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I completely support the inclusion of m/m and f/f options. I loved being able to romance Zevran with my (male) noble in DA:O and I purposefully did not engage in romance in a few of my ME1 plays because I pictured those Sheps as gay. I honestly don't see what the problem with this content is. Romances are optional, you don't have to do them if you don't want.
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#177
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:43
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ME 1 in the uk was rated as a 12 ME 2 is rated 15 if Bioware wanted ME 2 a adult rated game they could have done same sex romance. They have never said they wanted ME as a adult only game so stop moaning about the lack of adult content in a non adult game. Just because in the US the game got a M rating doesn't mean it got the same everwhere else.
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Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:44
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Let me just say something.
First off, I support Bioware's decision of not including same-sex relationships into their game. Personally I think they're not going that way because they concluded they made a mistake by making also a female Shep not just a male one (something I too think was a big mistake), but also having her engage in something that many would see as homosexual relationship (even though TPTB expressly said the Asari are not female, but are gender-neutral).
Second, you're all waving the banners of the freedom of speech so excitedly, yet as soon as someone doesn't agree with you, you beat them down, attack them and throw insults at them, trolls and homophobes being the nicest ones. The only ones being aggressive and intolerant from the very start are you. This is the perpetual devil's circle: many times the most intolerant/racist groups are the minorities (whether racial or based on sexual/philosophical/etc orientation).
Personally I don't support gay and lesbian relationships and the including of them in any games. I also don't think they should be allowed to get married, much less get the right to raise children (because there's no way those children would be well-adjusted and would have no problems clicking into the rest of the society because there's no chance they wouldn't be raised by their "parents" to be the same as these "parents" are). First step is letting gays marry, then it's only downhill because that would set off the avalanche rolling down the hillside. What's next after that? Legalizing incest? Legalizing other perversions that are illegal for good reasons?
Where do political correctness and "tolerance" and open-mindedness have their limits? Do they even have them? If gays get the freedom to marriage and adoption, using the excuse that love doesn't care for the physicalities, when will those who want to legalize incest start using it in their support or the other groups who engage in perverse acts?
Bring on your forks and torches, I don't care. I'll laugh in your faces as I burn.
Further more, stop spamming this forum with the same thread, being repeated for the nth time. Chris has already demanded of you to NOT restart it!!!! Going against his orders is not doing you any favors, just as spamming and this aggressive campaigning isn't.
There was one member who complained that violence is not taboo, while same-sex is. It may come as a surprise to some, but the fact remains that violence is a characteristic of the human race, it's an intricate part of us, of who we are, violence is NATURAL. Homosexuality, on the other hand, isn't. Ask any biologist if you don't believe me. The only natural sexual orientation is heterosexual. Why? because the purpose of sex is not to make you feel good, but to insure the continuation of the species. Homosexuality does NOT insure the continuation of the species, in fact just the opposite, it insures the degradation of the human species, just as other sexual excesses and perversions.
A great example of it being a factor in the end of a civilization are the Ancient Romans and Greeks, for whom in later stages orgies, immorality, homosexuality and other perversions of the sexual act were the characteristic and the contributing factor why their civilizations were destroyed. Their civilizations ended because they became too perverted and twisted and have distanced and changed themselves too much from the original form: family centered civilizations, based on heterosexual relationships (who are also the only ones to survive thousands of years). Many scientists are already saying the same will happen to the western civilization soon (this or next century) if we go on like that. We'll collapse from the inside. Thus, homosexuality not only unnatural, but also anti-natural. Homosexuals are also to thank for HIV/AIDS... the first appearance of it was in the San Francisco gay community.
I'm exercising my freedom of speech and thinking, something you've not only exercised, but exploited to promote your ravings.
I don't have anything against homos, as long as they don't try to throw the weight political correctness gives them around or behave as if they are more or better than heteros. Another thing that bugs me is their/your hyper-sensitivity. Unfair things happen to EVERYone, yet homos are the only ones who take it personally and start immediately screaming about discrimination, even about things that don't have anything to do with it, and about trivial things, like getting passed by in a cue by another customer in a store. Yeah, I saw that happen with my own two eyes, a gayman start screaming about discrimination and threatening the other person with violence for taking away his rights and other bs. Further more, for some sexuality is an interesting trend and they claim they're that because they think it's trendy, or cool or anything like that. I' also baffled why people who claim are heterosexual men/women, are such staunch campaigners for the inclusion of homosexual elements in games that don't have them (and for their avatars have female-looking gender-neutral aliens). That's as baffling as the men who are such strong supporters of radical feminists/female supremacists the likes of Marilyn French.
The problem with the western civilizations is that everyone (politicians especially) has become so conformist and politically correct and so afraid of being branded anything (homophobe for example) that they're terrified of saying and/or doing the things that deserve to be said/done.
Frankly, I hope Chris locks this topic and bans these topics altogether, together with banning the members who insist on starting them.
First off, I support Bioware's decision of not including same-sex relationships into their game. Personally I think they're not going that way because they concluded they made a mistake by making also a female Shep not just a male one (something I too think was a big mistake), but also having her engage in something that many would see as homosexual relationship (even though TPTB expressly said the Asari are not female, but are gender-neutral).
Second, you're all waving the banners of the freedom of speech so excitedly, yet as soon as someone doesn't agree with you, you beat them down, attack them and throw insults at them, trolls and homophobes being the nicest ones. The only ones being aggressive and intolerant from the very start are you. This is the perpetual devil's circle: many times the most intolerant/racist groups are the minorities (whether racial or based on sexual/philosophical/etc orientation).
Personally I don't support gay and lesbian relationships and the including of them in any games. I also don't think they should be allowed to get married, much less get the right to raise children (because there's no way those children would be well-adjusted and would have no problems clicking into the rest of the society because there's no chance they wouldn't be raised by their "parents" to be the same as these "parents" are). First step is letting gays marry, then it's only downhill because that would set off the avalanche rolling down the hillside. What's next after that? Legalizing incest? Legalizing other perversions that are illegal for good reasons?
Where do political correctness and "tolerance" and open-mindedness have their limits? Do they even have them? If gays get the freedom to marriage and adoption, using the excuse that love doesn't care for the physicalities, when will those who want to legalize incest start using it in their support or the other groups who engage in perverse acts?
Bring on your forks and torches, I don't care. I'll laugh in your faces as I burn.
Further more, stop spamming this forum with the same thread, being repeated for the nth time. Chris has already demanded of you to NOT restart it!!!! Going against his orders is not doing you any favors, just as spamming and this aggressive campaigning isn't.
There was one member who complained that violence is not taboo, while same-sex is. It may come as a surprise to some, but the fact remains that violence is a characteristic of the human race, it's an intricate part of us, of who we are, violence is NATURAL. Homosexuality, on the other hand, isn't. Ask any biologist if you don't believe me. The only natural sexual orientation is heterosexual. Why? because the purpose of sex is not to make you feel good, but to insure the continuation of the species. Homosexuality does NOT insure the continuation of the species, in fact just the opposite, it insures the degradation of the human species, just as other sexual excesses and perversions.
A great example of it being a factor in the end of a civilization are the Ancient Romans and Greeks, for whom in later stages orgies, immorality, homosexuality and other perversions of the sexual act were the characteristic and the contributing factor why their civilizations were destroyed. Their civilizations ended because they became too perverted and twisted and have distanced and changed themselves too much from the original form: family centered civilizations, based on heterosexual relationships (who are also the only ones to survive thousands of years). Many scientists are already saying the same will happen to the western civilization soon (this or next century) if we go on like that. We'll collapse from the inside. Thus, homosexuality not only unnatural, but also anti-natural. Homosexuals are also to thank for HIV/AIDS... the first appearance of it was in the San Francisco gay community.
I'm exercising my freedom of speech and thinking, something you've not only exercised, but exploited to promote your ravings.
I don't have anything against homos, as long as they don't try to throw the weight political correctness gives them around or behave as if they are more or better than heteros. Another thing that bugs me is their/your hyper-sensitivity. Unfair things happen to EVERYone, yet homos are the only ones who take it personally and start immediately screaming about discrimination, even about things that don't have anything to do with it, and about trivial things, like getting passed by in a cue by another customer in a store. Yeah, I saw that happen with my own two eyes, a gayman start screaming about discrimination and threatening the other person with violence for taking away his rights and other bs. Further more, for some sexuality is an interesting trend and they claim they're that because they think it's trendy, or cool or anything like that. I' also baffled why people who claim are heterosexual men/women, are such staunch campaigners for the inclusion of homosexual elements in games that don't have them (and for their avatars have female-looking gender-neutral aliens). That's as baffling as the men who are such strong supporters of radical feminists/female supremacists the likes of Marilyn French.
The problem with the western civilizations is that everyone (politicians especially) has become so conformist and politically correct and so afraid of being branded anything (homophobe for example) that they're terrified of saying and/or doing the things that deserve to be said/done.
Frankly, I hope Chris locks this topic and bans these topics altogether, together with banning the members who insist on starting them.
#179
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:47
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Of course, I support this - moving on.
I have to wonder "Why?"
Bioware has proven time and again that they are a progressive company when it comes to game design as well as cultural topics in video games. Though making the "gay options" bisexual is annoying - it cannot be ignored that the options (for gay romances) have been made in the past.I understand why they must cater to a calcified majoirty who wants tradition over progress - that's where the money is.
I've just gotta wonder what the conversations are like at Bioware. I can't imagine (don't want to) a place where they're happy to have not included the material. So, is it an experiment to gauge just how vocal this "minority" will be when not included? Was it some genuine "space/time" issue that I don't understand? Perhaps something that has been intentionally left out for the sake of the story (and "because Shepard isn't gay" is an insult - I pay for the game - he IS gay in my game.) but will be integrated - answered in some way later?
I know the issue will likely never be addressed in anything more than placating lip service. Companies neuter their employees even if they want to speak openly and honestly about a topic. Still - I have to wonder.
I have to wonder "Why?"
Bioware has proven time and again that they are a progressive company when it comes to game design as well as cultural topics in video games. Though making the "gay options" bisexual is annoying - it cannot be ignored that the options (for gay romances) have been made in the past.I understand why they must cater to a calcified majoirty who wants tradition over progress - that's where the money is.
I've just gotta wonder what the conversations are like at Bioware. I can't imagine (don't want to) a place where they're happy to have not included the material. So, is it an experiment to gauge just how vocal this "minority" will be when not included? Was it some genuine "space/time" issue that I don't understand? Perhaps something that has been intentionally left out for the sake of the story (and "because Shepard isn't gay" is an insult - I pay for the game - he IS gay in my game.) but will be integrated - answered in some way later?
I know the issue will likely never be addressed in anything more than placating lip service. Companies neuter their employees even if they want to speak openly and honestly about a topic. Still - I have to wonder.
#180
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:49
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@ Anonymous
Frankly, I don't see how "I don't have anything against homos" fits in your bigoted, uneducated post.
Frankly, I don't see how "I don't have anything against homos" fits in your bigoted, uneducated post.
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#181
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:50
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powace1975 wrote...
ME 1 in the uk was rated as a 12 ME 2 is rated 15 if Bioware wanted ME 2 a adult rated game they could have done same sex romance. They have never said they wanted ME as a adult only game so stop moaning about the lack of adult content in a non adult game. Just because in the US the game got a M rating doesn't mean it got the same everwhere else.
I don't think anyone has been asking for nudity, or any other 'adult' content. I fail to see how the inclusion of another romance, gay or otherwise, would alter the rating any. Besides which we're already talking about a game that includes murder, violence, blood, sex, drugs, and language. One man telling another 'I love you' would hardly soil it any.
That being said, I'm in full support of a same sex romance option. If nothing else, threads like this show Bioware that it -is- something important to the community, and if not in Mass Effect 2 it'll hopefully increase the odds of it being in future games. I had hoped we'd see at least something in ME2, but if one was in it I'd have expected it to have been leaked by now. =/
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Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:51
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I support for this as well. It's only fair.
#183
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:53
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I fully support this is well. Fairness is key - to all players.
#185
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:55
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Logically, yeah it's the right thing to do.
Personally? I still subscribe to the school of thought that says "gays are icky." I'm not going to miss it, and I'm even going to clap quietly at it's absence.
Personally? I still subscribe to the school of thought that says "gays are icky." I'm not going to miss it, and I'm even going to clap quietly at it's absence.
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#186
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:55
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So what's your opinion about these romance options with Aliens then? In reality they don't exist of course, so it's irrelevant, but don't most or even all arguments against same-sex relationships apply to human-alien relationships as well? In fact, it'd certainly be even more "against nature". Yet no one seems to go to the Tali or Garrus threads and tell them to shut up (or maybe someone has, as I don't even have an interest in reading them).
#187
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:57
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Let me just say something... (Wall o' Text)
This has got to be a joke. It has to be, right? Please tell me this guy isn't serious or I'm loosing faith in humanity very quickly.
And for you information, it's not only homosexuals asking for this option. I'm a straight guy and support a m/m and f/f romance in the game.
#188
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 02:58
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I fully suport the option to include them.
#189
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:00
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bjdbwea wrote...
Yet no one seems to go to the Tali or Garrus threads and tell them to shut up (or maybe someone has, as I don't even have an interest in reading them).
No, people don't do that to their threads. Their desires for Tal/Garrus romance are respected around here.
Those that want gay or lesbian content don't deserve the same kind of respect apparently.
#191
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:13
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As a heterosexual I fully support the inclusion of same sex romance option in ME2.
For me it simply comes down to having more option in character interaction and development and that can only be a good thing in my book.
For me it simply comes down to having more option in character interaction and development and that can only be a good thing in my book.
#192
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:13
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Forsythia wrote...
Let me just say something... (Wall o' Text)
This has got to be a joke. It has to be, right? Please tell me this guy isn't serious or I'm loosing faith in humanity very quickly.
And for you information, it's not only homosexuals asking for this option. I'm a straight guy and support a m/m and f/f romance in the game.
Same for me.
I don't think he knows animals can be homosexual in the wild, and that the Ancient Greeks practised sodomy quite freely.
#193
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:17
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As Chris would sayVerbraucher wrote...
Let me just say something.
First off, I support Bioware's decision of not including same-sex relationships into their game. Personally I think they're not going that way because they concluded they made a mistake by making also a female Shep not just a male one (something I too think was a big mistake), but also having her engage in something that many would see as homosexual relationship (even though TPTB expressly said the Asari are not female, but are gender-neutral).
Second, you're all waving the banners of the freedom of speech so excitedly, yet as soon as someone doesn't agree with you, you beat them down, attack them and throw insults at them, trolls and homophobes being the nicest ones. The only ones being aggressive and intolerant from the very start are you. This is the perpetual devil's circle: many times the most intolerant/racist groups are the minorities (whether racial or based on sexual/philosophical/etc orientation).
Personally I don't support gay and lesbian relationships and the including of them in any games. I also don't think they should be allowed to get married, much less get the right to raise children (because there's no way those children would be well-adjusted and would have no problems clicking into the rest of the society because there's no chance they wouldn't be raised by their "parents" to be the same as these "parents" are). First step is letting gays marry, then it's only downhill because that would set off the avalanche rolling down the hillside. What's next after that? Legalizing incest? Legalizing other perversions that are illegal for good reasons?
Where do political correctness and "tolerance" and open-mindedness have their limits? Do they even have them? If gays get the freedom to marriage and adoption, using the excuse that love doesn't care for the physicalities, when will those who want to legalize incest start using it in their support or the other groups who engage in perverse acts?
Bring on your forks and torches, I don't care. I'll laugh in your faces as I burn.
Further more, stop spamming this forum with the same thread, being repeated for the nth time. Chris has already demanded of you to NOT restart it!!!! Going against his orders is not doing you any favors, just as spamming and this aggressive campaigning isn't.
There was one member who complained that violence is not taboo, while same-sex is. It may come as a surprise to some, but the fact remains that violence is a characteristic of the human race, it's an intricate part of us, of who we are, violence is NATURAL. Homosexuality, on the other hand, isn't. Ask any biologist if you don't believe me. The only natural sexual orientation is heterosexual. Why? because the purpose of sex is not to make you feel good, but to insure the continuation of the species. Homosexuality does NOT insure the continuation of the species, in fact just the opposite, it insures the degradation of the human species, just as other sexual excesses and perversions.
A great example of it being a factor in the end of a civilization are the Ancient Romans and Greeks, for whom in later stages orgies, immorality, homosexuality and other perversions of the sexual act were the characteristic and the contributing factor why their civilizations were destroyed. Their civilizations ended because they became too perverted and twisted and have distanced and changed themselves too much from the original form: family centered civilizations, based on heterosexual relationships (who are also the only ones to survive thousands of years). Many scientists are already saying the same will happen to the western civilization soon (this or next century) if we go on like that. We'll collapse from the inside. Thus, homosexuality not only unnatural, but also anti-natural. Homosexuals are also to thank for HIV/AIDS... the first appearance of it was in the San Francisco gay community.
I'm exercising my freedom of speech and thinking, something you've not only exercised, but exploited to promote your ravings.
I don't have anything against homos, as long as they don't try to throw the weight political correctness gives them around or behave as if they are more or better than heteros. Another thing that bugs me is their/your hyper-sensitivity. Unfair things happen to EVERYone, yet homos are the only ones who take it personally and start immediately screaming about discrimination, even about things that don't have anything to do with it, and about trivial things, like getting passed by in a cue by another customer in a store. Yeah, I saw that happen with my own two eyes, a gayman start screaming about discrimination and threatening the other person with violence for taking away his rights and other bs. Further more, for some sexuality is an interesting trend and they claim they're that because they think it's trendy, or cool or anything like that. I' also baffled why people who claim are heterosexual men/women, are such staunch campaigners for the inclusion of homosexual elements in games that don't have them (and for their avatars have female-looking gender-neutral aliens). That's as baffling as the men who are such strong supporters of radical feminists/female supremacists the likes of Marilyn French.
The problem with the western civilizations is that everyone (politicians especially) has become so conformist and politically correct and so afraid of being branded anything (homophobe for example) that they're terrified of saying and/or doing the things that deserve to be said/done.
Frankly, I hope Chris locks this topic and bans these topics altogether, together with banning the members who insist on starting them.
Thank you for your opinion
#194
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:34
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If this was just about gay and lesbian players wanting same sex romances i would surport it .But it isn't it's mostly about males playing femshep not being able to have they F/F lesbian fantasys with all the new female squad members.Bioware will not risk the game getting banned in some places and bad press in others just so a bunch of guys that played femsheps can pretend that they are a lesbian.Grow up guys if you want to romance a female squad mate play a male shepard,if you want to pretend your a woman thats your call. But don't moan when Bioware don't let you be a lesbian thats just sad.
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Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:38
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The55PercentCrew wrote...
I support gay romance in media, but I don't enjoy it. Civil rights have come a far way. Homosexuals are freer than they have ever been here in north America. With more hard work and persistence they will soon be able to marry. I respect that freedom, but this community should also respect Biowares freedom to not put gay romance in their games. When you force these things on studios you are taking their freedom. That is oppression and it is exactly what we are fighting against.
This is actually a very good point. I'd advise you just ignore Mox, as all he's really trying to do here is push his own agenda (so far I've seen him attempt to bring it back to ME2 selling out as a shooter, and also the "furry" crap, which is frankly just as ignorant and hateful as opposing same-sex relationships in this game)
DaeJi wrote...
Too many of the threads discussing gay and lesbian romaces become battlefields between people who want them and people who don't. I support this content, and realize that if that kind of atmosphere is continued, then the odds of us ever seeing this will decrease ever rapidly. A same sex DLC, if the option is not already in the game, would be a simple to make DLC that would please many fans. I hope that this thread is not closed down, I am not trying to make a spam thread or anything like that.
This thread is for the purpose of expressing support for such content, ways to impliment a DLC, ways to make it a great DLC, etc. This is not a discussion thread for whether or not we should have it. If you disagree with the notion of a same sex DLC, I ask that you do not post. If you must, create your own thread for it.
Please try to not be hositle or combative. Any constructive imput for this idea is welcomed. And most of all, please do not talk about each other. So, if you want to see this content in the game and have any thoughts on how to do it, why to do it, what you would want from it, who you would want to romance, etc. please feel free to post.
Be civil.
Gotta say, it's nice to see a Same-sex LI support thread with such a civil opener. I completely support the addition of a character with an interesting back-story, that fits into the game as a whole (integrated into the main story-arc). that also happens to be a SS option. Why wouldn't I? The more characters the better IMO. However, as I said, the character would definitely need to have a bigger effect on the whole game than merely being romanceable by a certain gender, else it just won't sell well.
Besides, we still know nothing of the DLC characters that are already/nearly ready to be released right? As far as I knew, BW aren't making reveals on the DLC yet. What are the odds that one of them is a same-sex option? (genuine question)
On a side note. Whilst I did say that I appreciate the thread, you have to agree that it's looking as if it's gonna get a bit out of hand. Considering you'll have people ranting and arguing with one another regardless of which thread you open, I'd imagine the best course is to just stick with those threads and report anyone that makes an obvious attempt at derailment. Also, I'm pretty sure the Devs are likely to pay more attention to a 1k page thread on same-sex LIs, than they are to a dozen 50 page ones
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#196
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:38
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Damn it, I knew Dragon Age and Jade Empire didn't have lesbian/gay romances.
In other words, powace1975, what?
In other words, powace1975, what?
#197
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:41
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Just because they put it some of there games doesn't mean they have to put it in ME 2
#198
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:46
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As true as that is, it's a disappointment. It's a pretty consistent feature of many BioWare RPGs, and the absence is a bit strange.
There's no reason why there can't be any.
There's no reason why there can't be any.
#199
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:49
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Anonymous.... if you're going to post a misinformed, bigoted wall of hate, at least have the balls to register an account. What little respect I might have afforded your beliefs went up in flames due to your cowardice.
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Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 03:54
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Well i put that down to Bioware not wanting there flagship game on the Xbox 360 and PC getting into the same mess ME 1 did. Bioware would not be able to use there was no F/F romance card in ME 2 with any of the new female squad mates.
