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How mad would you be if Mass Effect 4 retcons the ending of ME3?


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AU is pretty much the only thing that could get me enthused about the next ME game.

 

That being said, if by some bizarre twist of fate IT turned out to be "true", or as true as any other ME3 ending, then I won't dismiss the game out of hand.

 

But it wouldn't be mass effect at all.

 

A world without any of the past characters is not mass effect, it's just a cheap spinoff.


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Well, according to the latest chats this game is a sequel and not entirely separate from the trilogy....so....they are gonna have to do SOMETHING with the BS ME3 endings.

Just canonize the most universally chosen
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But it wouldn't be mass effect at all.

 

A world without any of the past characters is not mass effect, it's just a cheap spinoff.

Mass effect is the setting,

 

A world without the characters, but with asari, turians, salarians, hanar, the relay network, biotics, etc would still be Mass Effect.


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I think they should avoid it via ark theory.

That said, choosing a canon or melding the endings together into a new canon is the only way to continue a storyline in the Milky Way.

Out of curiosity, would you ever want to return to the milky way? Avoiding the endings altogether just leaves the problem for another day.

 

 

 

 

As to the OP, I would be fine with picking a canon of Destroy, Control or Refuse. Out of these I think Destroy is by far the best in that the story would resemble the ME world the closest. I admit I do really hope there is no synthesis, the concept really irks me.


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Out of curiosity, would you ever want to return to the milky way? Avoiding the endings altogether just leaves the problem for another day.

Nope! I'm hoping for a one way trip. Like I said, I want Bioware to cut ties and start afresh here.

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I'd be perfectly fine with destroy, refuse and even IT. I always used destroy anyways in my endings.



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My soul dies a little whenever "IT" is mentioned. "IT" will never be. 



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To be fair, me and probably the majority of ME fans would have no problems putting aside and forgetting Synthesis and Control endings.


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Not at all.



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Destory would be the best canon ending to base the next game on, refuse won't be picked because all the turians, asari, humans, hanar etc. will all be dead, and synthesis is no way going to be picked, control could be picked but we are still left with reapers.



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The trilogy was being shot in the face at the end (and being vaguely and with increasing intensity anything after the awesome ending of ME1 :P), not because Shep is dead but because it turned into a mess. 

 

So for me retcon wouldn't take away anything from the original trilogy. Thanks for the memory and all but it's time to for a clean slate and a fresh start.

 

My hopes are that BW fully concentrates on making ME4 good and to better plan ahead this time. And i hope they somehow DID learn a couple of useful things from the PR desaster last time. As far as i'm aware they never signaled that they actually "got it". Why the huge backlash in the first place and how to avoid it in the future. But maybe that's just what they tell and don't tell publicly.

 

So yes, short answer: retcon is fine, just tell a good, solid story.


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I used to think Control was the best of the three flavors, until the "Extended Cut" where Terminator Shepard talks about how everyone will live in peace because his army of Reapers will make them. 

 

Reminded me of Stimpy's happy helmet.

 

Before that, I had headcanoned the Reapers and their new Shepard god fixing the broken relays, gathering up all the husks, and sodding off into the darkness between the stars to lurk and wait, making sure nothing as stupid as the Yuuzhan Vong ever happened in the Milky Way. 



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I would not be mad if destroy is made canon


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I used to think Control was the best of the three flavors, until the "Extended Cut" where Terminator Shepard talks about how everyone will live in peace because his army of Reapers will make them. 

 

Reminded me of Stimpy's happy helmet.

 

Before that, I had headcanoned the Reapers and their new Shepard god fixing the broken relays, gathering up all the husks, and sodding off into the darkness between the stars to lurk and wait, making sure nothing as stupid as the Yuuzhan Vong ever happened in the Milky Way. 

That's what I imagined too. At least with Control and Destroy the Galaxy has a chance to go back to normal. That's why I hate Synthesis, besides just being really creepy and, in my opinion, the most evil choice. 

 

With those two endings, the Reapers and Shepard can become just legend, leaving small references here and there as the Legend of the shepard (like in the Stargazer scene)



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Wouldn't bother me, it is there IP they are aloud to treat it anyway they want, I'm not one to let 5 minutes destroy the fun I had with the first 3 games and I'm looking forward to what is to come.


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It would be logical to pick a canon ending. They have to "reset" at some point, it's simply impossible to keep adding variables and pretend they're still going to take it into account into the next game. We have to be realistic at some point : I prefer to see them focus on the scope of the new game rather than have them try to make everyone happy and end up with half a game.

 

Plus, let's be realistic, half the players didn't even finish ME3, out of the remaining half, there's like 75% who picked destroy (as shown by polls when the game came out), and out of the remaining 12% who might have a different ending, how many will still have a save ? how many really remember and care ? and out of those, how many have only 1 save that they imported through all 3 games? I mean, yeah, it sucks for the odd man with one Shepard who picked low EMS control and who imported from ME1 and 2, but canonizing high EMS destroy looks like the best choice.


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Plus, let's be realistic, half the players didn't even finish ME3, out of the remaining half, there's like 75% who picked destroy (as shown by polls when the game came out), and out of the remaining 12% who might have a different ending, how many will still have a save ? how many really remember and care ? and out of those, how many have only 1 save that they imported through all 3 games?...

 

Well, I fit that category, and I want BioWare to set a canon ending and move on.

 

I have dozens of ME saves, 4 from ME2, and I played ME3 exactly once. I still have that save--a Shepard created in ME1 and played all the way through--and I do not want BioWare to invite me to import that save into ME4. 



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It would be logical to pick a canon ending. They have to "reset" at some point, it's simply impossible to keep adding variables and pretend they're still going to take it into account into the next game. We have to be realistic at some point : I prefer to see them focus on the scope of the new game rather than have them try to make everyone happy and end up with half a game.

 

Plus, let's be realistic, half the players didn't even finish ME3, out of the remaining half, there's like 75% who picked destroy (as shown by polls when the game came out), and out of the remaining 12% who might have a different ending, how many will still have a save ? how many really remember and care ? and out of those, how many have only 1 save that they imported through all 3 games? I mean, yeah, it sucks for the odd man with one Shepard who picked low EMS control and who imported from ME1 and 2, but canonizing high EMS destroy looks like the best choice.

As long as we don't go into Metal Gear Solid canon issues we'll be fine.

 

If the game does accept input from previous games they can always make a variation of Dragon Age Keep for the next Mass Effect (again provided that they would allow importing of any kind).

 

Then you have all the rumours of the re-release for XBox One and PS4.

 

 

I love Mass Effect but I'm not really worried about what ending they use, as long as the journey we embark on is something fantastic.


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Who said retcon?

 

If the IT is true, it's not a retcon. Shepard was simply dreaming/was getting mindf$cked.

 

 

Your thread title says "retcon." If you think Bio always intended IT, you should edit the thread title



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My soul dies a little whenever "IT" is mentioned. "IT" will never be. 

Please forgive me for being so stupid.. what is IT?

 

... ah! Google is your friend. Indoctrination Theory.

... nvmd.

 

It didn't hit me because I rejected the idea to start with and simply looked over any mention of it at any time. Destruction is the only reasonable cannon choice. 



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Indoctrination Theory. It's Googleable.

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Indoctrination Theory. It's Googleable.

 

Right... but just searching [Mass Effect 3 IT] doesn't yield much of anything. It wasn't until I looked at the suggestions at the bottom that the theory part came about. 

 

Still, thank you for the information.



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Hmm. When I put "Indoctrination Theory" in the first hit I got was a Gamefront article that recaps the theory.

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I said this in another thread as well, but it fits well here.

 

I'd go with the high EMS Destroy ending from the EC.  It makes more sense than a Techno God or that Utopian idea that "We're one big cyborg family."

 

Since most of the races in the ME 'verse are longer lived in humans, I figured that any future ME games can take place in another galaxy.  None of the endings of ME3 said if the entire universe was affected by Destroy or Synthesis.  Any of the endings could have been localized to the Milky Way.  

 

I could never see Synthesis being any sort of canon.  The implication is way too Utopian for me.  Fun as a game ending, but extremely stupid to build another trilogy off of.  Control might work, since the Reapers could be just the guardians/army for the Milky Way, but even then I don't want another Techno God become canon.  The Starbrat was bad enough.



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Hmm. When I put "Indoctrination Theory" in the first hit I got was a Gamefront article that recaps the theory.

 

Sure... but you knew what IT stood for. If I knew to type in "Indoctrination Theory" then I had no need to ask the question.

 

Just to throw this out there to be in line with the OP... I reject the idea completely so I don't even care what the intricities of the concept are.


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