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[Exaltation]

Well everything is expensive where i live lol.

[Exaltation]

4GB RAM is the minimum in some of the new games,making 32bit(86x) OS obsolete if you plan on running the games on max settings.

[DisturbedJim83]

Bullshit.

 

Correct me if I didn't, but I think I had covered that tidbit of misinformation in this thread already.

Here is the minimum specs for the Hanger module of Star Citizen 

Windows 7 or 8 64-bit Dual Core CPU Intel: Core2 Duo 2.4Ghz / AMD: Phenom X2 8GB of RAM NVidia Geforce 460GTX/AMD Radeon HD5850 DirectX 11. 1

The point I'm making is that the average O.S uses about 1GB RAM and a average modern game around 2-3GBso theres 4GB already and if you want smooth performance and can't afford a high end GPU you definately do not want to be maxing out your RAM, like anything else its always better to have some headroom and the more the better.I can easily get by on the 16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 2400Mhz that I have however I'll be upping it to 32GB so its one less thing I have to upgrade later allowing me to dedicate more of my future finance to other components, I'm getting a 1300W PSU for the same reason its better to only have to replace a component once every 6yrs as opposed to replacing it twice or more in the same time period.

 

I always plan my rig with longevity and horsepower in mind so right now 2 R9 290's is likely overkill however it'll give enough horsepower to play the lastest games at decent quality settings for likely the next 4-5yrs 

[Wulfram]

Buying a new 4GB machine for gaming wouldn't make much sense, but it'll still run most games if it's what your existing PC has.

[Pateu]

i7 4770

2gb GTX770

16gb system RAM

 

Now, I play Skyrim with fairly intensive graphic mods (ENBs, enhanced textures, etc), and I'm disappointed to say that it chugs a bit.

 

How the hell do you get laggy FPS with that thing?

[DisturbedJim83]

 

How the hell do you get laggy FPS with that thing?

 

I play my Skyrim with all of Cabal's AMB Texture packs and a whole bunch of weapon/armor mods and with Vsync off my single R9 290 gets 257FPS max on ultra settings at 1920x1080, with Vsync on its caps at 62FPS drops to 48FPS at the lowest around whiterun 

[Bfler]

 

How the hell do you get laggy FPS with that thing?

 

 

Maybe no SSD.

[AlexJK]

The point I'm making is that the average O.S uses about 1GB RAM and a average modern game around 2-3GBso theres 4GB already and if you want smooth performance and can't afford a high end GPU you definately do not want to be maxing out your RAM, like anything else its always better to have some headroom and the more the better. I can easily get by on the 16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 2400Mhz that I have however I'll be upping it to 32GB so its one less thing I have to upgrade later allowing me to dedicate more of my future finance to other components, I'm getting a 1300W PSU for the same reason its better to only have to replace a component once every 6yrs as opposed to replacing it twice or more in the same time period.

Dude. By all means enjoy your crazy expensive PC, but please don't suggest to people that the only way they can possibly get decent performance is to spend thousands of dollars or pounds, and an arm and a leg too. You do not need 16GB RAM in a gaming PC; you certainly don't need 32. Yes, RAM is cheap enough at the moment that throwing an extra few GB in doesn't usually break the budget (and surplus memory is useful for plenty of non-gaming applications), but performance-wise there are diminishing returns above "enough for the OS and the game to run".
 

I always plan my rig with longevity and horsepower in mind so right now 2 R9 290's is likely overkill however it'll give enough horsepower to play the lastest games at decent quality settings for likely the next 4-5yrs

Ah, but that's a slippery slope. If you want the kind of hardware that lets you use crazy super extra ultra settings now, you're not going to accept "decent" in 4-5 years; you'll need new hardware all over again!

[archav3n]

RAM comes pretty cheap nowadays even the performance RAM at least in my country. The most expensive hardware is the GPU. IF M$ would have focused on PC years ago, PC wouldn't be that far away.

[LEXX]

Aye, those 10 year old PCs are yours though. You bought them, and you used them. You know their datadrives aren't infected with malware and you know your hardware is functional as you (hopefully) treated it correctly.

 

 

None of that is guaranteed if you buy a used PC.

 

 

Just to make my point clear, it is a common (!!!) tactic for shady people to sell purposefully compromised PCs for cheap to catch hapless people who don't know what to look for. So they are all happy they got a good PC for dirt cheap ... and all the while feeding data like credit card details and internet login data to some criminal who deliberately planted malware hidden away in the PC he sold them. That's a worst case scenario.

 

You can get the same result if the previous owner simply wasn't strong on internet security.

 

Or you buy a PC from someone who genuinely thought he did nothing wrong with the PC, but didn't know better and just sold you a PC whose hardware is close to going up in smoke because he really liked playing demanding games in summer with inadequate cooling, adding significant stress to components like the CPU, GPU and/or PSU. Sure, he didn't mean to sell you a soon-to-be broken product, but he did it anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is, there are soo many things that can go terribly wrong with second-hand PCs (or just PC parts) and if you buy them second hand, there is no manufacturer guarantee you can rely on, or little jurisdictional help you can expect if someone privately sold you a faulty PC (because second hand sells are private sells, even if they are brokered by well known websites, important to remember) as the only thing you can hope in a case of defunct stuff is the previous owner is going to refund you. And if he doesn't want to, there's no ToS and customer service you can rely on. The only thing you can do if the seller isn't doing what you want is to try and sue him.

 

 

So you tell me for those who can't afford a brand new computer?  A used computer is the way the only way to go and some risk you have to take.  No one ask the buyer to be stupid when buying a used items.  There sites that people sell new items in box and used items for sale and they have been member of certain site(s) for years so there are trusted sellers.  You ask questions and know your stuff before buying.  Know about the warranty expiery on certain parts if it's a yr old computer.  I have sold and bought lots of used electronics and items and nothing been wrong so far.  Nobody is saying to buy a more than 5 yrs old computer.  There are parts that is less than a couple months old and sold for like $100 off from $200.  It could be the seller needed the money and is willing to take that much off.  I have to sold my $400 HTPC for $200 because people weren't buying it at $300 or certain range and it's only a yr old.  You will know when you start selling your items cheaper than you think not because you are being shady but because no one is taking the bait because they know the risk of buying used items so when the price is right people will be willing to plunge into and take that risk.

[Aaleel]

Whenever someone asks my advice about building PC I tell them the same thing, if you're going to build a PC for gaming the one thing not to cheap out on in the beginning is the CPU/Motherboard combo. You can't put any CPU in any motherboard so get one that will last a while.

RAM, GPU (video cards), SSD, Power Supplies, etc can all be swapped out with minimal effort when you need to upgrade later.

If you go cheap and get a CPU that's outdated, or will soon be outdated and have to change it, you're starting over and basically building a new PC again. You would have to get a new motherboard and CPU, it may take different RAM, you have to reinstall the operating system anytime you switch a motherboard. It's just a lot to be doing soon after you built the PC.

Even if you get a powerful GPU it won't make a difference because the low end CPU won't allow the card to reach anywhere near it's full potential (bottleneck).

As far as RAM, at most 8GB is all you need, 4GB will probably be fine, no need for 16GB let alone 32GB.

Just my 2 cents.

[DisturbedJim83]

Whenever someone asks my advice about building PC I tell them the same thing, if you're going to build a PC for gaming the one thing not to cheap out on in the beginning is the CPU/Motherboard combo. You can't put any CPU in any motherboard so get one that will last a while.

RAM, GPU (video cards), SSD, Power Supplies, etc can all be swapped out with minimal effort when you need to upgrade later.

If you go cheap and get a CPU that's outdated, or will soon be outdated and have to change it, you're starting over and basically building a new PC again. You would have to get a new motherboard and CPU, it may take different RAM, you have to reinstall the operating system anytime you switch a motherboard. It's just a lot to be doing soon after you built the PC.

Even if you get a powerful GPU it won't make a difference because the low end CPU won't allow the card to reach anywhere near it's full potential (bottleneck).

As far as RAM, at most 8GB is all you need, 4GB will probably be fine, no need for 16GB let alone 32GB.

Just my 2 cents.

+1 pretty much what I was attempting to say only this was done more eloquently main reason I went for 16GB is that unless you have one of the socket 2011 MB's most ATX MB's come with 4 DIMM slots so its much more cost effective to get a 16GB kit(2x8GB) then it is to get a 8GB kit(2x4GB)only to have to swap it out later if needs require.

 

I would add that the one component you should never cheap out on is the PSU because if you buy a cheap on and it goes well there goes your whole system too more then likely.By the time DAI comes out my system will be complete(dual R9 290's etc) which at around £1700 is quite expensive yes though this has been spread out over the course of 1year buying the i5 4670K and Asus Maximus VI Formula last year then using old parts like my 6770 GPU and corsair GS800 PSU until I replace them with something more modern a piece at a time.At some point I may replace my z87 board with a Asus z97 variant( either deluxe or Formula) though its not important and can wait quite awhile 

 

Same way I used to restore the Rover SD1 V8 I had get it up and running and just add to it over time( better tyres,brakes,gearbox upgrade,performance exhaust etc)

As long as you choose your parts with expansion and longevity in mind you can limit wasted expenditure.

[FKA_Servo]

Maybe no SSD.

 

Was not expecting a response so late on this! I believe I am the poster that you and the others are talking to. I actually do have a SSD as well.

 

I guess "chugging" is relative - I bottom at about 40-45 fps, which seems very slow compared to unmodded. I use Cabal's textures as well as numerous environmental textures and mods like SFO. I encounter these issues with any ENB preset, but primarily the one I like is Natural Lighting and atmospherics.

 

I dunno - it may be an an optimization issue (ENBs are tricky) because yeah, I thought that setup would make the game sing.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

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I dunno - it may be an an optimization issue (ENBs are tricky) because yeah, I thought that setup would make the game sing.

 

Even the best hardware can be neutered by poor code. 

[Sanunes]

Was not expecting a response so late on this! I believe I am the poster that you and the others are talking to. I actually do have a SSD as well.

 

I guess "chugging" is relative - I bottom at about 40-45 fps, which seems very slow compared to unmodded. I use Cabal's textures as well as numerous environmental textures and mods like SFO. I encounter these issues with any ENB preset, but primarily the one I like is Natural Lighting and atmospherics.

 

I dunno - it may be an an optimization issue (ENBs are tricky) because yeah, I thought that setup would make the game sing.

 

I don't have a complete ultra-level computer, but I find Bethesda games all suffer after awhile because of the expanding save file setup.  I can get their games to work really well for the first few hours, but once I start really exploring the game starts to misbehave and develop graphical shuddering because my computer is dedicating a lot to maintaining the save file.

[Devtek]

I assume if you can run BF4 and/or NFSR than you shouldn't have problems running DAI.
https://systemrequirementslab.com

At the moment the only system requirements is Windows 7 or higher lol,it will be updated.
http://www.dragonage.../en_US/preorder

 

Considering I am running with a 2.5 year old gaming Laptop, i'm happily surprised that I meet all but 2 of the recommended specs (for bf4) although having windows 8 shouldn't be "recommended" it offers nothing in the way of optimization IMO.  Graphics card was kind of a sidewash too, not enough VRam...yet I have that Vram lol.  Hopefully DAI won't be much more intense than that, never really care about running games on Ultra anyways, comes from my old FPS on 56k days, everything on minimum for perfect control of character Witcher 2 on medium was still gorgeous, just didn't have the "shiny" look to it which is better in my opinion.  Can do without motion blur (or like i call it motion ).  Good to know I will probably not have to get it on consoles (I want my mods / console commands dammit!).

[Warden_of_all]

I don't have a complete ultra-level computer, but I find Bethesda games all suffer after awhile because of the expanding save file setup.  I can get their games to work really well for the first few hours, but once I start really exploring the game starts to misbehave and develop graphical shuddering because my computer is dedicating a lot to maintaining the save file.

That is also because Bethesda has really big problems with memory leaks in their games. Skyrim was one of the worst for this. It drove me nuts.

[Silith]

I might have to jump into this thread too, even if I said that I will play DA:I on my PS4. But I still thought that my PC could run DA:I without problems if I wanted to. Out of curiosity I tried the canyourunit thing for BF4 and well, it says that I just make the minimum requirements but I'm nowhere near recommended. Now that shouldn't surprise me because my PC is 2.5 years old and was cheap when I bought it... but still, boo.

 

It's an AMD A8-3800 2.4 GHz with 8GB RAM and a GeForce GT 545 (1.5GB VRAM) and Win7 64bit. So far I've been able to play everything I wanted to very comfortably, but I don't play new releases anyway. The most intense game I played was (modestly) modded Skyrim I think and the most recent Diablo 3. I don't care about ultra settings but I have a rather big screen so I really want to run games in 1080p.

 

Now I'm wondering - does it make sense to upgrade the graphics card to something better? Or would that be a waste of money since my CPU isn't strong enough to support it? I don't plan on using my PC for heavy gaming since that's what I bought the PS4 for, but it's nice to know that I could play on my PC as well if I wanted to.

If I could up the performance significantly with a new graphics card I might look out for a good deal. Should I do that and what graphics card would be okay considering the CPU?

 

Funny enough, I just checked the canyourunit for my PC with Skyrim, and I don't meet the recommended specs there either. Huh. I guess that doesn't say much then

[Thandal N'Lyman]

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Now I'm wondering - does it make sense to upgrade the graphics card to something better? Or would that be a waste of money since my CPU isn't strong enough to support it? I don't plan on using my PC for heavy gaming since that's what I bought the PS4 for, but it's nice to know that I could play on my PC as well if I wanted to.

If I could up the performance significantly with a new graphics card I might look out for a good deal. Should I do that and what graphics card would be okay considering the CPU?

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A quad-core @ 2.4GHz with 8GB RAM should be fine for DA:I at Medium graphics... IF you upgrade your video card.

 

Given that you're probably limited by; PCI slot-type on your motherboard, your current power supply, and perhaps physical space within your case, I would look to the best sub-US$100, single-slot card you can find. 

 

My personal recommendation is the nVidia GT 640, but I bought it about a year ago so there may be something better out there now. 

[Sanunes]

A quad-core @ 2.4GHz with 8GB RAM should be fine for DA:I at Medium graphics... IF you upgrade your video card.

 

Given that you're probably limited by; PCI slot-type on your motherboard, your current power supply, and perhaps physical space within your case, I would look to the best sub-US$100, single-slot card you can find. 

 

My personal recommendation is the nVidia GT 640, but I bought it about a year ago so there may be something better out there now. 

 

nVidia recently released the 750 Ti which has the same form factor, but a more powerful card. I think its a lot like the one you linked for it doesn't require any additional power outside of what the PCI-E bus provides and is a small card as well. From what I can see on comparisons it might be a good card for now and be replaced in a few years.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

 

nVidia recently released the 750 Ti which has the same form factor, but a more powerful card. I think its a lot like the one you linked for it doesn't require any additional power outside of what the PCI-E bus provides and is a small card as well. From what I can see on comparisons it might be a good card for now and be replaced in a few years.

 

Yeah, nice specs. But if Silith has the same problem I did; literally no room in the case for a double-height card, then a GTX 750 won't work.

(Not to mention the significantly steeper price!  )

[DisturbedJim83]

I'd recommend swapping everything out CPU,MB,GPU,PSU and RAM if its DDR2 because even a budget card like a 750Ti is going to be held back by both the processor and any MB that does not have a Gen 3 PCI-E slot if your on a tight budget I'd go for a AMD Kaveri based build with either a 750Ti or a R9 270/270X.

 

You don't have to buy all the parts at once get the MB and CPU use whatever parts you can carry over from your old computer HD,PSU etc till you can afford newer, more powerful ones.Until 6 months ago i was using a old AMD Athlon II X4 630@2.8ghz on a really old AsRock N68C-S UCC with 8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600Mhz and a Radeon HD 6770. that was running skyrim on High@45FPS

 

Now I have a i5 4670K@4.4Ghz cooled by a Corsair H105,Asus Maximus VI Formula,16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 2400Mhz,1 Powercolor PCS+OC R9 290 all inside a NZXT Switch 810,by this time tomorrow my Corsair GS800 PSU will be replaced with a EVGA Supernova G2 1300W PSU with a second R9 290 coming mid august