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[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Depends on the Card the 22nm GPU's are a long way off and given the problems they are having I would not expect them anytime soon as for requirements depends on the card setup and what you do with the rest of the system a 4670K with a 4.4Ghz overclock 16-32GB of 2400mhz Ram and 2 R9 290's uses about 875W even the new devils canyon CPU's pull over 200W overclocked.

 

My 1300W EVGA Supernova G2 for example comes with a 10yr guarantee so it unlikely that I will ever have to replace it better yet it costs about the same as a 1000W PSU -£170 making it a bargin really 

Well, yes, the AMD card right now are very power hungry, but I think you'd still be fine with an 800 Watt PSU for a 290, so long as you aren't heavily OC'ing the CPU.

 

As for the 800 card, aren't they do next year?

[DisturbedJim83]

Well, yes, the AMD card right now are very power hungry, but I think you'd still be fine with an 800 Watt PSU for a 290, so long as you aren't heavily OC'ing the CPU.

 

As for the 800 card, aren't they do next year?

They were rumored to come out next year though that was before the factory making the chips reported issues getting a good enough quality till then they are on hiatus, the rumor is that Nvida may just use the existing 28nm chips for the 800 series if the 22nm does not pan out 

[dlux]

I have recently built what I believe to be a very powerful computer (largely for DAI, partially for Skyrim), BUT... as I'm not a cutting edge gamer, I don't have battlefield or anything really system intensive to test it's performance.
 
In short, it's:
 
i7 4770
2gb GTX770
16gb system RAM
 
Now, I play Skyrim with fairly intensive graphic mods (ENBs, enhanced textures, etc), and I'm disappointed to say that it chugs a bit. It could just be a case of the mods not really being optimized, but who knows?
 
What do you guys think? Am I OK?
 
Thanks!

Skyrim "chugs a bit" with all your mods because your graphics card doesn't have enough VRAM.

 

I never understood why people buy an Nvidia GTX 770 with 2GB VRAM when they can get a AMD R9 280X with 3GB VRAM. The R9 280X is not only a bit faster and has 1GB more ram, it is cheaper too. Not to mention that DA:I will support the Mantle API, which improves performance on AMD cards.

Anyway, your system should run DA:I pretty good.

[Sanunes]

Skyrim "chugs a bit" with all your mods because your graphics card doesn't have enough VRAM.

 

I never understood why people buy an Nvidia GTX 770 with 2GB VRAM when they can get a AMD R9 280X with 3GB VRAM. The R9 280X is not only a bit faster and has 1GB more ram, it is cheaper too. Not to mention that DA:I will support the Mantle API, which improves performance on AMD cards.

Anyway, your system should run DA:I pretty good.

 

My local stores sell the nVidia cards for less then AMD (at least until the Bitcoin crash) because people were buying the higher end AMD cards for mining.

[Willhelm]

It appears that with the new generation of console hardware came a significant increase in tech requirements for pc games. Is it reasonable to expect that if a new pc is able to play this new generation of pc games on the highest settings that it should be "future proof" until the next generation of console hardware is released?

In other words, do pc requirements typically plateau after a new gen of consoles and then make a big leap with the release of the next gen? Or, do pc requirements tend to climb more steadily?

I'm asking to try to educate myself about whether I should try to "future proof" a new pc build by spending more on certain components, or just buy a pc "just good enough" for now with the view that it will be ok for the next several years.

[DisturbedJim83]

It appears that with the new generation of console hardware came a significant increase in tech requirements for pc games. Is it reasonable to expect that if a new pc is able to play this new generation of pc games on the highest settings that it should be "future proof" until the next generation of console hardware is released?

In other words, do pc requirements typically plateau after a new gen of consoles and then make a big leap with the release of the next gen? Or, do pc requirements tend to climb more steadily?

I'm asking to try to educate myself about whether I should try to "future proof" a new pc build by spending more on certain components, or just buy a pc "just good enough" for now with the view that it will be ok for the next several years.

Not really as some developers like CD Project Red don't do limp PC versions of their multi platform titles PC technology advances far faster then console tech do to it not being a stagnant static market not that long ago 2GB Graphics cards were considered "high end" now were looking at GPU's with 4/6/8GB as the norm chances are that this time next year we could be looking at 12GB Graphics cards and thats just 1 sector of the PC marketplace.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

It appears that with the new generation of console hardware came a significant increase in tech requirements for pc games. Is it reasonable to expect that if a new pc is able to play this new generation of pc games on the highest settings that it should be "future proof" until the next generation of console hardware is released?

In other words, do pc requirements typically plateau after a new gen of consoles and then make a big leap with the release of the next gen? Or, do pc requirements tend to climb more steadily?

I'm asking to try to educate myself about whether I should try to "future proof" a new pc build by spending more on certain components, or just buy a pc "just good enough" for now with the view that it will be ok for the next several years.

 

It depends on the game and your expectations, but generally, yes.

 

If you have equivalent PC hardware to a PS4, expect to play games at PS4-like settings for the rest of the generation.

 

However, in 3 years, when you can pick up a 21:9 3K monitor for cheap, when developers are putting extra effects and more demanding lighting on the PC version of games, will you still be happy with PS4-like settings? For some people the answer is yes, and they can enjoy gaming without upgrades.

 

For me, personally, the answer is usually no. It certainly was no last gen, where I could not stand the SUB 720p resolutions, the 15-30 FPS, the outdated shadowing and lighting, the 10 dynamic particles or so that still managed to drag the framerate down, the jaggies, the super low resolution textures, the lack of AF. Console gaming say 2-3 years after the start of last gen was just really bad, and only got worse.

 

By the end of the gen I was sporting a 1440p screen and I play all my games at 1440p/60 FPS, ultra settings - something no last gen (or current gen fo that matter) console can achieve.

 

But I'm not everyone, and PC gamers are happy  with all sorts of setups, that's the real strength of PC gaming, IMHO. The gmaing experience is whatever you want it to be, rather than what you are told it has to be.

[Willhelm]

Thanks, guys, for the very helpful responses. This hasn't made my decision any easier, but I definitely understand better.

Let's assume I get an i5 CPU. Do we have enough information to give a reasonable guess as to which is the cheapest GPU that would run DAI on max settings using a 1080 monitor? And, same question for a 1440 monitor?

Thanks again for all responses!

[Warden_of_all]

Yes pc gaming will never go away, and I'm glad it wont. I love to mod games and the controls for pc just as much as using a controller on the PS4, but I do have to say that consoles like the PS4 have their pluses as well. For instance can a pc stream a game to a handheld console on the go. No a pc can't. The PS4 can stream a game to the PSVita, and soon the PS Tv console in another room. So personally I like both. Which is why I play on both.

[godModeAlpha]

It appears that with the new generation of console hardware came a significant increase in tech requirements for pc games. Is it reasonable to expect that if a new pc is able to play this new generation of pc games on the highest settings that it should be "future proof" until the next generation of console hardware is released?
In other words, do pc requirements typically plateau after a new gen of consoles and then make a big leap with the release of the next gen? Or, do pc requirements tend to climb more steadily?
I'm asking to try to educate myself about whether I should try to "future proof" a new pc build by spending more on certain components, or just buy a pc "just good enough" for now with the view that it will be ok for the next several years.

Thought I'd chip in, don't mean to tell you stuff you might already know, but performance typically follows Moore's law, the performance usually doubles every 18 months. Shrinking the manufacturing process (90nm > 45nm > ~20nm) has kept this law going, since more transistors can be packed on the die.

I don't think there is a long term future proof scenario for PCs in general. But specifically for gaming you would need to at least keep upgrading your graphics card as already stated more VRAM is good and a faster clocked GPU rocks. CPUs are no longer the bottle neck, i5 or AMD equivalent seems like a great lower threshold .

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Thanks, guys, for the very helpful responses. This hasn't made my decision any easier, but I definitely understand better.

Let's assume I get an i5 CPU. Do we have enough information to give a reasonable guess as to which is the cheapest GPU that would run DAI on max settings using a 1080 monitor? And, same question for a 1440 monitor?

Thanks again for all responses!

 

We don't know for sure. Your i5 should be fine for sure, if you went with something like an mid range AMD CPU or i3, I would suggest an AMD card, since this game will likely support Mantle (which improves performance on lower end CPU's), but with an i5, I'd say go Nvidia. You can't beat their driver/software setup, IMHO: Shadowplay, the possibility to Stream to a Shield down the line, and still the best driver support out there (though AMD has gotten a lot better lately).

 

For reference I would check GPU performance on BF4, since it's the same engine. 

 

 

Here's an example, but keep in mind that these benchies are pre patches and pre driver optimizations. Most of the cards on here are doing 10-30% better with the game today. I think a 760 or a 670 are good entry points for great performance (35 FPS+) at 1080p on ultra, 50+ FPS on high. If you want 1440p you're probably looking at a 770 or 780 or a x280 x290 GPU.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Yes pc gaming will never go away, and I'm glad it wont. I love to mod games and the controls for pc just as much as using a controller on the PS4, but I do have to say that consoles like the PS4 have their pluses as well. For instance can a pc stream a game to a handheld console on the go. No a pc can't. The PS4 can stream a game to the PSVita, and soon the PS Tv console in another room. So personally I like both. Which is why I play on both.

 

Uhm, yes it can. It has been able to do that for a looong while now. The Nvidia shield is the best out of the box option for doing so right now, but there are more options coming, including Steamboy and steamboxes.

 

I've been streaming games from my PC to my TV for about a year now...

 

In terms of technology consoles usually only lead for the first 6 months of their lives... in fact, this is the first time in a while where consoles are not 6 months ahead, but rather 2 YEARS behind PC's in terms of tech.

 

Which is why the gap between PC and console this generation is going to be even larger than last.

[Warden_of_all]

Uhm, yes it can. It has been able to do that for a looong while now. The Nvidia shield is the best out of the box option for doing so right now, but there are more options coming, including Steamboy and steamboxes.

 

I've been streaming games from my PC to my TV for about a year now...

 

In terms of technology consoles usually only lead for the first 6 months of their lives... in fact, this is the first time in a while where consoles are not 6 months ahead, but rather 2 YEARS behind PC's in terms of tech.

 

Which is why the gap between PC and console this generation is going to be even larger than last.

Thanks for the info. 

 

Although on pc it is still new the steambox is not out yet and will cost around $200, where as the pstv is $99 and will be available before the steambox. 

 

Also the steambox has some limitations for streaming games most run at 720p not 1080p. While the pstv will run them at the same resolution that the PS4 runs them at. Which is 1080p for most games.

 

What I've seen of the nVidia Shield, It's a joke. Very glitchy and unreliable. The Vita is much more advantageous. If the Shield is working for you then I'm happy for you, but most people I know don't like it.

 

As far as being 2 years behind I don't think so. I think it is right on track and will be better for at least a year before pc streaming becomes as good or better. 

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Thanks for the info. 

 

Although on pc it is still new the steambox is not out yet and will cost around $200, where as the pstv is $99 and will be available before the steambox. 

 

Also the steambox has some limitations for streaming games most run at 720p not 1080p. While the pstv will run them at the same resolution that the PS4 runs them at. Which is 1080p for most games.

 

What I've seen of the nVidia Shield, It's a joke. Very glitchy and unreliable. The Vita is much more advantageous. If the Shield is working for you then I'm happy for you, but most people I know don't like it.

 

As far as being 2 years behind I don't think so. I think it is right on track and will be better for at least a year before pc streaming becomes as good or better. 

 

Steamboxes will vary in cost based on hardware. Valve has said purely streaming boxes will go for around $99. As I mentioned, streaming from PC to PC has been available for a while now. I've been doing it from my main PC to a tiny i3 system under my TV with great results. Same when streaming to my windows tablet.

 

The Nvidia shield will work flawlessly, provided your network is up to scratch.

 

And no, streaming on PC has no limits in terms of quality - it's all up to the quality of your local network. I've sen people streaming games at 4K/30 FPS something a PS4 would have a heart attack attempting to do.

 

And when I said they are two years behind, I don't mean in terms of streaming. The hardware performance of a PS4 is something you could have put together yourself in 2011. You could not say the same thing about an Xbox 360 back in 2006.

[Warden_of_all]

Actually the PS4 was already geared for 4k in the future. 4K tvs are just too expensive to gear them for in the short term. If you have the money for a 4K tv today more power to you. Most People don't. That's why they went 1080p for now. As far as the xbox I find the whole console line to be a joke. Sony has always shot for longevity in their systems. Yeah they don't last on top for long, but they will always be better than a xbox. PCs for graphic performance and modding will always be on top, I never said they wouldn't be, but again that's if you have the money to keep upgrading it. I have always built my machines and the cost to do so and keep them mainstream has well out cost the price of every console I've bought combined. I'm a graphic artist so my pc has to be upgraded yearly just to keep up with new technologies. I find consoles to be easier for the everyday person to use than a computer where it comes to gaming. Don't get me wrong I play on both, because I like to mod my games so I find satisfaction in gaming on both PC and console. It just depends on my mood as to which I do at which time. PC gaming is for people that love their PCs and use them for that very purpose. Most PC gamers know their machines and how to upgrade them. Some people either buy a new machine(to upgrade) or get a console. 

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

I'm not disputing the ease of use of consoles - actually in terms of ease of use they're pretty similar now a days, but the console will always be more appealing to a mainstream crowd simply because it's a simple matter of going to your local bestbuy or Gamesotp and picking one up. 

 

However, appeal to a mainstream market has NEVER been on my list of "things I need my gaming platform to do".

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm going to go on a wild (though not totally uneducated) guess and say anyone sporting a GTX 660 and a decent CPU will be able to max out the game at 1080p with little to no issues. However, I would expect the frame rate to fluctuate between 30-40 in this case.

[FiveThreeTen]

I'm kinda worried I will have to change my graphic card (HD 7850 1GB) to run it smoothly on High on a 1680x1050 resolution.

 

Otherwise I think my CPU is still fine: i5 3450 (3.1 GHz) and 8 GB RAM should be enough no?

 

DA:I is the only "graphically demanding" game that holds any interest to me in the next few months and I'm not really in the mood to change anything in my set up yet

[Walrider]

I'm going to go on a wild (though not totally uneducated) guess and say anyone sporting a GTX 660 and a decent CPU will be able to max out the game at 1080p with little to no issues. However, I would expect the frame rate to fluctuate between 30-40 in this case.

 

I hope so, seeing as the GTX 660 is what I'm running with. Though I'm with an Intel Core i7 at 2.30Ghz.

[deuce985]

I'm looking to build an entirely new rig myself. Will probably get a Haswell-E CPU coming out June 30th but the problem is I'm having a hard time deciding on if I should wait for Nvidia 800 series. I was thinking about getting a 780 ti which is overkill I know but...eh. I want the most I can get out of my money but it seems 800 series will release anywhere from late this year to 2015 based on the delays they're having. I really don't want to wait until past DAI to build one but I also want one that's fairly future proof. I'm sure a 780 ti will last awhile but I'll be pretty upset if I build one right before DAI and then the 800 series comes out a month later with decent performance increases. I almost hope DAI gets delayed to make my choice easier...and besides, I want to max Witcher 3 out too when that comes. Pretty sure that game is going to melt PCs.

[NRieh]

Did they give any real specs, or are we going to hear 'try checking BF4 specs, it should be same....more or less' right up to the release date? 

 

I know that FPS depends on many factors ranging from driver optimization to amount of dust in your cooling system, I'm not asking for a guarantee that my pc is going to have 80fps on ultra-high, but I think that there should be at least some real config tests by now. 

[Wulfram]

Click "show only bioware posts" to see the latest news - ie that there is no news because they're still optimising and running test.

[DisturbedJim83]

Did they give any real specs, or are we going to hear 'try checking BF4 specs, it should be same....more or less' right up to the release date? 

 

I know that FPS depends on many factors ranging from driver optimization to amount of dust in your cooling system, I'm not asking for a guarantee that my pc is going to have 80fps on ultra-high, but I think that there should be at least some real config tests by now. 

They have said that while its essentially "feature complete " they are still running it through various optimizer's to determine the minimum and recommended specs

[DisturbedJim83]

Thanks, guys, for the very helpful responses. This hasn't made my decision any easier, but I definitely understand better.

Let's assume I get an i5 CPU. Do we have enough information to give a reasonable guess as to which is the cheapest GPU that would run DAI on max settings using a 1080 monitor? And, same question for a 1440 monitor?

Thanks again for all responses!

Well based on kinthalis's pre mantle posting for BF4 for 1080P your best "balance point" Card would be the R9 270X they are usually a little cheaper then the Nvida equivalent(660/670 if i recall) and run better.

 

As for 2K I'd say your looking at a Single if not dual 780's(non Ti) or R9 290(non X) in all cases however do not get one with a reference cooler get one with a non reference cooler such as Gigabyte's Windforce, MSI's Gaming or Asus's Direct CU II models you'll get lower noise and better cooling in many cases 10-20C cooler 

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

I'm looking to build an entirely new rig myself. Will probably get a Haswell-E CPU coming out June 30th but the problem is I'm having a hard time deciding on if I should wait for Nvidia 800 series. I was thinking about getting a 780 ti which is overkill I know but...eh. I want the most I can get out of my money but it seems 800 series will release anywhere from late this year to 2015 based on the delays they're having. I really don't want to wait until past DAI to build one but I also want one that's fairly future proof. I'm sure a 780 ti will last awhile but I'll be pretty upset if I build one right before DAI and then the 800 series comes out a month later with decent performance increases. I almost hope DAI gets delayed to make my choice easier...and besides, I want to max Witcher 3 out too when that comes. Pretty sure that game is going to melt PCs.

 

I think EVGA has that promotion where they let you switch out cards within I think a few months of purchase. So you can buy a 780 or 780 ti and if the new cards show up within a few months, you can upgrade.