specters could have been recruited after Shepard's success. I do not feel empowered when the other characters in a game are made incompetent or stupid to make my character seem superior. I would be happy if none of the events from ME3 were mentioned or noted in ME4. ME2 can have some mentions. I would like a physicist to be consulted any time they want to introduce something new or explain how things work. When I want Magic in my scifi I will play Numenera. ME has had soft scifi elements from the beginning but don't go full science fantasy unless you change the name to Spelljammer. 

 

I don't think I'm alone feeling like any retconning would be bad. I would much rather the next game take place a few decades/centuries in the future, leaving the Crucible decision intentionally vague and having legends of a human called "Shepard" (which would be tailored based on your Shepard's actions).

[InWeirdPeril]

Circumventing the ending could be interesting if done right.

I could imagine a canon version with Liara. When she shared her thoughts with Shepard at the end, she tricked him/her not to go and Anderson was actually the one who dealt with the reapers.

 

Nuts? Yep. Still would not mind it ^^

 

And if not that, I'd be happy with the Red Ending being Retconned.

[Hadeedak]

I've always assumed if they decide to go with one canon (which would be annoying, because it'd really cheese me off if the BIGGEST DECISION IN THE MASS EFFECT TRILOGY was just negated, or had a right or wrong answer), it'd be the same as Cerberus News Network did for their RP boards. You know, control with the Reapers and the Shepalyst off somewhere. It changes the least about the universe, which is nice, because I do love me some Mass Effect universe.

 

But I really, really hope they don't. I can live with some handwaving where for some reason, all 3 endings wind up in the same place.

 

Except refuse because no amount of handwaving is going to save that.

 

Unless the tinfoil hat brigade is right and we are in a different galaxy. Or it is not the spacefuture after the spacefuture we played.

[InWeirdPeril]

They could easily avoid the problem by allowing save imports, then acknowledge the players choice (I still maintain, they are all... blegh. But still.) and elaborate a little bit on them as a "nod" or "mending" and then go off from there. Well.. if you fudge synthesis a bit and ignore refusal. Their "official" canon, could be handled like they did with 2 and 3 through the comics or they just decide on one. It is possible and I would think not a dealbreaker for most players. At least I assume that people who would import their saves wont really go by canon anyway (I know I wont) because it is "their" Mass Effect Universe defined through choices and actions. Those that never played the trilogy probably wouldnt even notice that. And those that want to start completly without a reference can start the game as such. Would even make sense from a business standpoint. I'd buy that as a DLC. But that is just me.

 

It all depends on how BW wants to approach the new game. There is a way that could please pretty much everyone, in my opinion, without compromising the new story arch.

 

They have a pretty good chance to get it right. But, personally I am a bit afraid that they could be a bit headstrong and want to force the new story arch without any real mentioning of the trilogy by making 2 terrible decisions. Either put it in another galaxy or waaaay into the future. They are walking a pretty thin line.

 

Now, where is my tin hat?! Gimme!

[Iakus]

They could easily avoid the problem by allowing save imports, then acknowledge the players choice (I still maintain, they are all... blegh. But still.) and elaborate a little bit on them as a "nod" or "mending" and then go off from there. Well.. if you fudge synthesis a bit and ignore refusal. Their "official" canon, could be handled like they did with 2 and 3 through the comics or they just decide on one. It is possible and I would think not a dealbreaker for most players. At least I assume that people who would import their saves wont really go by canon anyway (I know I wont) because it is "their" Mass Effect Universe defined through choices and actions. Those that never played the trilogy probably wouldnt even notice that. And those that want to start completly without a reference can start the game as such. Would even make sense from a business standpoint. I'd buy that as a DLC. But that is just me.

 

If I can't have a canon where Shepard and synthetics both survived, then they better not reference the trilogy at all as far as I'm concerned.

[TenmaTaro]

I wouldn't care all that much as long as the new game captures that essence that drew me to the series in the first place. All I want is a good story, good gameplay and memorable characters. If they have to change what happened in past games in order to achieve that, then so be it.

[Steelcan]

after how much a fight they put up to changing any part of it? outraged

[iggy4566]

Retcon is the best thing for this corpse  

[Gladerunner]

The options are to retcon the ending, create 4 different variations of the ending, or set ME4 during the Reaper war, rather than after it.

All are equally disdainful, but acceptable.

[InWeirdPeril]

If I can't have a canon where Shepard and synthetics both survived, then they better not reference the trilogy at all as far as I'm concerned.

I'd actually be Ok with that. The "both" is what makes it interesting.

 

The options are to retcon the ending, create 4 different variations of the ending, or set ME4 during the Reaper war, rather than after it.

All are equally disdainful, but acceptable.

If they would stay true to continuity in narative, (like they have in the past, in my opinion) then 4 different variations (probably with a bit of tweaking) would be the logical choice. If not the easiest. Plus a Retcon one for new players. Then it would feel like a sequel again and not like a desperate Reboot (with a boatload of damage control) as it does now.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

If I can't have a canon where Shepard and synthetics both survived, then they better not reference the trilogy at all as far as I'm concerned.

 

Recently, I have been finding myself agreeing with pretty much everything you say.

 

Oh gods, what is happening to me?

[Gladerunner]

Recently, I have been finding myself agreeing with pretty much everything you say.

 

Oh gods, what is happening to me?

 

Anderson: You've been.... indoctrinated...!