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[Revan312]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

Haha. Or they could go the completely PC route by giving him a neck-scarf and adding a ton of "fabulous"s to his dialogue   


Just imagine the damage he could do with that neck-scarf...

My god, I laughed way to load at the thought of Thane saying "fabulous!" while he breaks a guys neck, that would be epic

[danman2424]

Revan312 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
FYI, opposing gay marriage or homosexuality in general does not necessarily make you a bigot. A bigot usually bears contempt for someone based on the way that person looks, or where they come from. One is not  a bigot just because they disagree with something a person prefers or takes participation in. You can be a bigot for disliking someone because they have dark skin. but you are not really a bigot for disliking someone's actions because you find them reprehensible. That would be like calling someone a bigot of thieves just because he/she expresses distaste for what a thief does.

Wow, did you just use an analogy of thievery in comparison to homosexuality?  Let the Flames begin!!

Uh no. I used thieves as an example for a "group" of people that someone might not support or favor, due to their actions, rather than blind hatred just because they look a certain way.

[rjeid]

I'm supporting this thread too. My FemShep will not be satisfied until she can woo Tali. Sex is not necessary, but there must be wooing.

[pharos_gryphon]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

The thing with Mordin though is that Salarians lack sexual drive really. They only do it to procreate so a gay Salarian would be REALLY out there...

See that's one of the things that made him stand out a bit more, to me.  It's that whole difference between love and lust, and what with Bioware adding more nonsexual intimacy, he seemed like he'd be a meaningful romance option.  It's been said several chars 'talk it out' rather than doing the proverbial deed, and rather than either, the idea of simply... being intimate and romantic with him, without any push for sex one way or the other, seems intriging in regards to the emotional depth of the character. 

[Revan312]

danman2424 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
FYI, opposing gay marriage or homosexuality in general does not necessarily make you a bigot. A bigot usually bears contempt for someone based on the way that person looks, or where they come from. One is not  a bigot just because they disagree with something a person prefers or takes participation in. You can be a bigot for disliking someone because they have dark skin. but you are not really a bigot for disliking someone's actions because you find them reprehensible. That would be like calling someone a bigot of thieves just because he/she expresses distaste for what a thief does.

Wow, did you just use an analogy of thievery in comparison to homosexuality?  Let the Flames begin!!

Uh no. I used thieves as an example for a "group" of people that someone might not support or favor, due to their actions, rather than blind hatred just because they look a certain way.

Fine, let's explore this a bit then.  I'm gonna assume from your above statement (the original quote) that your against gay marriage and or homosexuality.  Quickly list your reasons for opposing it and I'll actually be impressed if they're not "because it's wrong" or "It's not the natural way of things".  Once you list your oppositional views is when we can see whether or not your original statement is correct...

[PSUHammer]

Fine, let's explore this a bit then.  I'm gonna assume from your above statement (the original quote) that your against gay marriage and or homosexuality.  Quickly list your reasons for opposing it and I'll actually be impressed if they're not "because it's wrong" or "It's not the natural way of things".  Once you list your oppositional views is when we can see whether or not your original statement is correct...

As my wife would say, "Because I am a Christian".

I think you can believe that it is immoral or unatural and still have respect for other people's choices/opinions, within reason.  It should be a two way street, though.

[Akrim_Drak]

Let's stay on topic >< This is going to end bad, I'd REALLY like if we could have one of these threads not get locked because people go into the real world aspect of homosexuality. Let's keep it ME related!



@pharos, that's why I'd really like it to be Garrus. I think the sexual relationship with him would just be weird, but I could totally see him and my Shepard falling in love.

[Revan312]

pharos_gryphon wrote...

See that's one of the things that made him stand out a bit more, to me.  It's that whole difference between love and lust, and what with Bioware adding more nonsexual intimacy, he seemed like he'd be a meaningful romance option.  It's been said several chars 'talk it out' rather than doing the proverbial deed, and rather than either, the idea of simply... being intimate and romantic with him, without any push for sex one way or the other, seems intriging in regards to the emotional depth of the character. 

That's exactly what I wanted with Samara, a talk it out option that explores more in depth with her character rather than sex.  I could care less about the love scenes, in fact they cheapen the whole mood for me as most of them just seem cheesy and rushed.  I'd just like to, as a dev would say "emotionally engage" with Samara and have my femshep create a more intimate bond with her.  Really that's all I want with any character in a game, the sexualisation is just an afterthought to me...

[danman2424]

Revan312 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
FYI, opposing gay marriage or homosexuality in general does not necessarily make you a bigot. A bigot usually bears contempt for someone based on the way that person looks, or where they come from. One is not  a bigot just because they disagree with something a person prefers or takes participation in. You can be a bigot for disliking someone because they have dark skin. but you are not really a bigot for disliking someone's actions because you find them reprehensible. That would be like calling someone a bigot of thieves just because he/she expresses distaste for what a thief does.

Wow, did you just use an analogy of thievery in comparison to homosexuality?  Let the Flames begin!!

Uh no. I used thieves as an example for a "group" of people that someone might not support or favor, due to their actions, rather than blind hatred just because they look a certain way.

Fine, let's explore this a bit then.  I'm gonna assume from your above statement (the original quote) that your against gay marriage and or homosexuality.  Quickly list your reasons for opposing it and I'll actually be impressed if they're not "because it's wrong" or "It's not the natural way of things".  Once you list your oppositional views is when we can see whether or not your original statement is correct...

To be quite honest, I'm undecided on the whole matter. I feel there is more information that needs to come out before I come to a conclusive stance on the issue. How about you? Why do you feel homosexuality should be accepted?

[CrystalCousland]

I wholeheartedly support gay/lesbian content in any form of medium. Bioware actually made some great as pioneers in the fields. I would love for them to continue walking that path. Seriously, no costumer is forced into a relationship with someone of the same gender. Why not simply allow it?

[ERJAK2]

danman2424 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
FYI, opposing gay marriage or homosexuality in general does not necessarily make you a bigot. A bigot usually bears contempt for someone based on the way that person looks, or where they come from. One is not  a bigot just because they disagree with something a person prefers or takes participation in. You can be a bigot for disliking someone because they have dark skin. but you are not really a bigot for disliking someone's actions because you find them reprehensible. That would be like calling someone a bigot of thieves just because he/she expresses distaste for what a thief does.

Wow, did you just use an analogy of thievery in comparison to homosexuality?  Let the Flames begin!!

Uh no. I used thieves as an example for a "group" of people that someone might not support or favor, due to their actions, rather than blind hatred just because they look a certain way.

It's a poor example. Thievery is illegal, homosexuality is not. Thievery results in directly harming an individual not involved in the act, homosexuality does not. Thievery usually requires other illegal things to be done before the theft can take place. Homosexuality does not. Homosexuality is closer to being of a specific ethnic group then thievery.

[rjeid]

CrystalCousland wrote...

I wholeheartedly support gay/lesbian content in any form of medium. Bioware actually made some great as pioneers in the fields. I would love for them to continue walking that path. Seriously, no costumer is forced into a relationship
with someone of the same gender. Why not simply allow it?

Because then they might feel like they're actually supporting same-sex relations if they love a game that even only has them as an option. They oppose it to keep themselves "safe".

Though this does not apply to everyone who opposes it. Just most.

Modifié par rjeid, 24 janvier 2010 - 05:58 .

[Eternal Dust]

SuZe should have been the F/F option at least <_<

[Kurt M.]

Gay marriages are nonsense rituals that some non-satisfied *maricas* want to have in order to try to diminish the void they've in their materialistic gay lives. IM*G*A



Besides, that's not the point of this thread





*That's "G" for "gay" ^^

[Akrim_Drak]

octoberfire wrote...

SuZe should have been the F/F option at least <_<

While I sort of agree Jack should have been an F/F option she's also pretty cliche in that aspect. I mean everyone basically just assumed she would be. I think Miranda would have been a better choice in that aspect.

[Homebound]

octoberfire wrote...

SuZe should have been the F/F option at least <_<

Just because she's Bisexual doesnt mean she HAS to be a F/F romance option...

EDIT: your avatar looks like Paris Hilton.

Modifié par Just_mike, 24 janvier 2010 - 05:59 .

[pharos_gryphon]

Revan312 wrote...

That's exactly what I wanted with Samara, a talk it out option that explores more in depth with her character rather than sex.  I could care less about the love scenes, in fact they cheapen the whole mood for me as most of them just seem cheesy and rushed.  I'd just like to, as a dev would say "emotionally engage" with Samara and have my femshep create a more intimate bond with her.  Really that's all I want with any character in a game, the sexualisation is just an afterthought to me...

Samara I think it would definately add some more depth to, as it would bring in conflict over her choice of oath never to have children, her personal sacrafices for her belief in Asari justice, etc.  The emotional impact for both her and the player if the player chooses to stay faithful or cheat on her with the 'ship fling' would exponentially increased too, were that an option as well.  The dialogue would be amazing I should think.

As was posted just above you, Garrus would be interesting.  He was such a 'Spectre Jr.' and idolized you so much in the first one, it just seems like it'd be a naturally fitting scenario for his idolization to become an emotional attachment.  His actions since the end of ME1, and your character's view of them, would offer a chance to drastically affect him on an emotional and psychological level.  Whether he thinks your expectations are too high or not worth living up to, or whether you support the choices he's made... again, just seems like it'd be fertile ground for some amazing dialogue between characters.

[tangalin]

Personally, I'd be happy with a cute girl to talk and cuddle (no sex) as a F/F romance... Kira Shepard loves cuddles

[danman2424]

ERJAK2 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
FYI, opposing gay marriage or homosexuality in general does not necessarily make you a bigot. A bigot usually bears contempt for someone based on the way that person looks, or where they come from. One is not  a bigot just because they disagree with something a person prefers or takes participation in. You can be a bigot for disliking someone because they have dark skin. but you are not really a bigot for disliking someone's actions because you find them reprehensible. That would be like calling someone a bigot of thieves just because he/she expresses distaste for what a thief does.

Wow, did you just use an analogy of thievery in comparison to homosexuality?  Let the Flames begin!!

Uh no. I used thieves as an example for a "group" of people that someone might not support or favor, due to their actions, rather than blind hatred just because they look a certain way.

It's a poor example. Thievery is illegal, homosexuality is not. Thievery results in directly harming an individual not involved in the act, homosexuality does not. Thievery usually requires other illegal things to be done before the theft can take place. Homosexuality does not. Homosexuality is closer to being of a specific ethnic group then thievery.

Homosexuality is not even close to being a specific ethnic group. A person of any ethnic group can be gay, but a gay person cannot be a member of any ethnic group.

[Eternal Dust]

danman2424 wrote...
Why do you feel homosexuality should be accepted?

Why shouldn't it? Is it killing off your friends and family? Is it infringing on your own relationships in any manner? Does it make your marriage less meaningful? Is it destroying the ozone layer? Is it melting the ice caps? Does it harm you in any way?

No.

[ERJAK2]

Gladiador2 wrote...

Gay marriages are nonsense rituals that some non-satisfied *maricas* want to have in order to try to diminish the void they've in their materialistic gay lives. IM*G*A

Besides, that's not the point of this thread


*That's "G" for "gay" ^^

Obvious troll is obvious, but, just for kicks, I'll through ya a bone. Gay =/= materialistic, that's not even a stereotype of gay relationships. Second of all, this is America(for the most part) if you're not materialistic you're doing something wrong. Finally, gay people want to get married for the same reason straight people (supposedly) do, love (not to mention all the legal stuff.).

Heh, imagine the alliance trying to hold out a marriage licencse from gay renegade shep.
"Would you rather be 'immoral' or a corpse?" 

Modifié par ERJAK2, 24 janvier 2010 - 06:03 .

[Revan312]

danman2424 wrote...
To be quite honest, I'm undecided on the whole matter. I feel there is more information that needs to come out before I come to a conclusive stance on the issue. How about you? Why do you feel homosexuality should be accepted?

Well, since a homosexual couple has no bearing on my life and said couple hurts nobody by being together, married or no, I have zero problems with it in any way shape or form.  They have no different wants, needs or values as anyone else so claiming that part of their relationship is wrong (not you) when you have nothing to do with it seems either religiously motivated, which I won't get into my opinions on that subject, or just ignorant.

But, back on topic again, I feel that my ultimate ending for ME2 would be sorta like the Leliana ending in DA:O where my femshep would just head off into the galaxy with her, righting wrongs and such.  In a way I'd just like to kinda have my femshep become a justicar like Samara.  Though it seems that minus Zev's possible "tag along" at the end of DA:O Bioware like any other company isn't big on making ending's involve anyone that your character hasn't slept with *shrugs*

[Vaulin Faust]

Gladiador2 wrote...

Gay marriages are nonsense rituals that some non-satisfied *maricas* want to have in order to try to diminish the void they've in their materialistic gay lives. IM*G*A

Besides, that's not the point of this thread


*That's "G" for "gay" ^^

Judgements & hatemongering.

I like how you know so much about a sect of people you know so little about nor fraternize with.

On topic, there's plenty of valid reasons for, and only preposterous reasons against, the option, beyond Bioware just didn't feel like it. 

We'll see exactly what's what in just 2 days.

[AlanC9]

danman2424 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Lmao, The Sims, WoW, Spore and MW2 are the only games that sold higher in 2009, get you facts straight, it wasn't niche.  It was all over television ads and the internet was innundated with DA:O talk. .

For a dungeon crawler, yes, it sold well. That doesn't change the fact that it was in a niche genre and certainly not in the same stratosphere as Mass Effect.

So your definition of "niche" has nothing to do with actual sales numbers? This is the second time this week I'm going to have to ask if you seriously mean what you're saying.

[ERJAK2]

danman2424 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
FYI, opposing gay marriage or homosexuality in general does not necessarily make you a bigot. A bigot usually bears contempt for someone based on the way that person looks, or where they come from. One is not  a bigot just because they disagree with something a person prefers or takes participation in. You can be a bigot for disliking someone because they have dark skin. but you are not really a bigot for disliking someone's actions because you find them reprehensible. That would be like calling someone a bigot of thieves just because he/she expresses distaste for what a thief does.

Wow, did you just use an analogy of thievery in comparison to homosexuality?  Let the Flames begin!!

Uh no. I used thieves as an example for a "group" of people that someone might not support or favor, due to their actions, rather than blind hatred just because they look a certain way.

It's a poor example. Thievery is illegal, homosexuality is not. Thievery results in directly harming an individual not involved in the act, homosexuality does not. Thievery usually requires other illegal things to be done before the theft can take place. Homosexuality does not. Homosexuality is closer to being of a specific ethnic group then thievery.

Homosexuality is not even close to being a specific ethnic group. A person of any ethnic group can be gay, but a gay person cannot be a member of any ethnic group.

Yes, but it is closer to ethnicity then thievery, because you are most often born with it. There are people who choose to be "gay" for lack of a much longer explanation of what I mean there, which is why it's not the exactly the same.