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[danman2424]

ERJAK2 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

If it make sense storywise for the characters involved to be homosexual then so be it. If not, then so be it. Putting homosexuality in a game just for the sake of it is just bad story telling. If none of the NPCs are homosexual then there shouldn't be any homosexual romances in the game. Homosexuality is only representative in 2% of our population, and usually found in larger families with 3 or more children. I doubt that by the 22nd century that large families would be the exception, and not the rule as even in the 20th and 21st centuries larger families are slowly going the way of the dodo.

Bioware should only put in the game what makes sense and consistent within the setting. May that be homoseuxal romances, nudity, or any content really.

True. I can't imagine the mockery that would be made of this game if it contained gay relationships and sex. Just picture the Shepard from the commercials being gay and kissing on other guys. Videos posted on gametrailers and youtube. The game would never reach the mainstream appeal it has today if those kind of actions were possible in the game. It'd be a joke to people and the public at large wouldn't be able to take the character seriously.

Yeah, cause that's what happened with dragon age, sure. <_<

Dragon Age is niche compared to what they're trying to achieve with Mass Effect.

[Mox Ruuga]

Cryo84 wrote...

Hey this is better than Bioware giving players the option to knock boots with birds, frogs, and what ever the hell tali is.

I, no ****, threw up.

Indeed.

It is sad that three out of the six romances are with aliens, two of whom aren't even as close to looking like humans as Thane and Liara, and they not only didn't include a m/m option, but went and removed the f/f one that FemShep had in ME1!

WTH Bioware?

[Darth_Shizz]

ERJAK2 wrote...


But then the thread starts moving down the list and is out of the public eye, which means we have to make a new one, which apparently annoys people, so why not? 

If you're telling me that the only way you can keep this topic in "the public eye" is by ignoring any fairly argued points, and merely responding to those that type out "PEEPL DONT LAIK GAIZ!!11!", then there's something considerably wrong with this thread and the people in it...

*Edit - I think people would hate threads like this less, if there was actually some form of intelligent debate in them.

From what I've experienced so far, there just isn't. In fact, one other I know of was locked yesterday, because the people in it were trolled, then proceeded to respond to the trolls just as obnoxiously as the trolls did their trolling. 

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 24 janvier 2010 - 04:38 .

[SethSteiner]

Who cares about jokes? Sorry but there are jokes about everything, who cares about gay or not gay? No one does.

And no, Dragon Age is also no niche. It`s an RPG and it soled very, very well. BioWare did the same with Dragon Age as they did with Mass Effect. Books, Merchandise, Advertisment and everyone was better informed about the romances.



Homosexuality is no knock out criteria and it has no effect on the sales.

[Anthropophobic]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

If it make sense storywise for the characters involved to be homosexual then so be it. If not, then so be it. Putting homosexuality in a game just for the sake of it is just bad story telling. If none of the NPCs are homosexual then there shouldn't be any homosexual romances in the game. Homosexuality is only representative in 2% of our population, and usually found in larger families with 3 or more children. I doubt that by the 22nd century that large families would be the exception, and not the rule as even in the 20th and 21st centuries larger families are slowly going the way of the dodo.

Bioware should only put in the game what makes sense and consistent within the setting. May that be homoseuxal romances, nudity, or any content really.

I don't understand how it wouldn't make sense, in any situation, not to have any gay characters. I mean, it doesn't not make sense not to have gay characters (triple negative there, but you know what I mean), but does there have to be a specific purpose for the inclusion of a homosexual character in the game? Do they only include gay characters when they want to make a political or social statement?

Modifié par Anthropophobic, 24 janvier 2010 - 04:41 .

[.Rhys]

I support it.

[Revan312]

danman2424 wrote...
Dragon Age is niche compared to what they're trying to achieve with Mass Effect.

Lmao, The Sims, WoW, Spore and MW2 are the only games that sold higher in 2009, get you facts straight, it wasn't niche.  It was all over television ads and the internet was innundated with DA:O talk.  The gay romance option was also known weeks before release and even had a picture of the PC and Zev getting it on so your point is null. For a dungeon crawler and traditional fantasy RPG it sold well past expectations...

Modifié par Revan312, 24 janvier 2010 - 04:43 .

[Darth_Shizz]

Anthropophobic wrote...

I don't understand how it wouldn't make sense, in any situation, not to have any gay characters. I mean, it doesn't not make sense not to have gay characters (triple negative there, but you know what I mean), but does there has to be a specific purpose for the inclusion of a homosexual character in the game? Do they only include gay characters when they want to make a political or social statement?

Would it make more sense to say, somewhere during production, suddenly make Grunt gay? Or Jacob? Or Miranda? Or SuZe? I'm sceptical of that fact. 

Incidentally, I don't recall having a black squad-mate in ME1. Why doesn't this also make no sense? Being of Jamaican descent, perhaps I would've liked to have seen a character I could respond to on a deeper, more emotional level.

[beermilk]

Glad there isnt a gay option but plenty of alien sex options. Being gay is worse then bestiality apparently.

[Revan312]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

Would it make more sense to say, somewhere during production, suddenly make Grunt gay? Or Jacob? Or Miranda? Or SuZe? I'm sceptical of that fact. 

Incidentally, I don't recall having a black squad-mate in ME1. Why doesn't this also make no sense? Being of Jamaican descent, perhaps I would've liked to have seen a character I could respond to on a deeper, more emotional level.

Your missing the point here, it doesn't take much to appease the gay romance crowd, it's called record a couple lines of gender specific dialogue and turn off some gender checks.  They wouldn't need to make a fully fledged gay character to make everyone in these threads happy..  Besides that's how Bioware has always done it in the past, there was never a fully gay character, just BI characters with gender checks negated.  It was MUCH more difficult in comparison to create the Tali and Garrus romances as they had to actually create the entire LI convos from scratch.

[SethSteiner]

Rot in ban-hell beermilk.

[Revan312]

SethSteiner wrote...

Rot in ban-hell beermilk.

I believe he was being sarcastic which was the reason he put "apparently" at the end of his statement...

[danman2424]

Revan312 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
Dragon Age is niche compared to what they're trying to achieve with Mass Effect.

Lmao, The Sims, WoW, Spore and MW2 are the only games that sold higher in 2009, get you facts straight, it wasn't niche.  It was all over television ads and the internet was innundated with DA:O talk.  The gay romance option was also known weeks before release and even had a picture of the PC and Zev getting it on so your point is null. For a dungeon crawler and traditional fantasy RPG it sold well past expectations...

For a dungeon crawler, yes, it sold well. That doesn't change the fact that it was in a niche genre and certainly not in the same stratosphere as Mass Effect. Mass Effect also has a recognizable main character named Shepard who would likely not benefit from being associated with in-game ******-erotic behavior.

Modifié par danman2424, 24 janvier 2010 - 05:02 .

[pharos_gryphon]

I think the thing that bothers me most about situations like this, is that homosexuality isn't the entirety of a person. A person's sexuality is a single facet of their life and their personality and no one facet can define the whole of a person. I'd just like to see us reach a point in media where a person's sexuality is incidental rather than the spotlight aspect of them. More of a "oh, btw, he just happens to be ******/hetrosexual" rather than their chief feature. Honestly, 'making sense storywise' on the issue isn't a big issue, any more than deciding whether they're right or left handed save specifically when talking about their romances with others. Being gay doesn't mean you want to bed every member of the same gender. It's entirely possible to be a gay male and have nonsexual friendships with other males.



All that being said, would I like to see more gay and other minority characters and romances in the game? Of course! Still, this thread is for support of them in the game, not for arguing whether or not being gay is 'right' or 'wrong' or for trying to prove the beliefs of one another somehow superior or less than those of others. If we want to be constructive and helpful with such threads, energy would be better spent discussing who would make the best candidates and why, how it would enrich the story and where, etc. If we let trolls continue to derail threads with religious and world view arguments, they're just going to keep getting locked. =/

[Anthropophobic]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

Anthropophobic wrote...

I don't understand how it wouldn't make sense, in any situation, not to have any gay characters. I mean, it doesn't not make sense not to have gay characters (triple negative there, but you know what I mean), but does there has to be a specific purpose for the inclusion of a homosexual character in the game? Do they only include gay characters when they want to make a political or social statement?

Would it make more sense to say, somewhere during production, suddenly make Grunt gay? Or Jacob? Or Miranda? Or SuZe? I'm sceptical of that fact. 

Incidentally, I don't recall having a black squad-mate in ME1. Why doesn't this also make no sense? Being of Jamaican descent, perhaps I would've liked to have seen a character I could respond to on a deeper, more emotional level.

Well, it makes about as much sense to make Grunt, Jacob, Miranda, and SuZe gay as it does to make them straight, but that didn't stop them from including m/f romances and excluding m/m and f/f ones. Plus, there's evidence that SuZe is canonically bisexual (she basically says it herself), yet we know that there are no f/f romances in the game.

[beermilk]

Its the truth though. Bioware considers homosexuality worse then having sex with aliens. It gives a very clear message to the gay community what kind of people Bioware & their fans truely consists of.

[Revan312]

danman2424 wrote...

For a dungeon crawler, yes, it sold well. That doesn't change the fact that it was in a niche genre and certainly not in the same stratosphere as Mass Effect. Mass Effect also has recognizable main character named Shepard who would likely not benefit from being associated with in-game ******-erotic behavior.

I will agree with you that it wouldn't be good to make canon shep gay for the media blitz, but having an option in game wouldn't hurt it in the least...

Also..

pharos_gryphon wrote...

I think the thing that bothers me most about situations like this, is that homosexuality isn't the entirety of a person. A person's sexuality is a single facet of their life and their personality and no one facet can define the whole of a person. I'd just like to see us reach a point in media where a person's sexuality is incidental rather than the spotlight aspect of them. More of a "oh, btw, he just happens to be ******/hetrosexual" rather than their chief feature. Honestly, 'making sense storywise' on the issue isn't a big issue, any more than deciding whether they're right or left handed save specifically when talking about their romances with others. Being gay doesn't mean you want to bed every member of the same gender. It's entirely possible to be a gay male and have nonsexual friendships with other males.

All that being said, would I like to see more gay and other minority characters and romances in the game? Of course! Still, this thread is for support of them in the game, not for arguing whether or not being gay is 'right' or 'wrong' or for trying to prove the beliefs of one another somehow superior or less than those of others. If we want to be constructive and helpful with such threads, energy would be better spent discussing who would make the best candidates and why, how it would enrich the story and where, etc. If we let trolls continue to derail threads with religious and world view arguments, they're just going to keep getting locked. =/

Very well said and I agree wholeheartedly, it's just hard for me to not respond to trolls, I think I have a condition where bigoted or ill-informed people force my hand to the keyboard *shrugs*  I'll try and stop...

Modifié par Revan312, 24 janvier 2010 - 04:59 .

[JedTed]

I don't have a problem with it but if they do create same sex, human romances then they should make characters that are deffinatly gay. Using the existing characters and making em swing to whatever the player character's orientation is seems cheap to me.



What i mean is if the character is intened to be straight then they shouldn't be turned gay just on the player's whim.

[grungeboy]

gays.........i really dont like em uh uh no i dont

[ToJKa1]

danman2424 wrote...
Mass Effect also has recognizable main character named Shepard who would likely not benefit from being associated with in-game ******-erotic behavior.

And that might be the reason why it isn't an option. The Grey Warden of Dragon Age was never personified, so that might be why there were gay/lesbian/group/you-don't-want-to-know options. Shephard however is the face of Mass Effect, so that may somewhat limit what he (or she) can do.

Off-topic, alien sex is not beastiality, both of them are willing and sapient sapient beings, unlike in beastiality. I doubt i'll explore those options very thorougly, though..
On topic, i'm all for all options

[Revan312]

grungeboy wrote...

gays.........i really dont like em uh uh no i dont

Must....follow...pharos_gryphon's.....advice.... GAHHH...

[grungeboy]

gayness should be banned in games....not celebrated. i dont mind lezbo's though so ill make an exception to see some of that **** yea boy!!!

[beermilk]

JedTed wrote...

I don't have a problem with it but if they do create same sex, human romances then they should make characters that are deffinatly gay. Using the existing characters and making em swing to whatever the player character's orientation is seems cheap to me.

What i mean is if the character is intened to be straight then they shouldn't be turned gay just on the player's whim.

Mind if you give me and anyone lurking some examples of deffinatly gay characteristics?

[Darth_Shizz]

Revan312 wrote...

Your missing the point here, it doesn't take much to appease the gay romance crowd, it's called record a couple lines of gender specific dialogue and turn off some gender checks.  They wouldn't need to make a fully fledged gay character to make everyone in these threads happy..  Besides that's how Bioware has always done it in the past, there was never a fully gay character, just BI characters with gender checks negated.  It was MUCH more difficult in comparison to create the Tali and Garrus romances as they had to actually create the entire LI convos from scratch.

I'm not missing the point at all, in fact, my point has been proven. What you're asking for essentially, are characters with tacked on dialogue that appeases the gay community, or characters which, irrespective of their design and the story they're presented in, swoon over your male shepard, or awkwardly shuffle their feet and look away every time your female enters the room. This isn't a character designed for a gay or bi community. This is merely a sexuality-neutral character 

I love Zevran in Dragon Age, and believe he works very well as a character, both in his personality and sexuality. 

What I'd loathe to see in a BW game, is the inclusion of the sort of "token" character I mentioned above. As I've said already; BW didn't feel the need to include a gay/bi LI into their story. I completely agree with their decision, as, as has proven in the past, they know how to create both story and characters. However, I'd still support it if they decided to include such a character.

[danman2424]

Revan312 wrote...

I will agree with you that it wouldn't be good to make canon shep gay for the media blitz, but having an option in game wouldn't hurt it in the least...

If it's in the game, people will find it, and it will change the perception of the character.

Imagine if they included gay romance options for Vin Diesel in the Riddick games. You would argue that having the option wouldn't hurt DIesel's credibility as an action star, but the reality is, people would be laughing at Vin Diesel for years to come and the videos would be all over youtube of Diesel's likeness participating in gay sexual acts. People simply would not take his character seriously anymore. Probably not take him seriously anymore either.

Modifié par danman2424, 24 janvier 2010 - 05:11 .