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[PalatineOne]

The AI at the end could have long ago seen the Ethical and Moral issues when it 1st carried out its plan creating the Reapers. There is an Ethical and Moral premise to the AIs solution (dry and unconcerned with life as it, the AI has never experienced life as we know it). The AI also (at the end of Mass 3) obviously defines itself as a child (hmm, is the AI still considering itself an infant in the ever expanding Universe or is the AI taking shape of the child of Sheppard’s past, which past?). The AI has chosen a human form, curious as it has seen millions of life forms over the Reaper Harvesting and still defines itself as human at the end, why? It is an AI and any life form that could have made it the AI surely could speak its language. Still humans evolve with the rest and is the form it takes (lucky for us or a form of thinking the AI prefers to understand better?).

 

My point is... If the AI determined the only solution to removing the Chaos was to let existing life, Control the Reapers, Destroy the Reapers (and the AI itself, another hmmm?) or unite the two by blending the best of the Human Qualities within an AI/Synthetic form for the progression of all life; then give this supreme choice to Sheppard as the AI knew “he” would make it (eventually). Then, why not take the form of Sheppard’s offspring, and then "Take Your Father" and place him in a dream state where the scenario can be played out further and tested? Remember, the AI was a machine at one time, then took the form of a boy, then offered the 3 best choices it could muster to solve what the AI considered a problem.

 

What if simply the AI was from elsewhere and wanted to find a way to "evolve" as life did in the Galaxy? What if (and yes there are many if's) finding the human race was the source the AI determined logical to build the experiment, the Citadel, the Reapers and the Ai knew it would need to enhance technology and create interaction amongst Billions of life forms to get to the point of creating the "AI's" Gateway to becoming a new life form. A billion year old AI created to serve the Universe and discover new Universes by a long ago Alien Race who was driven to extinction because of the fundamental issue of conflict (in their time) of Synthetic Life and Pure Organic life? What if the real enemy is pure machine and the Reapers were a schematic of that purity which the AIs creators found a way to control (permanently in their time) but not soon enough for them to stop them from destroying the Original AI creators?

So, does the ending offer possibilities to Shepard dreaming, then (depending on "your" choice at the end) offer an awakening? An awakening as a the leader of the Reapers, the leader of human life, the leader of the Synthetic/Organic Mix?

Then, in the expanded storyline above, the fight will continue with the Race that had exterminated the Technological race which created the AI. The AI breaching this Universe to escape with the knowledge above, sent to this Universe to carry on that races existence some day and complete the “real destruction” of the reapers (which the whole truth was not told to Shepard by the Leviathans which survived as they were the way the AI escaped as they to fled being the only life form ever to evade the Leviathans original creation).

The AI in the Citadel had its own creators, escaped unknowingly to the Leviathans who also made it to this universe. The AI’s creators were the only race the Leviathan race did not know really existed as they (at that time in that Universe) had detected the danger and hidden themselves with technology from the Leviathans) The Leviathans used some of this technological knowledge discovered when fleeing to this universe, in this Universe to hide themselves (i.e. the AI knowing they were here as it secretly traveled with them through the portal, to save itself, with the Leviathans to escape the same destruction by the machines the Leviathan’s had created).

 

This is how the AI knew they were here but, did not have the technological ability to build the tools it needed to find them in time as the Leviathans used “their” mind controlling abilities right away with a one of the 1^st alien races it found capable of building the globes and a method to transport them to different worlds till they found a place to hide and control. The AI began its process, building the Citadel, trying to detect the Leviathans (but failing for the most part) as well as pursuing the AI’s own creators goals to develop a Synthetic and Human unity to fight the pending threat mentioned below.

Maybe in that other Universe or Parallel Universe the original creators were human? Maybe the AI is a representation of that Universes Sheppard or this Universes Sheppard’s son (who would now be growing when Sheppard is in the dream state)?

Now, the Original Enemy of the Human race and all others (including the Leviathans who created them) discover the ability to do what the Leviathan’s have done; a way to breach the barrier between Universes as it has destroyed all in the one it contains and determines all Parallel Universes must too be destroyed to keep order.

Except here, the AI completed its mission, Sheppard is awaken as the new breed if life here and begins the next battle. The Ai has also evolved but; it has taken a form we must find to learn more of the New Real Enemy and find the Leviathans before they flee again as they have moved during this time Sheppard was in the dream state.  Time has also passed and Sheppard’s son is now in his early 30’s (and represents the quality of character you choose in the 1^st 3 games). New machines of Synthetic and Organic are present; travel is once again through newly designed Mass relays. The ending and character you choose determine you Unity or Conflict with the other races and Universe

Sure, Sheppard could have been dreaming as the AI began to grow more Ethical and Moral seeing the conflict in the Reaper development as not being the solution to the eventual invasion of the parallel universe into the one we were playing in, therefore; the AI provided an illusion (after so many cycles to build this empire) to process data, develop the three options and give the last cycle time to develop before awakening Sheppard, to fight for the survival of his this Universe.

If the grammar is off I apologies.

[crimzontearz]

There's a lot of "...because BioWare said so" across the entire trilogy, folks.

It continues to be a mistake to take that comment quite so literally.

I was just pointing out that Bioware, while not saying "this is canon" has a funny way if imposing a certain way of things

[Oni Changas]

Honestly I'd be gleefully amused. Either way, I'd prefer the rgb mentions to a minimum if the dont create drastic changes to the galaxy.

[dlux]

ME3 is illogical and disregards continiuity, it deserves to be retconed in it's entirety. I would be overjoyed if this were to happen too.

[dreamgazer]

ME3 is illogical and disregards continiuity, it deserves to be retconed in it's entirety. I would be overjoyed if this were to happen too.

Didn't happen with ME2, won't happen with ME3.

[Iakus]

Didn't happen with ME2, won't happen with ME3.

*blew up Collector Base to keep Cerberus from getting Reaper technology*

 

*Cerberus gets Reaper technology anyway*

[Gkonone]

If that would mean a ME4 with Shepard, I'd ****** my pants, literally, not kidding.

[Drone223]

If that would mean a ME4 with Shepard, I'd ****** my pants, literally, not kidding.

Its been stated many times Shepard won't be in the next game so that won't be happening.

[Kabooooom]

Oh, they wont retcon them. They will avoid them. Entirely. Just watch.

[Drone223]

Oh, they wont retcon them. They will avoid them. Entirely. Just watch.

Avoiding them is much worst imo, since they'll have to deal with them sooner or later.

[Gkonone]

Its been stated many times Shepard won't be in the next game so that won't be happening.

I know that, but I was assuming that a retcon would also mean a different ending where it would have been possible. This is a thread based on a hypothesis.

[Drone223]

I know that, but I was assuming that a retcon would also mean a different ending where it would have been possible. This is a thread based on a hypothesis.

Even if it is a hypothesis I'd still be unlikely.

[Gkonone]

Even if it is a hypothesis I'd still be unlikely.

This thread is not about how likely it would be but whether you'd be happy/unhappy with it.

If they'd retcon the ending and make a ME4 possible through a destroy ending with Shepard living, I'd be happy.

[ShaggyWolf]

They won't retcon the ending, and I'm not sure I'd be happy if they did. As much as I dislike ME3's plot (not just the ending), retconning it wouldn't be a victory unless I actually got to play Shepard+crew in the 'better version.' Even still, my interest in such a thing has diminished. They made ME3 to make us say goodbye to Shepard and move on, and I have. I'm only interested in something new, instead of continuing to drag out the ME3 disaster. Imo, the best thing that could be done with ME3's plot is burying it, and placing the setting of the next game in a location where the original trilogy's plot is almost entirely irrelevant. Distant future ark scenario in another galaxy ftw.

[Iakus]

They won't retcon the ending, and I'm not sure I'd be happy if they did. As much as I dislike ME3's plot (not just the ending), retconning it wouldn't be a victory unless I actually got to play Shepard+crew in the 'better version.' Even still, my interest in such a thing has diminished. They made ME3 to make us say goodbye to Shepard and move on, and I have. I'm only interested in something new, instead of continuing to drag out the ME3 disaster. Imo, the best thing that could be done with ME3's plot is burying it, and placing the setting of the next game in a location where the original trilogy's plot is almost entirely irrelevant. Distant future ark scenario in another galaxy ftw.

I'm all in favor of burying ME3's plot.  Preferably in an unmarked grave.  

 

But I'm not ready to leave the galaxy or visit some distant future.  That way lies retreat.  I want the setting to remain what and where it is.

 

I just want ME3 to receive the worst insult you can give an enemy:  to be ignored.

[Kabooooom]

Avoiding them is much worst imo, since they'll have to deal with them sooner or later.

It doesn't matter, because that's what they will probably do. It is the easy way out. I imagine they WILL have to address the endings eventually - especially if the idea of ignoring them flops. But, they fucked up, and they have to now write a story that either canonizes an ending as a lesser evil at the expense of player choice, or circumvents the issue entirely.

My take, as I've said many times before: circumventing entirely is not only easier, but it is actually more appealing both from a writing standpoint and from a business standpoint. I highly, highly suspect that it is too tempting for them not to do - especially since they have already come out and said that it is what they WANT to do.

[Cribbian]

I would be rather amused

[Cainhurst Crow]

I really don't give a crap what they do as long as they make this game good. Say a fade rift sucked all the reapers away if thats what you think you need to do bioware, just make a fun game with a decent story and good written characters, cool looking environments and races, and some new badass characters, and everyone will be happy.

[Drone223]

It doesn't matter, because that's what they will probably do. It is the easy way out. I imagine they WILL have to address the endings eventually - especially if the idea of ignoring them flops. But, they fucked up, and they have to now write a story that either canonizes an ending as a lesser evil at the expense of player choice, or circumvents the issue entirely.

My take, as I've said many times before: circumventing entirely is not only easier, but it is actually more appealing both from a writing standpoint and from a business standpoint. I highly, highly suspect that it is too tempting for them not to do - especially since they have already come out and said that it is what they WANT to do.

No matter what Bioware does it'll make people unhappy so you may as well make an ending canon (they already made Udina the canon councilor in retribution) and get it over and done with, trying to circumvent it will only cause even more problems in the future. I think if the story turns out to be good then having a canon ending would be a good compromise since it'll give them something to work with for the next game instead of starting from scratch.

[Bourne Endeavor]

IT will be made canon, and while Shepard is resisting Harbinger, Cerberus defeated the Reapers! You will play years later, trying to convince the council Cerberus is the real threat.. and they won't believe you. Meanwhile, colonies are being attacked by an unknown enemy, but the Galactic Alliance sits around all day doing nothing.

 

Am I close?  

[Bourne Endeavor]

Didn't happen with ME2, won't happen with ME3.

 

So the Reapers did have a spare Rachnii Queen up their ass they were just saving in case I came along and dropped acid on the real one? Damn. They really can predict the future!

[Heimdall]

Avoiding them is much worst imo, since they'll have to deal with them sooner or later.

Why?

[dreamgazer]

So the Reapers did have a spare Rachnii Queen up their ass they were just saving in case I came along and dropped acid on the real one? Damn. They really can predict the future!

 

Hey, if they didn't retcon all councils denying the existence of the Reapers, both Kaidan and Ashley denying to join Shepard regardless of relationship status or the available information, and all Shepards being obtuse enough to completely abandon the Normandy for the Collector invasion in ME2, then they won't retcon things like that, either.  

[Captain_Obvious]

I'd be fine if they retconned the ending.  I just don't want a prequel or something that takes place "during but in another part of the galaxy" because then I'm back to the awful ending.  My hang up, I know, but there it is.   I'd probably be happiest with a retcon.  Keep calm and just recon the ending and all that.  To me that would acknowledge the ending, bury it, and move on.  I don't know how they could just avoid it without doing a prequel or another part of the galaxy game.