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How mad would you be if Mass Effect 4 retcons the ending of ME3?


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I'd be cool with it.

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Does the game even save your choice at the very end? Always wondered this since it reverts back to just before assaulting the Illusive Man's base after the ending.



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My soul dies a little whenever "IT" is mentioned. "IT" will never be. 

 

Then do explain why the human and krogan don't have green strings and there's a prothean over there.



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I'd be incredibly happy. It'd make no sense, it'd be weird, it'd break the canon in a way, but holy ****, if they retconned it, I'd be happy.


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Then do explain why the human and krogan don't have green strings and there's a prothean over there.

 

If Synthesis can fix the genophage, I'm sure they can eventually figure out how to turn the green switch off.

 

And I don't think that's been confirmed to be a Prothean, though it kinda looks that way. Could be more human armor.

 

Not saying that a canon-Destroy universe isn't what's depicted in the trailer (I'd prefer that), but there are easy answers to those things.


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Personally would go for far flung future sequel where ending divergences can be brought together as best as possible.

As for the issue of retconning ending.
If they had to set in a universe where one ending choice was made as long as they didn't allow any import function and made little mention of Shep's adventures I could probably cope even if inside I'd be unhappy.

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Oh my God if Destroy ending turned out to be the legit one I would throw a party and fill the room with balloons and invite over all my ME friends, sit down and make them watch all the IT videos on YT and at the end an obnoxious banner would roll down, emblazoned with an

 

I TOLD YOU SO

 

But in reality it's another galaxy, right?

 

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The next ME should take place at least a thousand years after ME3 and it should allude to the possibility that the ending of ME3 was either Destroy or Control and make all the past merky and indeterminate. What we will get is a series of forced canon in reguards to many if not all ME Trilogy choices including the ending which will likely be Destroy.



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Refuse is the most interesting end state, story wise.

 

Game starts when you, a human, awakes from stasis. 

 

But this is not going to happen because I think I saw a Krogan and Salarian in the vid.



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Why should they retcon the ending of ME3 when it gives them the opportunity to go in different directions for future games? They could do a new game/trilogy after the destroy ending, tell the story they want to tell after that ending and then go back and create more games telling what happens after the control ending etc.

 

They never have to say "this IS what happened", they can always say "this is what happened after Shepard made decision a and this after he/she made decision b".

 

Bioware created a spot in the timeline of the ME universe that explains different states of the universe - if they ever want to go into the parallel universe direction in the future.

 

For the player that wasn't satisfying, but it gives them a lot of options. Let's see if they use them.

 

The question after the few statements we got so far is whether they first go in a totally different direction like the ark theory that's brought up here quite often. Could be, but in the end wouldn't even that ultimately be about the crew that got send to another galaxy try to get back to the milky way at some point in time to find out what happened at the end of the reaper war?

 

So to answer the OP's question: I would be mad if Bioware retcons ME3's ending. But I don't think it is gonna happen, that they will come out with a game that says "ME3's ending never happened". It could be though that at the start of the new story arc an ending to the reaper war is still unknown. Or it could start right after one of the endings which would be my favorite, but which probably isn't the most likeliest as far as we know.

 

IMO a clever use of the endings in ME3 for the franchise going forward would be to create different problems after the endings that require different new protagonists to solve them.


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Anyway, to answer the question would not be mad (unless synthesis was canonized).


especially if it came with a direct statement from a certain artist saying "I am sorry I swear I am gonna leave the ME franchise alone from now on besides writing a certain turian"

but it is only a dream

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Refuse is the most interesting end state, story wise.

 

Game starts when you, a human, awakes from stasis. 

 

 

An interesting idea.

 

You could go around calling the new races primitives.


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Does the game even save your choice at the very end? Always wondered this since it reverts back to just before assaulting the Illusive Man's base after the ending.

You know, I'm not sure. I don't think it does. Hmmmm



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You know, I'm not sure. I don't think it does. Hmmmm

It does in the legendsave as far as I know.



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Why should they retcon the ending of ME3 when it gives them the opportunity to go in different directions for future games? They could do a new game/trilogy after the destroy ending, tell the story they want to tell after that ending and then go back and create more games telling what happens after the control ending etc.

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And how many copies of the Synthesis Sequel would they sell? Very few people seem to have any interest in playing in that world.

 

Maybe--and this is just a crazy thought off the top of my head--maybe they should focus on making the game that Mass Effect fans want, and making that game great so that it draws in new fans to the franchise, and makes a ton of money in the process.



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And how many copies of the Synthesis Sequel would they sell? Very few people seem to have any interest in playing in that world.
 
Maybe--and this is just a crazy thought off the top of my head--maybe they should focus on making the game that Mass Effect fans want, and making that game great so that it draws in new fans to the franchise, and makes a ton of money in the process.

Are you sure you know what most fans want?

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And how many copies of the Synthesis Sequel would they sell? Very few people seem to have any interest in playing in that world.

 

Maybe--and this is just a crazy thought off the top of my head--maybe they should focus on making the game that Mass Effect fans want, and making that game great so that it draws in new fans to the franchise, and makes a ton of money in the process.

I surely wouldn't want to play a game in that parallel universe. But after destroy or control? Of course. To keep synthesis pickers happy, they could just say that in that state of the universe everything is rainbows and bunnies. With everything being fine, there is no need to explore that state of the universe further.   ;)

 

BTW: unless the Reapers return after the control ending, they could even treat control ad destroy basically the same. No one was with Shepard in the decision chamber, so for any person in the galaxy the reaper threat just vanished. In one case with more casualties/destruction than in the other, but for the ones that survived you could also go in the same direction from a new threat standpoint in both scenarios. And every survivor will be happy that he/she survived no matter what - because no one else had a solution. So even if you don't go in different directions after those endings, there is no need to make the original trilogy meaningless.

 

So I don't see the problem. With synthesis everything is well, with refuse this cycle ends (it's like the everyone dies ending in ME2) and with control and or destroy you have a base to go forward, no matter how bad that end game of ME3 was.



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And how many copies of the Synthesis Sequel would they sell? Very few people seem to have any interest in playing in that world.

 

Maybe--and this is just a crazy thought off the top of my head--maybe they should focus on making the game that Mass Effect fans want, and making that game great so that it draws in new fans to the franchise, and makes a ton of money in the process.

 

Fans make for crappy storytellers and writers.

 

If they had their way we'd get futa asari.

 

Please no.

 

Also in several articles fans said they'd drop krogan and quarians if they were to choose 2 races to replace.

 

Please no x 2.



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Also in several articles fans said they'd drop krogan and quarians if they were to choose 2 races to replace.

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I rather imagine those same fans indicated that they wouldn't drop any races at all if they didn't have to, and only chose those two races because the existing game lore puts those races at risk anyway.



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Fans make for crappy storytellers and writers.

If they had their way we'd get futa asari.

Please no.

Also in several articles fans said they'd drop krogan and quarians if they were to choose 2 races to replace.

Please no x 2.

how about we stick with math? Bioware's own telemetry says 60% of the players picked destroy....canon found.

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how about we stick with math? Bioware's own telemetry says 60% of the players picked destroy....canon found.

 

Fine by me.

 

It's the only ending that makes sense in my head.



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how about we stick with math? Bioware's own telemetry says 60% of the players picked destroy....canon found.

Well, except they claim they will not set a canon in the Mass Effect universe.

 

We'll see how long that holds out.



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Well, except they claim they will not set a canon in the Mass Effect universe.

We'll see how long that holds out.

you mean like Udina being councilor? Sure, the decision you made in ME1 is not canon BUT regardless of what you do Udina is councilor in ME3 because Bioware said so

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There's a lot of "...because BioWare said so" across the entire trilogy, folks.

It continues to be a mistake to take that comment quite so literally.
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you mean like Udina being councilor? Sure, the decision you made in ME1 is not canon BUT regardless of what you do Udina is councilor in ME3 because Bioware said so

Indeed.

 

And remember, Synthesis is inevitable  :devil: