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[SerCambria358]

Almost every blood mage can control demons but only small numbers of them and weaker in ranks. Torning veil is is suicidal there is no power that allow you control entire army of demons unless they would bring out creature like demon king or lord.Pretty much as trailers said many times eh i won't repeat it...

 

Torning the veil is stupid unless you are demon that would have sense.

 

But i see that you are ignoring what i say i don't know their plan but if it involves riping veil it is suicadal and stupid not mention that i said i hope it isn't in case but as far it seems to be which you as well ignore.As far it seems that it is repat from da 2...

Im not ignoring what you're saying, what you've said just doesnt change the point im making, which is that you're calling something stupid and saying it should be changed with no knowledge of the actual plan.

 

You may think its suicidal but you have no idea what they have planned or if tearing the veil will unleash the messiah they keep chanting about, we simply dont know anything beyond that so why call it stupid? Thats ignorance

[TheKomandorShepard]

Im not ignoring what you're saying, what you've said just doesnt change the point im making, which is that you're calling something stupid and saying it should be changed with no knowledge of the actual plan.

 

You may think its suicidal but you have no idea what they have planned or if tearing the veil will unleash the messiah they keep chanting about, we simply dont know anything beyond that so why call it stupid? Thats ignorance

Because open portal to another dimension where live undetermined numbers of unstoppable creatures that destroy everything on their way and are responsible for most destructive disasters in thedas is very stupid idea that will lead to end of the world which pretty much we have to stop and is point of entire game?

[SerCambria358]

Because open portal to another dimension where live undetermined numbers of unstoppable creatures that destroy everything on their way and are responsible for most destructive disasters in thedas is very stupid idea that will lead to end of the world which pretty much we have to stop and is point of entire game?

 

 

Im beginning to think you dont understand what the word "stupid" means, judging by your posts it doesnt seem english is your first language either. 

 

"Stupid-lacking intelligence or common sense" If they remain unharmed from demons, then the world being killed off by demons would not be a concern therefore it isnt stupid and thats not including the possibility of this overlord/messiah coming into play.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Im beginning to think you dont understand what the word "stupid" means what you think it means, judging by your posts it doesnt seem english is your first language either. 

 

"Stupid-lacking intelligence or common sense" If remain unharmed from demons, then the world being killed off by demons would not be a concern therefore it isnt stupid and thats not including the possibility of this overlord/messiah coming into play.

Well i can argue with that if you see open portal to world with destructive super powerful monsters as common sense well i can only say...

 

LoL entire point of circles are to prevent such situation and even tevinter gets that and common sense....

 

If my messiah is nuke blowing it up is common sense?

[SerCambria358]

Well i can argue with that if you see open portal to world with destructive super powerful monsters as common sense well i can only say...

 

LoL entire point of circles are to prevent such situation and even tevinter gets that and common sense....

 

If my messiah is nuke blowing it up is common sense?

You're confusing evil, immoral, and unethical with stupid. Just because a certain action or goal is selfish, doesnt make it stupid. Smart individuals rob innocent people all the time, that doesnt make them or their plan stupid, it makes them sick and evil.

 

You've now confirmed that you dont know what "stupid" means

[TheKomandorShepard]

You're confusing evil, immoral, and unethical with stupid. Just because a certain action or goal is selfish, doesnt make it stupid. Smart individuals rob innocent people all the time, that doesnt make them or their plan stupid, it makes them sick and evil.

 

You've now confirmed that you dont know what "stupid" means

immoral would be act against morality and being immoral doesn't mean that you open portals that will end to the end of the world usually sane peoples but amoral chase things for own profit but firing nukes all over world isn't evil it is nuts. You can be "evil" you can be "good" but even magisters know that demons in thedas are rather bad news and thats why they have circles as well.

 

As i said if you see torning veil as sane idea well...

[SerCambria358]

immoral would be act against morality and being immoral doesn't mean that you open portals that will end to the end of the world usually sane peoples but amoral chase things for own profit but firing nukes all over world isn't evil it is nuts. You can be "evil" you can be "good" but even magisters know that demons in thedas are rather bad news and thats why they have circles as well.

 

As i said if you see torning veil as sane idea well...

 

How many times do i have to say, its not insane if they have control over the demons, from what we know they seem to be working along side them and having no issues doing so. You have no information to say otherwise so trying to say its insane is again, ignorance because you have no support to that claim.

 

Just because no one has done it before doesnt make the plan suicidal, you know nothing about their capabilities so why conclude that they cant successfully pull it off without killing themselves in the process.

 

You're claiming its insane because you keep insisting that they cant pull off their goal without being harmed themselves, im assuming you must have played the game then because otherwise thats just an assumption that you're passing as fact...again

 

and its "tearing" not "torning" 

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

How many times do i have to say, its not insane if they have control over the demons, from what we know they seem to be working along side them and having no issues doing so. You have no information to say otherwise so trying to say its insane is again, ignorance because you have no support to that claim.

 

Just because no one has done it before doesnt make the plan suicidal, you know nothing about their capabilities so why conclude that they cant successfully pull it off without killing themselves in the process.

 

You're claiming its insane because you keep insisting that they cant pull off their goal without being harmed themselves, im assuming you must have played the game then because otherwise thats just an assumption that you're passing as fact...again

 

and its "tearing" not "torning" 

I love when you yell that i operate on assumptions when you doing that yourself saying that they control demons basing on 1 demon shown in demo...

 

As i said opening portal to the dimension with superpowerful hostile creatures because you think that one of that creatures is messiah is nuts as cultist from dao were... There will never be ensurance that you will be ok if you open portal to world with... see above what their "messiah" told him yeah lets open veil because demon tells me that he won't hurt me i mean it is always great idea to trust creatures in the fade wait ... great idea no it doesn't make it better.

[SerCambria358]

I love when you yell that i operate on assumptions when you doing that yourself saying that they control demons basing on 1 demon shown in demo...

 

As i said opening portal to the dimension with superpowerful hostile creatures because you think that one of that creatures is messiah is nuts as cultist from dao were... There will never be ensurance that you will be ok if you open portal to world with... see above what their "messiah" told him yeah lets open veil because demon tells me that he won't hurt me i mean it is always great idea to trust creatures in the fade wait ... great idea no it doesn't make it better.

No, my assumptions are backed by in gamecontent, your assumptions are made only because you dont think its logical otherwise, then from their you conclude that its impossible otherwise despite not knowing their capabilities.

 

Now you're assuming that their cant ever be assurance of being safe with demons, despite again not knowing what the ventori have in store, assumption on top of assumption with nothing to support it. Mages have been successful in the past, i dont see why a cult from tevinter can under no circumstances pull of such a feat.

 

All this because you cant admit that their is a possibility that the Venatori know what they're doing

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, my assumptions are backed by in gamecontent, your assumptions are made only because you dont think its logical otherwise, then from their you conclude that its impossible otherwise despite not knowing their capabilities.

 

Now you're assuming that their cant ever be assurance of being safe with demons, despite again not knowing what the ventori have in store, assumption on top of assumption with nothing to support it. Mages have been successful in the past, i dont see why a cult from tevinter can under no circumstances pull of such a feat.

 

All this because you cant admit that their is a possibility that the Venatori know what they're doing

LoL where the hell you have information that mages ruled demons in the past? In fact most of cases was tragedy when to comes to dealing with demons.

As i said it is simple not posssible to control all demons well in fact even strongest blood mages can't force such demons like pride demons into submission not mention entire fade...

 

As i said even tevinter magisters are sane enough to not mess with veil we pretty much know how that went first time when they just went to the fade not mention crush veil... 

 

it is like give children matches even worse but it is gentle example and i hope i don't have to tell why it is dumb idea?

[DKJaigen]

LoL where the hell you have information that mages ruled demons in the past? In fact most of cases was tragedy when to comes to dealing with demons.

As i said it is simple not posssible to control all demons well in fact even strongest blood mages can't force such demons like pride demons into submission not mention entire fade...

 

As i said even tevinter magisters are sane enough to not mess with veil we pretty much know how that went first time when they just went to the fade not mention crush veil... 

 

Well these guys obviously can control demons. also they are responsible for the mage-templar war , orlesian civil war and the destruction of chantry leadership all without revealing themselves, these guys are not to be taken lightly.

 

everything they have shown so far shows remarkable intelligence and cunning coupled with large amount of connections and resources . The viddatori are likely a mere pawn to them.

[SerCambria358]

LoL where the hell you have information that mages ruled demons in the past? In fact most of cases was tragedy when to comes to dealing with demons.

As i said it is simple not posssible to control all demons well in fact even strongest blood mages can't force such demons like pride demons into submission not mention entire fade...

 

As i said even tevinter magisters are sane enough to not mess with veil we pretty much know how that went first time when they just went to the fade not mention crush veil... 

I never said they controlled all demons, i said they've been able to control individual ones.

 

If thats possible, why is it far fetched to believe that the venatori have a unique ability to control them?

 

You're saying Tevinter cant control them completely therefore it isnt possible, thats one broad sweeping assumption based on ignorance. The main point of all this is that you said they're stupid, because their plan will kill everyone themselves included, my point is that you dont know their capabilities so why just assume that? You've done nothing to support your claim and in the process proved that you dont know the definition of stupid.

 

Why do you refuse to believe they cant control demons? Do you just not want to be wrong?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well these guys obviously can control demons. also they are responsible for the mage-templar war , orlesian civil war and the destruction of chantry leadership all without revealing themselves, these guys are not to be taken lightly

Every (well almost) blood mage can. How do you know that they are responsible for that(where it was said)?

 

 

 

I never said they controlled all demons, i said they've been able to control individual ones.

 

If thats possible, why is it far fetched to believe that the venatori have a unique ability to control them?

 

You're saying Tevinter cant control them completely therefore it isnt possible, thats one broad sweeping assumption based on ignorance. The main point of all this is that you said they're stupid, because their plan will kill everyone themselves included, my point is that you dont know their capabilities so why just assume that? You've done nothing to support your claim and in the process proved that you dont know the definition of stupid.

 

Why do you refuse to believe they cant control demons? Do you just not want to be wrong?

 

So i misunderstood you (but is isn't unique) but as i said unless they would control every of them and it is doubtfull if they could it would be ass pull it will be always suicidal scenario.

 

No tevinter can't control demon (well all demons) but they can control weaker demons well not only them but blood mages in general and it isn't news .

[MisterJB]

Except not all of them are mages.

All those we've seen who were not mages were slaves.

[Hellion Rex]

All those we've seen who were not mages were slaves.

How would you know? We know jack sh*t about the Venatori.

[SerCambria358]

So i misunderstood you (but is isn't unique) but as i said unless they would control every of them and it is doubtfull if they could it would be ass pull it will be always suicidal scenario.

No tevinter can't control demon (well all demons) but they can control weaker demons well not only them but blood mages in general and it isn't news .

You ignored the question, why is it so far fetched to believe that the Venatori have some unique ability to completely control demons on sight? Why do you dismiss any possibility that through some unknown circumstance they have the ability to dominate demons?

It would make sense in accordance to what we've seen and what we know of their plan so what is wrong with accepting that possibility instead of just blatantly calling them stupid due to your own ignorance?

[MisterJB]

How would you know? We know jack sh*t about the Venatori.

Because there's a concept art of the Venatori's sword wielding soldiers right beside a description of how Tevinter still openly practices slavery in "The World of Thedas".

 

Besides, they're wearing an helmet held together by a huge keyhole; implying they can't remove it if they want to; and nothing else, no armor. What free soldier would accept going to war naked?

[KC_Prototype]

We also see a Tevinter soldier in the Fem Qunari demo. Whatever the Venatori want, it doesn't sound good. And does anyone want to speculate on why they kidnapped Leliana?

[TheKomandorShepard]

You ignored the question, why is it so far fetched to believe that the Venatori have some unique ability to completely control demons on sight? Why do you dismiss any possibility that through some unknown circumstance they have the ability to dominate demons?

It would make sense in accordance to what we've seen and what we know of their plan so what is wrong with accepting that possibility instead of just blatantly calling them stupid due to your own ignorance?

Oh god like to the wall... as i said if they have it is ass pull nothing more even tevinter in full prime couldn't control demons at full you can control demon i will tell that 1 last time you need huge power and blood magic that allows to control it at that to just control few weak demons other look avernus or ulrded how it ends.

 

You can as well ask how do i know they can't fly or they aren't kryptonians...

 

it all that need to be said...

 

 

 

We also see a Tevinter soldier in the Fem Qunari demo. Whatever the Venatori want, it doesn't sound good. And does anyone want to speculate on why they kidnapped Leliana?

Well im rather intrested with their connection with red templars it seems that both have some involvement with red lyrium. Well one article says that she is send infiltrate them (you can send someone else with other result) and she got captured. Of course if article is about her then she apparently develops hatred toward mages.

[Reznore57]

During their appearance in the PAX demo last year some of the warriors had combat barks like "He will rise!", which perhaps suggests a connection to an ancient magister or some other Big Bad.

 

I suspect Dorian is closely tied to the Venatori plot, given they both come from Tevinter.

 

It's possible , they want to save an old god.

The culture in Tevinter is different when it comes to them.

They were really powerful when they were worshipping dragons , that's when they were an Empire.

 

In the comics :

 Titus is aware , there is still great power in dragon blood.That's why he wanted Marric .

 

Besides , we still don't know exactly why , the old magisters went to the Golden city.Corypheus said they were looking for the "light".

Even Morrigan and Flemeth are willing to save dragons/old gods.

I'm sure they all have different agenda , but I think we're missing important pieces of information about dragons and the nature of magic.

[SerCambria358]

Oh god like to the wall... as i said if they have it is ass pull nothing more even tevinter in full prime couldn't control demons at full you can control demon i will tell that 1 last time you need huge power and blood magic that allows to control it at that to just control few weak demons other look avernus or ulrded how it ends.

 

You can as well ask how do i know they can't fly or they aren't kryptonians...

 

it all that need to be said...

Alright number one i dont know if prolonged exposure to english starts to wear at your ability to speak it because im starting to not follow certain sentences

 

Second of all and i think the third time i've said this, why does tevinters abilities conclude that it's impossible? Im not talking about magic skill, their are plenty of factors beyond that, that can contribute to their ability to control demons, tevinter is irrelevant. Who's to say there isnt an artifact that can allows instant dominance such as the amulet seen in the demo. There are plenty of possibilities but you keep concluding that there is no way they can pull off such a feat if tevinter isnt able to

 

You mock me by saying its like talking to a wall yet im the one who's forced to repeat myself every single time because you arent understanding the point. If english truly isnt your first language, that might be a factor in your inability to comprehend what im saying

[EmperorSahlertz]

Because there's a concept art of the Venatori's sword wielding soldiers right beside a description of how Tevinter still openly practices slavery in "The World of Thedas".

 

Besides, they're wearing an helmet held together by a huge keyhole; implying they can't remove it if they want to; and nothing else, no armor. What free soldier would accept going to war naked?

Most barbarian tribes in Northeren and western europe... Armour is expensive.

 

We don't REALLY know wether or not they are slaves, fanatics, drugged, or just plain crazy. So refrain from making unsupported claims and pass them off as facts.

[SerCambria358]

Most barbarian tribes in Northeren and western europe... Armour is expensive.

 

We don't REALLY know wether or not they are slaves, fanatics, drugged, or just plain crazy. So refrain from making unsupported claims and pass them off as facts.

Probably the biggest issue when debating on the BSN

[MisterJB]

Most barbarian tribes in Northeren and western europe... Armour is expensive.

 

We don't REALLY know wether or not they are slaves, fanatics, drugged, or just plain crazy. So refrain from making unsupported claims and pass them off as facts.

They would wear clothing, at the very least. Not go to a fight stark naked with just the essentials to not shock the audience.

 

And fine, I can't say with 100% certainty that they are slaves. But given the association of their concept art with slavery plus the fact that they appear to be effectively chained to their helmets, I believe there is a very, very good possibility that they are slaves.

[The Baconer]

The dudes who walk in after bodying Iron Bull and Sera certainly weren't naked.

 

Not to say that they aren't slaves, but still.