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[DextroDNA]

... and we're done.

We're done because you know it's true? There is no reason for them to move out of the Galaxy. Sure, it COULD make sense from a RL standpoint but in-game there's no valid reason for them to just drop everything and leave.

[Heimdall]

We don't NEED a fresh start. There's only been 3 games! Why do you want a reboot 7 years into the Universe's life?! The previous games don't bring baggage, they make the future of the Universe more interesting and give it more depth. If Bioware can figure out how to do it properly, it'll be great.
 
I am 99.9% sure that we're in MW. They're just not going to move it to another Galaxy. There's no point when there's so much still to do in the MW.

Who said anything about a reboot? The histories and the majority of the events of the trilogy, save the very end, are all remembered and remain intact with the Ark passengers. Why can't Bioware make the universe more interesting and give it depth in a new galaxy? They've already talked about how discovering new things is a big part of ME:N.

So I ask, why stay? What's the point? Do we want to discover new things or continually reexamine the old?

[Heimdall]

We're done because you know it's true? There is no reason for them to move out of the Galaxy. Sure, it COULD make sense from a RL standpoint but in-game there's no valid reason for them to just drop everything and leave.

Sure there is, who wouldn't consider it if they don't have faith in the Crucible miracle weapon to save the day?

[Senior Cinco]

This completely ignores the sheer vastness of the galaxy. The Milky Way is approximately 100,000 light years in diameter, and we've only explored a small percentage of it throughout the entire trilogy, and there are still inactive relays out there. It's so unbelievably huge that there are possibilities to create stories in deep space for multiple games.

 

They said new part of space. Granted, we've only actually set foot in a fraction of the MW, we have traversed form one corner to the next. Must we stare at the same map with only new points of interest jumbled around? 

 

I don't think that's what was meant by "new space".

[Senior Cinco]

We're done because you know it's true? 

 

No we're done because you are a child and can't keep his composure without throwing out obscenities and getting emotional.

 

I know no such thing.No need to assume anything about my stand on the subject. You are too closed minded to effort a continuation.

[Heimdall]

Oh yeah, that's a great in-game reason. So when I ask someone in-game why we moved to Andromeda, he tells me "Well Bioware fucked up the ending of ME3 so we moved out of the Galaxy to get away from bad endings."
 
Moving out of the Galaxy doesn't change the endings. If you picked Destroy, the Geth are gone. If you picked Control, there's Reapers still around. If you picked Synthesis, everyone is half-synthetic. The Crucible's wave affected the WHOLE GALAXY. And don't pull the "ark mission" crap because that is seriously the worst idea ever. Even if they did do an ark mission (they didn't), they would send a small amount of people and would likely only have enough to build like one colony. Is ME4 just going to be set in one colony? I guess that throws out the idea of HUGE EXPLORATION.

The Ark mission can happen if Bioware wants it to and its not at all implausible that some people would think running was a better idea than placing blind faith in a weapon nobody really understands. Even if the initial number were small, there's nothing stopping Bioware from jumping ahead a few centuries or even a thousand years after the arrival in another galaxy.

Heck, maybe you're right and that really is a Prothean. They could have had the same idea and refounded their empire in Andromeda millennia ago.

[DextroDNA]

Who said anything about a reboot? The histories and the majority of the events of the trilogy, save the very end, are all remembered and remain intact with the Ark passengers. Why can't Bioware make the universe more interesting and give it depth in a new galaxy? They've already talked about how discovering new things is a big part of ME:N.

So I ask, why stay? What's the point? Do we want to discover new things or continually reexamine the old?

You do realise we haven't even explored 1% of the Milky Way? There's 99% more to go before we start moving to other Galaxies, man. There is a LOT to explore. Reaper tech can help us explore our Galaxy more.

 

You're avoiding the question. Why move? The point in staying is that they already have all their home planets in the MW and all their cities, colonies etc. Why leave all that behind for no reason?

[DextroDNA]

They said new part of space. Granted, we've only actually set foot in a fraction of the MW, we have traversed form one corner to the next. Must we stare at the same map with only new points of interest jumbled around? 

 

I don't think that's what was meant by "new space".

I think it is what they meant. There's a whole lot of "new space" in the MW. Like, a million bajillion stars each with their own planets that potentially host life.

[DextroDNA]

Sure there is, who wouldn't consider it if they don't have faith in the Crucible miracle weapon to save the day?

There's no way they'd have enough time to plan, set-up, build and round-up candidates for an ark mission in the few months ME3 happened. NO WAY. Especially not when all their resources are focussed on trying to protect their homeworlds and fight the Reapers.

[Heimdall]

There's no way they'd have enough time to plan, set-up, build and round-up candidates for an ark mission in the few months ME3 happened. NO WAY. Especially not when all their resources are focussed on trying to protect their homeworlds and fight the Reapers.

Oh, I'm certain you're right. Then again, they did manage to put together the Crucible, a device the size of the Citadel they didn't even understand, in that timeframe. Is it so inconceivable that some would think there were better ways to spend their resources?

Of course, my favorite version of ark theory attributes it to a secret group that's been working on it since before Sovereign attacked the Citadel. Alternatively, they discover a ship built by Protheans that had the same idea and commandeered it.

[DextroDNA]

Oh, I'm certain you're right. Then again, they did manage to put together the Crucible, a device the size of the Citadel they didn't even understand, in that timeframe. Is it so inconceivable that some would think there were better ways to spend their resources?

Of course, my favorite version of ark theory attributes it to a secret group that's been working on it since before Sovereign attacked the Citadel. Alternatively, they discover a ship built by Protheans that had the same idea and commandeered it.

Yes, it is inconceivable. Even more so considering they were building the Crucible as well. How would they have time to do an ark mission with everything else going on?

 

I wouldn't mind being able to visit another Galaxy but I'm sure it's going to be set mainly in our Galaxy. Perhaps if another race came from Andromeda or we somehow ended up in another Galaxy by accident for a mission and discovered something... but the MW is not gone.

[durasteel]

No we're done because you are a child and can't keep his composure without throwing out obscenities and getting emotional.

 

I know no such thing.No need to assume anything about my stand on the subject. You are too closed minded to effort a continuation.

 

It has been my experience that people who season their lexicons with obscenities and vulgarities tend to be more mature than the people who get offended at so-called bad language. 

 

To address what seems to be a central premise to your conclusions here, there is nothing to be gained by postponing the inevitable resolution of the ME3 ending fiasco. If BioWare bites the bullet and sets a post-reaper war world state and sets a good game (which I very much hope this will be) after that, then it's done and over with and future games, books, movies, or whatever can be set in the Mass Effect universe and the franchise can live up to its potential. If BioWare chickens out and runs away from their mess, it won't go away--those questions and issues will remain to poison the franchise for years to come, until somewhere down the line someone finally fixes what ME3 broke.

[Heimdall]

You do realise we haven't even explored 1% of the Milky Way? There's 99% more to go before we start moving to other Galaxies, man. There is a LOT to explore. Reaper tech can help us explore our Galaxy more.
 
You're avoiding the question. Why move? The point in staying is that they already have all their home planets in the MW and all their cities, colonies etc. Why leave all that behind for no reason?

I know the galaxy is big. I know we've explored a tiny fraction of it. But just opening up a new relay isn't distance when it takes a short trip back to get to all we used to know. That's the sort of distance we're talking about.

I'm not, in fact I've answered this before. The whole idea of ark theory is that people choose it as an alternative to betting everything on the Crucible. This isn't after the Reaper War, they're leaving because they believe they'll die otherwise. That's the whole point (And avoiding the ME3 ending consequences). You, however, have avoided my question, why do you want to stay so badly?

[durasteel]

Yes, it is inconceivable. Even more so considering they were building the Crucible as well. How would they have time to do an ark mission with everything else going on?

 

I wouldn't mind being able to visit another Galaxy but I'm sure it's going to be set mainly in our Galaxy. Perhaps if another race came from Andromeda or we somehow ended up in another Galaxy by accident for a mission and discovered something... but the MW is not gone.

 

At first I agreed with you, but then I remembered the horrible idea that was the "Yuuzhan Vong," which contributed to making so much of the SWEU unreadable and (I suspect) to Disney's decision to axe the whole expanded mess.

 

No, let's leave other galaxies in our telescopes and keep the next few Mass Effect stories on a more reasonable scale.

[durasteel]

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why do you want to stay so badly?

 

Because before ME3 tore it all to hell, the galaxy according to Mass Effect was fornicating amazing.

[Heimdall]

Yes, it is inconceivable. Even more so considering they were building the Crucible as well. How would they have time to do an ark mission with everything else going on?
 
I wouldn't mind being able to visit another Galaxy but I'm sure it's going to be set mainly in our Galaxy. Perhaps if another race came from Andromeda or we somehow ended up in another Galaxy by accident for a mission and discovered something... but the MW is not gone.

There are billions upon billions of beings in the galaxy you know, its a big place. Perhaps a few million were directly involved in building the Crucible. There's plenty of manpower to be found in the burgeoning refugee population I imagine. Not everyone was spending every waking moment on the Crucible or fighting Reapers, especially near the beginning. The ark project probably wouldn't be as expansive as the Crucible, its just a matter of moving the resources around, which wouldn't be hard to imagine at all if they had the head start I mentioned.

[Heimdall]

Because before ME3 tore it all to hell, the galaxy according to Mass Effect was fornicating amazing.

It was. That's why I'd like a group to board an ark ship pre-Crucible firing and get the hell out of dodge, so I can enjoy them without touching that mess.

[durasteel]

It was. That's why I'd like a group to board an ark ship pre-Crucible firing and get the hell out of dodge, so I can enjoy them without touching that mess.

 

Whereas I want BioWare to clean up their mess, and let me explore more of the galaxy while also being able to spend more time on the Citadel, on Ilum, on Tuchanka during a Krogan renaissance, on Rannoch as new settlements are founded among pristine, preserved cities abandoned during the dawn war...

 

I'm not done here yet.

[Heimdall]

Whereas I want BioWare to clean up their mess, and let me explore more of the galaxy while also being able to spend more time on the Citadel, on Ilum, on Tuchanka during a Krogan renaissance, on Rannoch as new settlements are founded among pristine, preserved cities abandoned during the dawn war...

I'm not done here yet.

Unless of course the genophage isn't cured or the Geth annihilated the Quarians? This is the problem. Bioware created such varying consequences because they didn't think they would be doing a follow up. To go forward now and see the things you'd want to see, they'd either have to homogenize the outcomes or set a canon.

Neither of which I really want.

Far better, in my estimate, to cut their losses and try to create something new and wonderful, to recreate the magic of discovery they had in ME1.

[Senior Cinco]

It has been my experience that people who season their lexicons with obscenities and vulgarities tend to be more mature than the people who get offended at so-called bad language. 

 

Hey... if you want to throw around vulgarities and feel big boy about it, then that's you. But the general consensus is that society can commune without them. So to respectfully remove one's self form that environment is not a sign of being immature. Besides, why were you so compelled to respond to that in the first place? What did that have to do with you? FTR that's a rhetorical question.

 

 

 

To address what seems to be a central premise to your conclusions here, there is nothing to be gained by postponing the inevitable resolution of the ME3 ending fiasco. If BioWare bites the bullet and sets a post-reaper war world state and sets a good game (which I very much hope this will be) after that, then it's done and over with and future games, books, movies, or whatever can be set in the Mass Effect universe and the franchise can live up to its potential. If BioWare chickens out and runs away from their mess, it won't go away--those questions and issues will remain to poison the franchise for years to come, until somewhere down the line someone finally fixes what ME3 broke.

 

 

You're just saying the same thing form previous posts in different verbiage. I respect your stand but I have different views. The MW has grown stale and like the explorers of our own history, i want to see what's beyond the next horizon. They can leave the ME3 thing as is or make the only cannon choice of Destroy and rebuild form that. Either way... I see no reason to be confined to the MW. 

 

It seems the redundancies of explanation reach beyond your comments alone.

[durasteel]

Hey... if you want to throw around vulgarities and feel big boy about it, then that's you. But the general consensus is that society can commune without them. So to respectfully remove one's self form that environment is not a sign of being immature. Besides, why were you so compelled to respond to that in the first place? What did that have to do with you? FTR that's a rhetorical question.

 

 

Answering rhetorical questions is one of my most favorite things, and the answer to yours is that I find the standard that labels certain terms "vulgarities" to be arbitrary, asinine, and annoying. I furthermore found your attitude of "I'm not going to communicate with you if you use words I don't like" to be worth the effort to criticise.

[Senior Cinco]

Answering rhetorical questions is one of my most favorite things, and the answer to yours is that I find the standard that labels certain terms "vulgarities" to be arbitrary, asinine, and annoying. I furthermore found your attitude of "I'm not going to communicate with you if you use words I don't like" to be worth the effort to criticise.

 

It doesn't matter. You're not that important.

 

...but way to further the discussion by ignoring the topic to pursue some stupid off topic concept.

[durasteel]

It doesn't matter. You're not that important.

 

...but way to further the discussion by ignoring the topic to pursue some stupid off topic concept.

 

That seems like a remarkable attitude from someone who earlier placed more importance on the words a poster used than the message they contained. A "stupid off-topic concept" is no less interesting than judgmental off-topic moralizing is.

 

The fact that I'm not important does not in any way detract from my ability to be correct, just like the fact that you're insulting and dismissive doesn't keep you and your indignation from being amusing.

[durasteel]

Unless of course the genophage isn't cured or the Geth annihilated the Quarians? This is the problem. Bioware created such varying consequences because they didn't think they would be doing a follow up. To go forward now and see the things you'd want to see, they'd either have to homogenize the outcomes or set a canon.

Neither of which I really want.

Far better, in my estimate, to cut their losses and try to create something new and wonderful, to recreate the magic of discovery they had in ME1.

 

I think it's pretty clear what the "default" outcomes would be, and what most of a canon world state would look like. For example, the genophage cure has been re-re-discovered, and there are suggestions that the krogan themselves might just evolve beyond it. The future of that race, whatever it might be, is unlikely to be constrained by the genophage one way or another. Similarly the Geth have a few opportunities to be destroyed while the Quarians cannot, as far as I can recall, go extinct. It seems pretty clear that regardless of whether peace is forged between them, the Geth are not intended to wipe out the Quarians, and it is implied that regardless of what happens some of the Quarians are determined to play with Geth AI, so they're not likely to be gone forever.

 

While the basic outcomes are telegraphed, the details are not. For the most part, those details can remain as vague as convenience might dictate, but they also provide opportunities for interesting backstories that combine discovery with nostalgia.

 

The Mass Effect universe can definitely recover from the trilogy and its pitiful end without the need to sod off to another galaxy and leave it all behind.

[Heimdall]

I think it's pretty clear what the "default" outcomes would be, and what most of a canon world state would look like. For example, the genophage cure has been re-re-discovered, and there are suggestions that the krogan themselves might just evolve beyond it. The future of that race, whatever it might be, is unlikely to be constrained by the genophage one way or another. Similarly the Geth have a few opportunities to be destroyed while the Quarians cannot, as far as I can recall, go extinct. It seems pretty clear that regardless of whether peace is forged between them, the Geth are not intended to wipe out the Quarians, and it is implied that regardless of what happens some of the Quarians are determined to play with Geth AI, so they're not likely to be gone forever.
 
While the basic outcomes are telegraphed, the details are not. For the most part, those details can remain as vague as convenience might dictate, but they also provide opportunities for interesting backstories that combine discovery with nostalgia.
 
The Mass Effect universe can definitely recover from the trilogy and its pitiful end without the need to sod off to another galaxy and leave it all behind.

Actually you can side with the Geth on Rannoch and annihilate the Quarian fleet, killing the vast majority if not the entirety of the species. Tali commits suicide if you do, but its possible and the Quarians won't be doing any resettling on that path.

Regardless though, what you describe really just repeats the same problem as the Rachni in ME3, the forced homogenization of our choice results. Nobody liked it in ME3 and I don't think anybody would like it ME:N. We can find discovery in both the MW and a new galaxy, but only the latter lets us avoid issues like that.