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[Darth Death]

Forget the endings, I hope BioWare retcons ME3 entirely. The whole game was a mess. 

[Mcfly616]

So was 2. But 'round these parts many see it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[Iakus]

So was 2. But 'round these parts many see it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Not everyone thinks that.

[Mcfly616]

Clearly....

 

 

however, I never said 'everyone' did.

[Jaulen]

I don't know why it couldn't be set in the unknown portions of the MW Galaxy.....after all, didn't the 'multi-colored light show' only go out to the systems with active ME relays? (since the reapers would only be interested in those systems with lifeforms that are advanced enough to have active relays....i.e. now developing along the paths they have determined)

 

(I will have to watch end again to see)

 

Couldn't a ship have gotten 'blown off course' during the ending of ME3 (if not an AE but still using the 'bubble theory' liara and EDI talk about), and end up in a new undiscovered system with a relay, and meet a race on the verge of activating the relay? They activate it, but now you have to find the set of relays that get you to 'our' known space.....

 

I dunno.....interested in finding out more about the set up for ME:N. (And I'm using ME:N 'cause I get giggles seeing that it spells men.)

[Iakus]

I don't know why it couldn't be set in the unknown portions of the MW Galaxy.....after all, didn't the 'multi-colored light show' only go out to the systems with active ME relays? (since the reapers would only be interested in those systems with lifeforms that are advanced enough to have active relays....i.e. now developing along the paths they have determined)

 

(I will have to watch end again to see)

 

Couldn't a ship have gotten 'blown off course' during the ending of ME3 (if not an AE but still using the 'bubble theory' liara and EDI talk about), and end up in a new undiscovered system with a relay, and meet a race on the verge of activating the relay? They activate it, but now you have to find the set of relays that get you to 'our' known space.....

 

I dunno.....interested in finding out more about the set up for ME:N. (And I'm using ME:N 'cause I get giggles seeing that it spells men.)

 

There are colonies in systems that don't have relays, where you'd have to use standard FTL to get from a relay to that system.  I can't imagine the Reapers would have simply left those worlds alone.

[Jaulen]

I was under the impression that the Reapers would go after the races that had the advanced tech 'capable of developing AIs that would revolt and destroy ALL organic life'.....and that's why the Reapers would 'leave' their tech around....so that those races would find the Citadel, use it, and then start the cycle all over again....(activating the relays and the citadel was kind of a becon to the Reapers to say..."Hey! Come and reap us! We're ready for you now!")

Although my impression is that in the Prothean Cycle, they went around activating relays and conquering the races they found there (I'm probably wrong)....so those races were doomed along with the Protheans, since they were now 'all' considered Protheans (Kind of like how the Qunari of DA encompasses more than just the horned giants). I would think the same thing would happen here....if you are an advanced lifeform in a System with an active relay you're reaper fodder (they don't go after the non-advanced lifeforms...like those theiving horse(?)-things). Although I do wonder about that one race that decided to 'go dark' in ME3....were they reaped or not? (what a time to discover you aren't alone in the universe!)

 

And by System, I mean the whole of the systems that have the Relay....Like the Horse Head Nebula or the Local Cluster.

[Gtdef]

My problem is with the synthesis ending. If you either control or destroy the reapers, not much changes. Difference is that one ending kills all synthetics and the other lets them live and the implications are that either reapers help rebuild or the organic races have to rebuild by themselves so it will take more time. On the other hand synthetic life can be build again so in the long run not much changes. Even if synthesis is inevitable, at least organics have something to aspire to.

 

The synthesis ending is a total game changer. Technology that would probably take centuries to develop and become accepted from society is forced upon everyone and to top that, knowledge from all that came before is shared. Leviathans could travel in ftl speeds by themselves and that's one example. 

 

I'm speculating here but the game suggests that the spacefaring races didn't have many advancements in technology the last thousand years. It even suggests that races like the Krogan and Humans that were new in the galactic community at their respective times could go toe to toe with the others. In a thousand years of relative peace, the only substantial technological advancements were from reverse engineering Sovereign's tech. To jump from that to synthesis and knowledge of all who came before imo is very out of character with the rest of the game. I just can't see how the next game could take place in a relatively short future if it doesn't accept a canon choice or without retcon the synthesis ending.

 

The only way I can see it working with my limited imagination is setting it after thousands of years, like 15000 AD in an apocalyptic setting with a faction that tries to understand how they reached this point. That way all the endings can be relevant. But I didn't get that vibe from the teaser and I don't really want ME to become something like Warhammer with romances.

 

That said, I'm really interested to see what they will do and I hope they succeed because I like Mass Effect.

[Jack Vincennes]

Not mad at all. I don't care whether any of my choices from the Shep trilogy are disregarded; anything the writers need to do to give themselves an opportunity to tell a story more freely should be done. They aren't beholden to me, nor to any of you. If they need to make an ending canon to tell a decent story, let them. If they want to reboot the universe, let them. If they want to crush together all three ME3 endings and give us some combo that allows them to tell a good tale, I will accept it and get on with it, because at the end of the day, backing the writers into a corner can never work.

[Seishoujyo]

It's a new trilogy, so who cares ? ME1, ME2 and ME3 were all great games, we all enjoyed them, this is something new, a new generation of consoles and a new story.

 

We just want an awesome game, this is what's important right now.

 

 

 

 

My problem is with the synthesis ending. If you either control or destroy the reapers, not much changes. Difference is that one ending kills all synthetics and the other lets them live and the implications are that either reapers help rebuild or the organic races have to rebuild by themselves so it will take more time. On the other hand synthetic life can be build again so in the long run not much changes. Even if synthesis is inevitable, at least organics have something to aspire to.

 

The synthesis ending is a total game changer. Technology that would probably take centuries to develop and become accepted from society is forced upon everyone and to top that, knowledge from all that came before is shared. Leviathans could travel in ftl speeds by themselves and that's one example. 

 

I'm speculating here but the game suggests that the spacefaring races didn't have many advancements in technology the last thousand years. It even suggests that races like the Krogan and Humans that were new in the galactic community at their respective times could go toe to toe with the others. In a thousand years of relative peace, the only substantial technological advancements were from reverse engineering Sovereign's tech. To jump from that to synthesis and knowledge of all who came before imo is very out of character with the rest of the game. I just can't see how the next game could take place in a relatively short future if it doesn't accept a canon choice or without retcon the synthesis ending.

 

The only way I can see it working with my limited imagination is setting it after thousands of years, like 15000 AD in an apocalyptic setting with a faction that tries to understand how they reached this point. That way all the endings can be relevant. But I didn't get that vibe from the teaser and I don't really want ME to become something like Warhammer with romances.

 

That said, I'm really interested to see what they will do and I hope they succeed because I like Mass Effect.

 

Let's just say:

 

Destruction = well nothing to say Reapers are dead

Control = Reapers are gone

Synethis = synthesis failed it was an utopia

 

And now you make your ME4 without a problem ^^

[rapscallioness]

I was under the impression that the Reapers would go after the races that had the advanced tech 'capable of developing AIs that would revolt and destroy ALL organic life'.....and that's why the Reapers would 'leave' their tech around....so that those races would find the Citadel, use it, and then start the cycle all over again....(activating the relays and the citadel was kind of a becon to the Reapers to say..."Hey! Come and reap us! We're ready for you now!")

Although my impression is that in the Prothean Cycle, they went around activating relays and conquering the races they found there (I'm probably wrong)....so those races were doomed along with the Protheans, since they were now 'all' considered Protheans (Kind of like how the Qunari of DA encompasses more than just the horned giants). I would think the same thing would happen here....if you are an advanced lifeform in a System with an active relay you're reaper fodder (they don't go after the non-advanced lifeforms...like those theiving horse(?)-things). Although I do wonder about that one race that decided to 'go dark' in ME3....were they reaped or not? (what a time to discover you aren't alone in the universe!)

 

And by System, I mean the whole of the systems that have the Relay....Like the Horse Head Nebula or the Local Cluster.

Hmm, you know, this is a good point I think. I forgot abt that part. The non spacefaring species. With no active relays. So, maybe the Beam did not reach them.

 

Maybe a ship could be blown off course in the blast. But it would have to be a multi species kinda of ship......

 

but i could see this. the ship blown off course. can't really find their way back. meet all these new species. new worlds. and bring to them advanced tech; and an almost myth like description of citadel space. all the wonders. Kind of a survivors of Atlantis thing.

 

Heck, it's kinda of what the protheans did--even before the reapers. went out to less advanced species. species that had no idea the protheans even existed although the protheans existed right in their own galaxy.

 

no need to leave the milky way. it would still be a whole new region.

 

(though I wouldn't care if we went to whole new galaxy. as long as we don't go back in time to fcw, or sum such. but idk if leaving the galaxy is really necessary.)

[Drone223]

Forget the endings, I hope BioWare retcons ME3 entirely. The whole game was a mess.

That won't be happening.

[Gkonone]

Not mad at all. I don't care whether any of my choices from the Shep trilogy are disregarded; anything the writers need to do to give themselves an opportunity to tell a story more freely should be done. They aren't beholden to me, nor to any of you. If they need to make an ending canon to tell a decent story, let them. If they want to reboot the universe, let them. If they want to crush together all three ME3 endings and give us some combo that allows them to tell a good tale, I will accept it and get on with it, because at the end of the day, backing the writers into a corner can never work.

So, what you're saying is, as long as it produces a good story, you don't care about whatever happened in the first 3 games, correct?

[Oni Changas]

 

Not mad at all. I don't care whether any of my choices from the Shep trilogy are disregarded; anything the writers need to do to give themselves an opportunity to tell a story more freely should be done. They aren't beholden to me, nor to any of you. If they need to make an ending canon to tell a decent story, let them. If they want to reboot the universe, let them. If they want to crush together all three ME3 endings and give us some combo that allows them to tell a good tale, I will accept it and get on with it, because at the end of the day, backing the writers into a corner can never work.

They wrote themselves into a corner, bud.

[AlanC9]

They wrote themselves into a corner, bud.

It's only writing themselves into a corner if they actually wanted to keep supporting all our choices in a fourth game. Bio surely knew that this was breaking down when writing the third game. I don't think it's likely that they thought it would get better in a fourth.

[K-Mart]

Considering the fallout from the ending it would be a very ballsy move.

 

..Not sure how I would feel about it personally. I'd still play the sh*t out of ME4, so I suppose not too bothered

[Iakus]

It's only writing themselves into a corner if they actually wanted to keep supporting all our choices in a fourth game. Bio surely knew that this was breaking down when writing the third game. I don't think it's likely that they thought it would get better in a fourth.

 

Given how often they've declared "There is no canon" That would be...problematic...Given how much flak they take to retcons already in the trilogy.

[AlanC9]

The trilogy has no canon. That doesn't mean ME4 won't. Some fans would be upset, but that's true whatever they do, so it doesn't matter.

Anyway, what do you care? You don't want the current continuity to continue at all, right?

[Farangbaa]

There will always be people who are upset. 

 

Gamers are quite upset in general, and like to whine.

[Iakus]

The trilogy has no canon. That doesn't mean ME4 won't. Some fans would be upset, but that's true whatever they do, so it doesn't matter.

Anyway, what do you care? You don't want the current continuity to continue at all, right?

Actually, they've claimed that the rule for the franchise is that there is no canon.

 

An no, I don't want the current continuity to continue.  But there are those that insist that the only way the series can continue to to canonize.  Which, obviously, I strongly disagree.

[AlanC9]

I disagree too. Canonizing something isn't the only way to proceed. It's just the best way.

[Heimdall]

I disagree too. Canonizing something isn't the only way to proceed. It's just the best way.

And that's the subjective point half the arguments on this forum are circling around these past two weeks.

[Raizo]

 They wrote themselves into a corner, bud.

The worst thing about this is that when The ME development team finished ME2 they suddenly realised that the variables of the suicide ending would make it difficult to begin work on ME3.

Going in to ME3 the ME development team knew there was going to be another ME after they finished the trilogy, you'd think they would learn from the mistake made with ME2's ending but no, they made the same mistake again. If anything ME2 and ME3 have taught me that Bioware are not very good at thinking all that far into the future, they are not good at planning and plotting the direction of their main franchise. They just finish one game and then they ask themselves where do we go from there.

[Drone223]

And that's the subjective point half the arguments on this forum are circling around these past two weeks.

It's not an ideal solution but it offers something to work with, which is what AlanC9 is saying.

[kyban]

Honestly, if this game is a sequel (and i think it will be) they're going to have to make each ending work. I don't think they'll pick a cannon and say "this is actually what happened!", i think they'll write in such a way that all story points converge here.

It's not the most popular idea, but i'm not sure what other options they have.