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[draken-heart]

I would not mind one. Preferably Cassandra or Vivienne.

[Phate Phoenix]

I would not mind one. Preferably Cassandra or Vivienne.

 

I like the idea of Solas being asexual. He's a safe character for it--people aren't going to be completely baffled that the dude who lives alone in ancient ruins isn't interested in sex. Well, more baffled than they already would be, I should say. 

[BronzTrooper]

-ridiculously long and stupid post-

 

You do realize that you made yourself look like an idiot, right?  

 

[spirosz]

Remember, despite what people tend to think around here, the romance is just an add-on bonus content. The actual game is a fantasy combat simulator with a deep story.

 

 

To be fair, I don't find their stories are that deep without the emotional tie-in from said character development, regardless if it's triggered from romance or not.  People tend to relate better to the story when the characters there are well written, as I find that Bioware has never really had "deep" stories, but that's just how I view their work.  

[spirosz]

just the option for romance without a sex scene would suffice IMO.

 

I viewed the romance scene for Jack in ME2 (paragon version) didn't lead up to any sex, just an emotional engagement people Jack and her willingness to final be able to let go for once and embrace a positivity she hasn't felt in a long, long time... or you can view it as the opposite, which is fine - but I find that scene in particular, if it did involve sex... would be seen as Shepard taking advantage, which isn't how I roleplayed or viewed that scene.  

 

So I think those type of scenes/interactions would be more than viable for Bioware to write, animate, etc.  

[BubbleDncr]

I think with the amount of race and gender gating this game probably already has, it would be too much to throw in companions who are romancable, but don't want to have sex. Too many people would be disappointed by that. 

 

But I have no issue with being able to complete a romance without having sex. Tho for certain companions - like Isabella - I don't think it would make sense, story wise. Maybe Iron Bull would fall into that category in this game. But I figure that's fine, cos I think all demographics will probably get at least 2 romance options, cos if one of them dumped you for not having sex, you'd still have someone else to turn to. 

 

So - I guess, player motivated asexual relationships I'm cool with, companion motivated ones, no. Simply cos it would limit everyone's options too much. 

[KainD]

You do realize that you made yourself look like an idiot, right?  

 

No, you are just different and you don't understand. We call same things with different names, or speak same names for different things. 

[spinachdiaper]

As long as there isn't a self-romancing option...sure

[Estelindis]

One thing I'd like to see more of in Bioware romances is the option to tell the significant other that you love them but want to wait until marriage to have sex.  I get that Bioware don't seem interested in writing marriage into romance plots generally, and that is fine - let them keep babies and marriage and such in the realm of fanfic, if that's what they want.  Just let there be a way to continue the romance while postponing sex, even if that means not including any sex (what with it being part of the post-game world of maybe-marriage).  That is, if it makes sense for the particular romanced character.  I know that not everyone is okay with waiting so long, or some others are just not interested in marriage at all.  If the protagonist asking the LI to wait would lead the romanced character to say "either sex is part of our relationship before marriage, or there is no relationship," so be it, with the protagonist either agreeing to end the relationship or compromising because they want to stay together.  Or, alternatively, the PC could propose to the LI and the LI could say that they didn't feel ready for marriage yet, or that the conflict at the heart of the current narrative didn't give time for marriage.

 

Even if it doesn't end up leading to a different result, for me it's important for a protagonist to have the option of expressing this preference.  I know that devs wince every time someone says something like this, but I think that it would only add a small number of lines to a romance conversation, which I don't think would take that long in the grand scheme of things.  

 

Not having it be an option makes me feel like the way of life that I choose is not seen as a valid option.  To be honest, I feel that if some other things that that rightly make it possible for people to play characters like themselves, like LGB romances, are included, then I don't see why it's such a crazy thing to include this too.  There are plenty of people out there who do not hate the idea of sex, who are quite looking forward to it, but who still want to wait.  There are many possible reasons for doing so, and all the ones that matter to me are very far from the kind of sex-shaming that I think people are afraid of when they condemn this option.  People like me may not be very PC, and there may be no inclusion points in the media generally for including us, but I'd like such a possibility to be included all the same.

 

Don't mean to hijack your post, OP.  Just thought that my perspective on this was tangentially related.

[synnerman]

Just to re-iterate something Gaider said:

The whole outing of the Tevinter mage was a response to a single question.  It was not a press release about the character's sexual orientation. The gaming media, and then the mainstream media ran way with it.

It wasn't for points. It was a statement in an interview that was given life of its own out of context of the interview.

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[andrastepreserveme]

I think the problem with asexual romance is that asexuality is a very personal

 

Some people who identify as asexual may enjoy kissing, others may not.

 

Some may enjoy romantic declarations, others may not.

 

Some may enjoy pleasuring a partner, but not receiving any sexual contact themselves.

 

Writing something that everyone would be happy with on all areas of the spectrum would surely be a lot of word budget, and not to mention incredibly difficult to write well.

 

I think the best option would be to have the possibility to say no to sex without ending the relationship, but lots of dialogue would be affected, surely? Would your companions have party banter about your noisy shenanigans if no such shenanigans occurred? What about a scenario such as the Dark Ritual? 

 

With the writers moving away from 'playersexual romance', would it even be appropriate to write an asexual option in for a character that is not asexual themselves?

 

It's clearly a tricky topic, but definitely interesting to consider. I wonder how it could work, and how it could be written well.

[Loup Blanc]

Non-sexual romance does exist. I experienced one myself.

 

In Dragon Age? Heck why not.

[Omikuji]

I am completely floored by how many people in this thread have posted completely rediculous things about asextuality and not having a bloody clue about it.

 

The concept seriously can't be that hard?

 

Why in the world is it offending some people that hey, there's people who don't want to have sex in a romantic relationship?

 

Some people don't like to have sex but like to still have a romance. A romance doesn't have to automatically mean kissing or physical contact. I have always wanted an asextual relationship in a game because I really loath how the end 'present' of the game is 'you get sex!'. It would be interesting to have a romance where the character has no interest in getting into your pants for a change, rather would like to be your companion and be close to the person, it opens entirely different ways to have a romance without having sex. It is always about having sex in these types of games, what I would agree with is that maybe a totally different type of romance would be interesting. It's different and can be challenging and interesting. Conversations, small acts like a hand hold or a hug at most, being able to just sit there and enjoy the presents of the other without having to stick each others tongues in their mouths or feel them up. I enjoy you, I love you, I want to be by your side, I want to not feel pressured to have sextual acts and just be able to relax besides you on a cold night without having sex or kissing.

 

This is amazing, I once took a social science class and we got to different types of sexuality. Homosextual? Aokay. The moment the concept of Asextual comes in? Everyone is completely baffled and can't understand it to the point they sit there claiming it's not a real thing. Meanwhile, as a person who is asextual I had a massive laugh at how on their high horses they were about it. It's ridiculous, it's reminding me so hard of this thread.

 

'I don't understand what's the point of this so I'll just hate it and say no!'

 

I don't care about representation, I would just like something entirely new to a romance situation. You can skip the sex, yes, but that's not the point. If a character went no I do not want to have sex please respect my choices when it comes to that, I bet there would be people frothing at the mouth but I would see it as omg there's actually a character who isn't focused on sex when it comes to being a romantic partner. Also, a totally new character type, where the writers can challenge themselves to create something new when it comes to romance. 

[snackrat]

In DAO, you can say no to sex and still continue the romance, I believe. But in DA2, you couldn't continue the romance storyline unless you went through with the romance scene.

...in fact, not only could you not PROGRESS the romance, the mere act of refusing would END it (under the banner of BETRAYAL etc etc). So your LI is getting some tail, like it or not.

[9TailsFox]

Asexual romance? Isabella  +200

[Felya87]

I'm all for the chance to refuse the sex scene without having to break the relationship...but I'm not for a totally asexual LI.

there was Sebastion and his "chaste marriage" that had that feeling of "crippled romance arc", and it wasn't very funny to me.

[Vapaa]

The concept seriously can't be that hard?

 

No, people are just dense like that.

 

Asexual romance? Isabella  +200

 

The true Isabela rivalmance.

[Krypplingz]

 

I'm all for the chance to refuse the sex scene without having to break the relationship...but I'm not for a totally asexual LI.

there was Sebastion and his "chaste marriage" that had that feeling of "crippled romance arc", and it wasn't very funny to me. 

 

I think Sebastian "crippled romance arc" came from the fact that he has far less conversations than any of the companions, rather than the lack of sex.

Spoiler

If he had a "start a relationship moment" after his questioning beliefs quests in act 3, where he visits the Hawke Manor to confess his feelings and propose marriage (either a chaste one or as a possible princess of Starkhaven), some Consoling words at the end of All that Remains (_{he's a priest, he should be used to consoling grieving people}) and maybe a hug before the Grand finale, the romance might have felt a bit more legitimate.

Otherwise, I'd like to try an asexual romance.  Or at least be able to deny sex and continue with the romance, either with the promise of it happening later or not at all. 

[Innsmouth Dweller]

I am completely floored by how many people in this thread have posted completely rediculous things about asextuality and not having a bloody clue about it.

 

The concept seriously can't be that hard? (...)

actually it is hard to grasp. what is asexuality anyway?

if i hate any physical/emotional contact from holding hands, kissing to talking (but i am physically attracted to my LI and enjoy the company, doing things together, killing dragons and such) am i asexual already or just plain old sociopath?

[BioticMarauder]

I am completely floored by how many people in this thread have posted completely rediculous things about asextuality and not having a bloody clue about it.

 

The concept seriously can't be that hard?

 

Why in the world is it offending some people that hey, there's people who don't want to have sex in a romantic relationship?

 

Some people don't like to have sex but like to still have a romance. A romance doesn't have to automatically mean kissing or physical contact. I have always wanted an asextual relationship in a game because I really loath how the end 'present' of the game is 'you get sex!'. It would be interesting to have a romance where the character has no interest in getting into your pants for a change, rather would like to be your companion and be close to the person, it opens entirely different ways to have a romance without having sex. It is always about having sex in these types of games, what I would agree with is that maybe a totally different type of romance would be interesting. It's different and can be challenging and interesting. Conversations, small acts like a hand hold or a hug at most, being able to just sit there and enjoy the presents of the other without having to stick each others tongues in their mouths or feel them up. I enjoy you, I love you, I want to be by your side, I want to not feel pressured to have sextual acts and just be able to relax besides you on a cold night without having sex or kissing.

 

This is amazing, I once took a social science class and we got to different types of sexuality. Homosextual? Aokay. The moment the concept of Asextual comes in? Everyone is completely baffled and can't understand it to the point they sit there claiming it's not a real thing. Meanwhile, as a person who is asextual I had a massive laugh at how on their high horses they were about it. It's ridiculous, it's reminding me so hard of this thread.

 

'I don't understand what's the point of this so I'll just hate it and say no!'

 

I don't care about representation, I would just like something entirely new to a romance situation. You can skip the sex, yes, but that's not the point. If a character went no I do not want to have sex please respect my choices when it comes to that, I bet there would be people frothing at the mouth but I would see it as omg there's actually a character who isn't focused on sex when it comes to being a romantic partner. Also, a totally new character type, where the writers can challenge themselves to create something new when it comes to romance. 

 

Sorry if I'm being rude and ignorant, but isn't that what best friends are for? A relationship without kissing, sex or any kind of physical contact but with a deep emotional attachment.

[andy6915]

...Right. So they should put in a sexuality that is more rare than any other sexuality humans have? Even pedophilia outnumbers asexuality, it would be represented before asexuality would. And considering no one wants pedophilia represented and will never happen, I think you can take a good guess what the odds are of this sexuality getting any representation at all.

 

Oh, and the guy on the first page who said that he thinks asexuals outnumber the gays and bisexuals of the world, and all the people who liked that post-

 

Oh joy, this topic again...
 
OP, I fully agree with you that people who are asexual, celibate, or just not interested in the romances for whatever reason need to be acknowledged by the game somehow, yet Bioware constantly rebuffs us. I'd wager that there are far more of us than LGBT gamers, and yet Bioware is going out of their way to cater to them. I've asked for things like this many times before. And guess what responses I always got? "Forever Alone" memes, pathetic jokes about doing things with my hand, crazy cat lady slurs, and endless more personal insults. Huh, and people here wonder why the romance-obsessed people on these forums have such a bad reputation elsewhere on the internet. Frankly, I take it all with stride, because I see it as a pathetic defensive reaction from them.

 

You're just flat out delusional. You think the number of people totally uninterested in sex outnumber gays? Gays are at least 10% of the entire population. You really think more than 10% of the entire human species are asexual? Nuts.

[Artemis Leonhart]

Sorry if I'm being rude and ignorant, but isn't that what best friends are for? A relationship without kissing, sex or any kind of physical contact but with a deep emotional attachment.

No. It's not the same thing. You don't love your friends like you love your romantic partners, do you? And there are people who, shocking as it may sound, love their partners but don't feel the need to get intimate with them. It doesn't mean that they're not in love with them, or that they are sharing just a "deep friendship".
There are things you wouldn't necessarily say or talk about or do with your friends, but you would with your partners.
Asexual romance and friendship are not the same thing.

[Omikuji]

actually it is hard to grasp. what is asexuality anyway?

if i hate any physical/emotional contact from holding hands, kissing to talking (but i am physically attracted to my LI and enjoy the company, doing things together, killing dragons and such) am i asexual already or just plain old sociopath?

I am an asextual person who doesn't find anyone physically attractive in a way that would make me want to kiss/have sex with them. That's it. That's what an asextual person is, a person who isn't interested in the physical aspect of a relationship, but rather is attracted to the person in a different way (IE the charisma between talking to each other and doing things together

 

Where in the world does sociopath come in when talking about asextuality? A sociopath is a person who lacks a sense of morality or generally social issues like anti social. An asextual person in the most basic of things is a person who doesn't like to have sex/physical relationship. I can't even begin to figure out where the connection is between those two XD

 

Sorry if I'm being rude and ignorant, but isn't that what best friends are for? A relationship without kissing, sex or any kind of physical contact but with a deep emotional attachment.

It's not the same thing. Oh, Antanie pretty much said what I was going to say.