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Does anyone feel the companions are more secure in their convictions than usual?


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Dean_the_Young

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First impressions I've had after seeing the new information about the companions.

 

Does anyone else feel there's a unifying theme of unapologetic convictions across this round of companions?

 

 

I have a hard time putting it in good words, but many games will have common or unifying points or narrative devices common to major characters. Sometimes this is deliberate, and sometimes not so much. In ME2 the deliberate side was the idea of 'the best of the best', along with the common form of development in which the loyalty mission was used to develop a completely different side of the character you wouldn't know before just from the recruitment or banter phase. The (probably) non-deliberate side would have been the common 'fixations with father figures', ie 'daddy issues.'

 

DA2 had characters who tended to be fixated or focused on a particular issue, often to an unhealthy degree. Rivalry typically went hand-in-hand with directly confronting the issue to overcome it, while friendship was sympathetic and arguably even indulged it. 'Confrontation and indulgement' might be the common character theme. In DAO... well, I'm not sure. Secret pasts, perhaps? Many of the companions had pasts and key aspects they would keep secret.

 

 

My point is, most of the characters we seem to be getting in DAI are characters who have ethical/principled positions and stances that, while controversial or disagreeable to various degrees, they seem openly unapologetic about. Varric has never apologized for his life style or attitude. Cullen has never exactly wavered in his commitment, even if his severity has. Leliana is unapologetic about her faith and religion, even when it could bring mockery.

 

And the newer companions? Vivienne is a courtly First Enchanter who stayed even when her peers rebelled. The Iron Bull is apologetically Qunari, even if he doesn't live like what we think of it. Sera is supposed to be pro-commoner and openly skeptical of authority figures and appeals to the greater good. Blackwall appears to be an idealist veteran in the Grey Wardens, not an organization known to cultivate or nurture idealists.

 

I don't know enough about Dorian or Solas, but I've seen nothing to suggest they're wavering or anything but strong in their beliefs either. Dorian seems to be a decent guy who walked away from a Magister master- an implicit vouching of character all things considered of the 'typical' magister. Solas... well, he doesn't seem to lack conviction.

 

 

It's easy to say that plenty or even most companions are confident people, but something just strikes me as... developed? More confident? In plenty of the games, the companions are apolitical or don't really define themselves by their convictions, or are identified by their token status as representative of X. But here, almost everyone we see seems to have developed and pronounced attitudes that conflict with others norms, and they don't seem to mind. These are people who have their views, and are confident in them to agree to disagree. Not as the Hawke crew's 'hate eachother but have a mutual friend', but as in 'we're all adults who can reasonably disagree and yet still work together.' Less conversionary attitudes, of 'you should believe this and if you don't you are a bad person,' and more 'I prefer this, but if you disagree oh well.'

 

I've little doubt that at least some of them will be able to have their views challenged and changed over the course of the game as a result of their experiences, but I don't really foresee any of them renouncing their views altogether. Tempering? Sure. Abandoning?

 

 

 

Anyone feel the same, or am I just grasping at too much from too little?


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It is certainly possible. Perhaps each companion wishes to sway the Inquisitor towards his or her cause.


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I see what you mean, Dean. A lot of them do seem that way. That being said, we have very little information about them as of now. Once we get know them a lot more, they could easily change your mind in regards to this topic.



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I think we need to wait and see how the Inquisitor will be able to interact with these characters and their convictions before we can draw any firm conclusions



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Dean_the_Young

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Yeah, I probably should have put 'first impressions' in there somewhere.

 

Doing so now.



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I feel like at first everyone will join the Inquisition for a " noble" goal.

People are dying , the world is in danger , ...

And the more the Inquisition gets power and influence , the more we will see our different companions agenda come to play.

 

The Old Inquisition , when it ended , was a turning point for Thedas.The circles , the templars , the Seeker were created ...the Chantry wouldn't be so powerful today if this didn't happen.

 

So I don't think we're going to have the same type of companion or relationship...I mean the Inquisitor is almost seen as a new "Andraste" , it seems.So I guess the people who are drawn to him/her are either people who wants to change the world , or keep the world the way it is.

I really think things are going to clash left and right with companions, and there's no way to please them all at the end.



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I see what you mean, Dean. A lot of them do seem that way. That being said, we have very little information about them as of now. Once we get know them a lot more, they could easily change your mind in regards to this topic.


I agree. Marketing materials tend to remove subtly, nuance, and ambiguity from characters. Big, dramatic reveals and neat sound bites tend to be more memorable.
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I feel so far that the Inqusition is made up of people who want to stop the breach, but for their own reasons that even if it conflicts with others, they don't care. I like this.



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Iron Bull is not a Qunari



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I sincerely hope not.  I want companions and not a bunch of missionaries for various causes following me around.  I already had 2 missionaries too many from the last game: Fenris and Anders.  I would like to talk to my companions about something else besides their pet causes.



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I agree. Marketing materials tend to remove subtly, nuance, and ambiguity from characters. Big, dramatic reveals and neat sound bites tend to be more memorable.

 

True. A good reason to walk back some of this faith and optimism in the overall maturity of the prospective character companions.

 

I feel so far that the Inqusition is made up of people who want to stop the breach, but for their own reasons that even if it conflicts with others, they don't care. I like this.

 

That's another way of putting it. Thanks.



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Iron Bull is not a Qunari

 

Hm?

 

He is, both in racial terms and in affiliation. He's associated with the secret agent men of the Qun.



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Fenris? missionary? how so? he is betraying everything he stands for.



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He's associated with the secret agent men of the Qun.

is he now? now i like him more.



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Sorry not really seeing any change.

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is he now? now i like him more.


He's Ben-Hassrath, like Talis and Salit, but he acts nothing like the Qunari we've met.

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ok some i just read info about him. i think he should really die. from the looks of it, he can't really decide what to do. He is not a Qunari, not anymore. And he is not a Ben Hassrath as well.


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I'm not sure if I agree DA has always had opinionated companions, that's just it's thing and many of them could not be swayed all that much, especially in DA2. 

 

I am just happy as long as there is allot less extremism in the party this time. DA2 was just too much crazy for me when it came to the companions. 



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ok some i just read info about him. i think he should really die. from the looks of it, he can't really decide what to do. He is not a Qunari, not anymore. And he is not a Ben Hassrath as well.

 

He is, he's still fulfilling his role. He doesn't live by the Qun but he's not supposed to anyway (coz he is undercover) the only problem is that he likes his life and is torn. 



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I actually felt the opposite personally. A lot of these companions seem to be pretty moderate. Iron Bull's going through a confusing period of his life, Cass is questioning her place in the world, Dorian's trying to find the best way to "help" his people, Varric's Varric. A lot of the other companions have strong morals, but those don't necessarily translate to concrete policies. Viv is actually relatively moderate by virtue of being pro-circle and a mage, Blackwall's a bit of a Ned Stark, and like Ned Stark that's put him in conflict with his own faction, Sera's a hothead who trusts her guts more than her brain, it sounds like she's more interested in just helping people out than starting a big campaign. 



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Fenris? missionary? how so? he is betraying everything he stands for.

 

Both he and Anders exist principally to argue different sides in the mage/templar debate.  Virtually every conversation you have with him has to do with how terrible mages are.  Likewise, virtually every conversation you have with Anders has to do with how oppressed mages are.



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He is, he's still fulfilling his role. He doesn't live by the Qun but he's not supposed to anyway (coz he is undercover) the only problem is that he likes his life and is torn. 

you know, one legionnaire under cover shot a captain of another legion, which he infiltrated, in the head. Because despite being a World Eater, he still was an Alpha Legion. And we are one...

So Iron Bull is a Qunari "on paper" only, in my opinion.

 

 

Both he and Anders exist principally to argue different sides in the mage/templar debate.  Virtually every conversation you have with him has to do with how terrible mages are.  Likewise, virtually every conversation you have with Anders has to do with how oppressed mages are.

Fenris is a lying xenos. He will betray his believes about slavery, because in truth all that matter for him is his own self. And what this master of his did to him. He will betray his standing against mages and a circle by siding with Mage Hawke at the endspiel of the game. So no. Fenris is not a missionary of any kind.



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Fenris is a lying xenos. He will betray his believes about slavery, because in truth all that matter for him is his own self. And what this master of his did to him. He will betray his standing against mages and a circle by siding with Mage Hawke at the endspiel of the game. So no. Fenris is not a missionary of any kind.

 

I don't agree with your interpretation of Fenris, but whether he's sincere or not isn't relevant.  There's many a preacher out there yammering away who is a closet pedophile or secretly having an affair. I'm complaining about him being a one trick pony and most of his conversations being dominated by one topic.  Him siding with you (very reluctantly and only with high rivalry/approval) ten minutes from the end game doesn't change the fact that he he spent the last 20 odd hours yammering about how dangerous and despicable mages are.


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Maybe, but some of the Dragon Age 2 companions were already plenty stalwart and headstrong about their beliefs too. For example, there was no way of stopping Anders from exploding the Kirkwall chantry because his belief in mage rights was firmly unshakable. He wasn't exactly apologetic about it either, kind of like how Merrill continued to justify her use of blood magic.

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Both he and Anders exist principally to argue different sides in the mage/templar debate.  Virtually every conversation you have with him has to do with how terrible mages are.  Likewise, virtually every conversation you have with Anders has to do with how oppressed mages are.

 

I have to agree. I started the game thinking "Ok. Anders. I feel for you." But then I quickly realized every conversation had to deal with mages. Like....absolutely. Nothing. Else. did he say about any other topic. SOMEthing completely random would still be connected to mages suffering.

 

PLEASE, writers, DO NOT write another character like Anders. Fine. Make them have a goal their passionate about. But give them some depth somewhere. I'm not sure if anyone else agree with me or not. I don't necessarily care. But coming off of DA:O (and I'm not a HUGE fan of DA:O), I felt incredibly spoiled by the depth of those characters. Then I get Anders and...ugh. Plus, he was the only mage healer. Thank goodness I was a mage my second runthrough. I dropped him and never spoke or saw him unless forced.