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[Melcolloien]

This is a topic that has been discussed A LOT.

And it will continue to be discussed A LOT.

So there is just simply too many threads about this...

 

So, instead of going through hundreds, if not thousands; of pages I'm starting a new thread with my thoughts.

 

I really want more dept in the relationships - and no, not like a medieval fantasy dating sim thing.

But in all of them, even those that don't turn into a romance.

 

But, in romances, I would like for all the companions to be available as an LI BUT; not in every playthrough.

 

Just hear me out and let me have your opinions on this

 

Let's say that you play as a Male Human Mage and that immediately eliminates the Iron Bull and Sera as LI's because since the Iron Bull is a Qunari he don't trust mages at all and therefore never can look at you in that way and  let's say that Sera is a lesbian and won't fall for you since you are a man.

Then the choices you made in character creation eliminates two possible LI's - for this playthrough.

 

And later, you keep going against the Chantry for example; and by doing that you lose Cassandra and/or Vivienne - for this I would like something like the hardening in DA:O that if you do certain things you can alter their view on the world and therefore something what would be a dealbreaker may not be so.

Do I make any sense?
I want some more dept and realism in the relationships and I want my actions and choices to really matter.  

These are just my thoughts. I think it might be too much to hope for, at least for this game.
Maybe in the next?

[DrBlingzle]

I very much like the idea of certain actions cutting potential romances off ("Hey Cullen I just killed your family, destroyed all the templars and let blood mage apostates rule orlais. Wanna bang?"). However I dont like the idea of choices in CC cutting off options (unless its gender) like classes and races.

[Melcolloien]

That was an easy example - I don't Think that either unless there's a reeeaaaally good reason in that companions backstory.
But like I said, it was an easy example to make.
To narrow it down a bit.
So that one or two in the gang is not available from the start - Sera if you play as a man for example.

And yeah xD That's what I'm talking about. It's annoying in Origins. You can basically ****** the LI off and do all the bad choices as long as you give them gifts...(Especially if you have the feastday pranks DLC) Choices and your characters personality should matter.

And I would like it if companions showed an interest in you depending on the choices you make, not just the ones you flirt with.
And I would like to be able to flirt with the "wrong" companion and have the turn you down because they are/are not gay as an example. That's simply how love works. Not all people you find attractive feels the same about you and vice versa.

[Hizoku]

I like the idea, anything that adds to the romance element of any rpg is good in my books.  Who doesn't love a good romance? or as is the case in most video games, a good sub-par romance.

Race/Gender/Class should definitely have more of an impact when it comes to the protagonist's relationship with other npc's, just as we learned on the BSN that there are people that have certain ideals and preferences that not everyone agrees with, it'd make sense if some of the companions and main npc's also had certain ideals and preferences that would affect the way they'd react to the protagonist depending on Race,Gender,Class,etc.

[TheWhitefire]

Yeah, one annoying thing about BGII was that no one would romance halflings, dwarves, half-orcs, and only one character would romance women and one character would romance Gnomes. 

 

That said, I liked having the 'flirt' option, because I apparently I ninjamanced like half the characters in my crew in Mass Effect II just from talking to them a lot. That was kinda really annoying. Having Mordin turn me down was both awkward and embarassing.

[Mes]

Having Mordin turn me down was both awkward and embarassing.

 

   That was supposed to be awkward. I actually really enjoyed that. It was surprising and so silly. Mordin, that self absorbed ******.  

[Monthar]

I'd like to see date nights with you LI before the sex scene. I'd also like social gatherings with one or more companions to unwind a bit between quests, main chapter events, etc. Anything from drinks at the local pub, to chatting around the campfire while traveling, to sparring/target practice.

 

It's nice that we have been able to give the companions gifts, but I'd like them to give my character a gift as well.

[Eveangaline]

Consequences to relationships? I'd like to accidentally knock up Iron Bull (Qunari biology, who'd have guessed?)

[Melcolloien]

It's nice to see I'm not alone in this.
I also feel that a relationship with one character should influence  a relationship with one other or others.

Maybe not " Oh well if you are friends with the Iron Bull then I'm leaving!" or "If you are in love with him instead of me then I hate you."

But maybe open up for certain dialouges or something.
God, I really feel like I'm not getting my point out there - I have a fever and I'm not completely right in the head at the moment..But if I make any sense than good.
If not, I'm sorry

[Rahelron]

I'm a total advocate of having to fight and sweat to gain the love of the one you chose.

 

In DA it was too easy: did your companion like you? Did you ****** him off? It was the same because you could rival-romance him/her.

And what about having to try hard to get laid? You just had to click the flirt button when it appeared on the dialogue wheel and it was done. Cheap.

 

I hope we get better rimances mechanics this time.

[HuldraDancer]

It's nice to see I'm not alone in this.
I also feel that a relationship with one character should influence  a relationship with one other or others.

Maybe not " Oh well if you are friends with the Iron Bull then I'm leaving!" or "If you are in love with him instead of me then I hate you."

But maybe open up for certain dialouges or something.
God, I really feel like I'm not getting my point out there - I have a fever and I'm not completely right in the head at the moment..But if I make any sense than good.
If not, I'm sorry

 

You mean something like in DAO where if you romance Alistair then Morrigan might casually talk about how she assumes the sex is good since she doubts he has any other appealing qualities? Or something more along the lines of Alistair getting upset if your friends with him and your with Morrigan romantically or Wynne trying to warn you away from having a relationship with anyone?

 

I do hope that relationships are impacted by choices as long as its not to the point where I'm acting like a babysitter trying to calm the whining children down. I'm not crazy about race restrictions though or gender but I can live with gender restrictions I can't with race ones though. I also hope if the option arises that people who choose to pursue more than one romance at the same time get either a confrontation, jealous banter or a fight. (I was waiting the entire ME3 game to see Garrus and Kaidan at least have some banter about it only to end up disappointed) A minor detail but the little things add up and flavor the game even more right?

[Melcolloien]

Yes, something like that.

And yes, I would love to see some actual consequenses from cheating, more than just minus in approval

[Inquisitor7]

I'd like to see date nights with you LI before the sex scene. I'd also like social gatherings with one or more companions to unwind a bit between quests, main chapter events, etc. Anything from drinks at the local pub, to chatting around the campfire while traveling, to sparring/target practice.

It's nice that we have been able to give the companions gifts, but I'd like them to give my character a gift as well.

I completely agree with everything you said. It would be nice to get a gift back from characters maybe a rose or armor or weapons ect....

[HuldraDancer]

Yes, something like that.

And yes, I would love to see some actual consequenses from cheating, more than just minus in approval

 

Agreed but I'd hate to see them leave the party over something like that after all we are trying to save the world from the Fade itself it would be silly if they left the party because the PC couldn't keep to their own bedroll. Now if the PC kept doing horrible things that they disagreed with that's fine but cheating is a small offense in comparison. Would be nice too that if you did cheat some of the companions would forgive you and some of them wouldn't but the ones that did wouldn't forgive you right away you'd have to earn that.

[Monthar]

The choose me or her/him we got from LI's in ME was an ok start for dealing with trying to romance multiple LI's at the same time. The ideas of having some forgive or not forgive the cheating are also good. What about also having the possibility that two or three of the LI's would agree to a menage a trois or even a foursome if these were the LI's being romanced at the time? After all, we've already seen heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual options in Bioware games, so now they could add the polyamorous option.

[schall_und_rauch]

I completely agree with everything you said. It would be nice to get a gift back from characters maybe a rose or armor or weapons ect....

I got a ring from Morrigan, delivered in the usual Morrigan way. It turned out to be quite significant. And of course I kept it for witch hunts ending.

[schall_und_rauch]

What about also having the possibility that two or three of the LI's would agree to a menage a trois or even a foursome if these were the LI's being romanced at the time? After all, we've already seen heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual options in Bioware games, so now they could add the polyamorous option.

I am pretty sure David Gaider mentioned in the past that having to keep track of a polyamorous relationship would create an endless headache of branching conversation trees and the difficulty and overhead was just not worth the benefit.

 

To him, it was not so much an ideological but a budgetary choice.

[Melcolloien]

I can understand that. I guess that's why we eventually aways reach the "pick me or him/her".

 

But I would like the option for just casual sex as well, for those who don't want to play a full relationship.

[robertthebard]

Yeah, one annoying thing about BGII was that no one would romance halflings, dwarves, half-orcs, and only one character would romance women and one character would romance Gnomes. 
 
That said, I liked having the 'flirt' option, because I apparently I ninjamanced like half the characters in my crew in Mass Effect II just from talking to them a lot. That was kinda really annoying. Having Mordin turn me down was both awkward and embarassing.

I thought it was hilarious, if it was a bit awkward.

[HuldraDancer]

I can understand that. I guess that's why we eventually aways reach the "pick me or him/her".

 

But I would like the option for just casual sex as well, for those who don't want to play a full relationship.

 

Agreed bonus points for the paraphrasing to not screw you over when you just want casual and extra points if your allowed to make it clear up front your not interested in a relationship up front instead of leading them on then just walking out (of course the option to do that if the player wants too would be great as well)

 

And please no ninjamancing just by being nice to party members I'm looking at you Ashley Williams and Alistair

[Melcolloien]

If anyone was ninjamanced it was Leliana!
In one playthrough I had to break up with her FOUR times! Without ever choosing to flirt with her. I was clearly only with Alistair from beginning to end.

"But all those things you said to me" uuuuuuugh

At one point, when she brought up that the stars were out (again) I simply chose "So, go help Alistair make dinner!"
And the next time I was in camp:
"You and Alistair?!" and I had to break up with her...again.

 

Can we please be able to be nice to our companions and build friendships and have a clear romance path?
I don't mind if they fall for you based on actions (oooh you saved that child that is so heroic) and gives you the option to let them down easy and only once.

And not that a romance is initiated so you have to end it - but that they simply might show an interest in you.

[HuldraDancer]

I've never had that problem with Leliana before only Alistair I had to break up with him several times during my CE playthrough and even after I broke up with him and tried to marry him to Anroa he started going on about 'us' there is no us your delusional man stop imagining things! Thats why whenever I play as a woman who isn't romancing him I just give him a gift once in a while to keep his approval up and don't speak to him unless I have too, oh and I got ninjamanced by Morrigan once but I'm not sure how.

 

As much flak as DA2 seems to get I liked that they had the giant glowing heart for flirt options (even if some of the things meant to be flirts were stupid like teaching Fenris how to read) it saved a lot of time and prevented ninjamancing. Them doing some light flirting to show an interest in you would be nice like they're testing the waters and you can either politely or rudely turn it down (or however you feel your character would turn them down) and hopefully they don't get super whiny about it but instead act like an adult. I don't know about them falling for you do to your actions though I don't want to have to keep turning someone down because I'm doing things in character and from the little we do know I'm not sure any of the companions would get all jellied knee at the actions of the PC impressed though I can see but probably not gain a romantic interest from it alone.

[Melcolloien]

I may have simplyfied it a bit Yes, to have them fall for you only because of certain actions would be annoying, but I am thinking that if I continue to side with the chantry, that might cause Cullen, Vivienne and Cassandra become interested and, like you said; test the water a bit and flirt with you.

And maybe you have to try a little harder with others, like Solas whom I imagine would be more anti-circle.

[HuldraDancer]

Ah that makes more sense then, so long as they don't assume that they are with the PC so long as they agree with them on things then I think that would be pretty cool though now that makes me want the option to debate with companions that disagree with you like trying to change their mind while they are trying to change yours or something. I'm not sure how to explain it its nearly 4 am over here and I'm half asleep so I apologize if what I just said made no sense what so ever ^^;