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[Realmzmaster]

Many others and myself pointed out many threads ago that many of the the writing and programming team members have been around since BG1. Many posters on this forum do not take the time or effort to read the credits on screen or in the manual before they post.

 

I like the use of interns. Many of those interns are going to be the next great programmer or writer. The company can mold them into what is needed and at the same time help the intern develop. There are very few interns on Bioware teams. Most companies make use of interns. Some companies even partner with institutions of higher learning to get the talent they need.

 

I liked DA2's story and I liked the game. YMMV. I did not consider the writing any better or worst than DAO,  I have already pre-ordered the game.

[Leliana-is-dead]

That's still incorrect.

 

The executive producer (Mark Darrah) worked on the original Baldur's Gate.

 

 

I just did a quick peek at the Windows version of DAO's credits.

 

 

Mark Darrah (EP)

Mike Laidlaw (Lead Designer -> Creative Lead)

Nathan Frederick (QA Lead)

Matt Goldman (Senior Artist -> Art Lead)

Shane Hawco (Lead Character Artist)

Tyler Lee (GUI Artist/Lead GUI)

Warren Heise (GUI Artist)

Jon Perry (Cin Design)

Jon Epp (Cin Design)

 

Yaron Jakobs (Lead Tech Design)

 

Tech Designers (Kaelin Lavallee, Grant MacKay, Cori May, Josh Stiksma, Keith Warner)

Writers (David Gaider, Sheryl Chee, Mary Kirby, Lukas Kristjanson)

 

 

I could go on and on and on.  A lot of the programmers are still here (many of which go back further than DAO).

 

 

 

EDIT: As I look through this it's actually pretty surprising how many people are still around....

 

Well, as much as it pains me to admit this, that's not bad

 

Although David Gaider is defo my least favourite writer, the others ain't bad.

 

Right:

 

 

Umm.... you do realize that the Kotaku review of ME3 was strongly positive and their DA2 review was somewhat mixed but still favorable, right?

 

That's the problem. In my opinion, Mass effect 3's only problem was not just the ending. Stuff like Kai Leng as a whole, the planet scanning, Geth now wanna be real boys, The child being the crux of shepherds guilt even if he lost his entire squad on akuze or fucked up on suicide mission, how they treated the ME2 characters, the reduced voice acting budget meaning Kal'reeger and others couldn't return, Diana Allers to butter up IGN, Kai Leng (So bad it needs to be said twice), EDI getting a new body and acting more human, rather then staying as a side but interesting character, The gay guy's character being entirely "Look how gay I am." (Seriously, all he talks about is his husband and his husband), Sprites in the background ,only one hub The list  goes on.

 

Kotaku origanaly had a very high review for DA2, it was only when people played it that they changed their mind. Video game journalism as a whole is pretty corrupt, and Kotaku, IGN and Gamespot are the worst about it.

[blueumi]

I have pre ordered it for ps3 instead of my ps4 just in case it's as bad and 2 and me3 

 

This is a third strike and you're out deal for me even if dragon age inquisition is good i'm not buying the next mass effect and i'm going to wait to see if the new ip is even worth my time

[quinwhisperer]

That's the problem. In my opinion, Mass effect 3's only problem was not just the ending. Stuff like Kai Leng as a whole, the planet scanning, Geth now wanna be real boys, The child being the crux of shepherds guilt even if he lost his entire squad on akuze or fucked up on suicide mission, how they treated the ME2 characters, the reduced voice acting budget meaning Kal'reeger and others couldn't return, Diana Allers to butter up IGN, Kai Leng (So bad it needs to be said twice), EDI getting a new body and acting more human, rather then staying as a side but interesting character, The gay guy's character being entirely "Look how gay I am." (Seriously, all he talks about is his husband and his husband), Sprites in the background ,only one hub The list goes on.

Kotaku origanaly had a very high review for DA2, it was only when people played it that they changed their mind. Video game journalism as a whole is pretty corrupt, and Kotaku, IGN and Gamespot are the worst about it.

"Look how gay I am", seriously? Just because Cortez talked about his DEAD husband?

[Th0r1369]

"Look how gay I am", seriously? Just because Cortez talked about his DEAD husband?

Seriously!!!

 

I had no problems with that character at all. He was mourning the loss of a loved one, who cares that his loved one happened to be of the same gender.. There was also a lot more to his character than just that.

 

Someone needs to be a bit less homophobic, imo.

[Leliana-is-dead]

"Look how gay I am", seriously? Just because Cortez talked about his DEAD husband?

Because it's all his character was.

 

I think, If I were to play the game again, the amount of conversations with him that don't mention his husband (If you don't romance him) can be counted on one hand. He's a solider how goes in tears during his shift whilst listening to his dead husband. His entire character resolves around this.

 

Compare that to Traynor, who is arguably the best written character in that game. Smart, witty, Actually capable of being a shadow broker unlike Liara. She has interests, fears, doubts and hopes. Steve is just "Muh husband Shepard."

 

For all Bioware's talk of Inclusion some of their Gay characters are flimsy 2d characters.

[Yrkoon]

It always weirds me out when people praise the writing in DAO and say it was terrible in DA2 when the writing team was almost identical across both games.

Does it matter that the writers were the same? Two distinct pieces of writing are not going to be automatically equal in brilliance  simply because the same writers wrote both of them. We're dealing with humans here, not machines.

 

I mean, maybe people think the writing was bad because the game was rushed - I don't agree, but it's a position one could take - but I have actually seen people complain that DA2 was made by a bunch of hacks. If so, it was pretty much the same bunch of hacks who made DAO.

I, personally, have no idea why DA2's writing wasn't up to par. Nor do I care. The only thing I care about is that it just wasn't as good. It managed to not be as good as DA:O's despite the fact that they had a better plot line to work with. DA2 was a personal story, while DA:O's was a cliché "save the world from the big bad evil".

There's no reason why DA2's writing couldn't have been twice as good by virtue of its subject matter alone. But... it failed to be. Like just about every other feature in DA2, Bioware found a way to miss...and fumble... and trip up.

[Dussan2]

Am I the only one that really liked Dragon Age 2?  I understand the flaws, but good god, the hate is 

 

Because it's all his character was.

 

I think, If I were to play the game again, the amount of conversations with him that don't mention his husband (If you don't romance him) can be counted on one hand. He's a solider how goes in tears during his shift whilst listening to his dead husband. His entire character resolves around this.

 

Compare that to Traynor, who is arguably the best written character in that game. Smart, witty, Actually capable of being a shadow broker unlike Liara. She has interests, fears, doubts and hopes. Steve is just "Muh husband Shepard."

 

For all Bioware's talk of Inclusion some of their Gay characters are flimsy 2d characters.

 

Agree with everything but your Liara crack.  I thought she was awesome in ME3. 

 

Traynor was a very well rounded character who was not defined by her being a lesbian.  I was pissed she was a lesbian, but since my renegade run is with a female Shepard and Kaiden Alenko is a total ******, dropping his ass for her was a no brainer.

 

I think a lot of folks, me included, disliked how Cortez's whole identity seemed wrapped around the fact that he had a husband.  I liked him a little better in the Citadel DLC, 

[Kantr]

I would consider pre-ordering... if BioWare could get on the ball and release some system requirements already. Come on, BioPeople, we're like 15 weeks away from release and you guys still can't tell us what specs we even need to play the game? How much longer can the game possibly stay in "alpha" anyway? Are you guys going to start beta testing like 3 weeks before launch or something. This probably doesn't inspire confidence in the people who felt burned by DA2 and ME3. Just saying.

Thats been adressed in another topic. They dont yet know.

[Bugsie]

Given Cortez was essentially a NPC romance, it didn't get the same development as the main characters. Traynors was far better but it wasn't a patch on many of the others.

This seems to be the main forum fear - that NPC romances won't have the depth that other player characters will have and maybe they have a reason to be concerned about that.

In regard to pre ordering I think I've only ever done that with games I knew would sell out quickly and which I wanted to play straight away or wanted a physical copy of the game. I'm not interested in the extra paraphernalia that comes with some of it - that blowup omniblade I got with ME3 is just collecting dust!

[Andraste_Reborn]

Does it matter that the writers were the same? Two distinct pieces of writing are not going to be automatically equal in brilliance  simply because the same writers wrote both of them. We're dealing with humans here, not machines.

 

To clarify, I mean specifically the people who said the DA2 writing team were terrible hacks and should be fired. If they liked the writing in DAO, that really didn't seem to make much sense. "DA2's wrting was terrible and the writers need to do better" is a coherent position, albeit one I disagree with.

 

Of course, I say that as someone who thinks DA2 was, on average, a better-written game than DAO.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

(a bit off topic, but looking at that list, it's depressing to see how little women worked on origins)

I'm sorry, why is this such a bad thing exactly? Men have been doing a fine job with the video game industry for the last 30 years. 

 

I'm not opposed to more women working in the gaming industry, but I'm not hailing it as a crucial development that will greatly improve all of our previously miserable and pathetic male lives somehow. Men can function fine without a woman around. Men are perfectly capabale of coming up with great stories, great gameplay, great games all on their own.

 

I'm sick and tired of people pretending everything sucks without a woman's touch. Either they are there or they are not, nobody needs to feel guilty about words like ''male-dominated''. It's not a negative word by definition.

[godModeAlpha]

Back on topic....I, too, am one of those grudge-holding, 'never-forget' (or is it 'always remember'?) peeps who has lost all trust in Bioware after Dragon Age 2. And for me, The heaping pile of Garbage that was DA2 is not a wound that time heals. It's a wound that only PROOF heals.Therefore, I'm not going to pre-order Inquisition. Because doing so implies pure trust in Bioware. which I Lost. Instead, I'll be watching...for reviews. And not just professional reviews. Everyone's reviews. Fan reviews. I do have friends who share almost identical tastes in games as I do and who know precisely what I like and don't like. I'll place my trust in them. Also, I'll be watching these forums to get the general "vibe" of the game (Had I done that for DA2, I wouldn't have been burned). I'll watch the meta-critic scores as well, both types.If everything points to DA:I being good, then I'll run out and buy it without further hesitation. If not, then Oh well. Bioware has formidable peers in the RPG industry who haven't lost my trust, and they're all putting out games a few months later (CDProjekts's Wild Hunt and Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity come to mind)

DA:2 was actually ok especially after getting used to the fast flowing battles and once you completed the quests in that mountain, where all the dungeons looked the same. I made my peace accepting that it was a rushed job.

ME3, please don't get me started :-(

[OfficerDonNZ]

I'm on the fence after ME3. I'd like to get DA:I but I'm going to wait until after it's out and some people have finished the game. As I think the ending will make or brake DA:I for a lot of people.

 

Also as I haven't been following DA:I to any great extent have the tech specs been released yet? As what's bothering me is I suspect that Origin will be required to play DA:I and if that's the case I'm a lot less likely to buy it. Still have to wait and see.

[Ashira Shepard]

I liked the fact that Cortez brings up his husband, talks about what happened, clearly acts like someone who is stuck in this cycle of repeating thoughts because the galaxy is going to hell and there's no absolute guarantee that he's coming out of it alive, or that anyone is coming out of it alive.

 

You had to clear up things with your squad in ME2 so they could fight with "clear heads and glad hearts," right? If you mess up some of the loyalty missions, the characters involved are left stewing with this tangle of unresolved spikes in their heads. He needed someone to pull him up, not everyone can do it on their own, and sometimes they need an outside party to pull them out of that negative cycle.

 

I can get why some people might not like Cortez and his grieving, if it's coming from the thought that "this is the first gay male human in the game and this despair-fest is what they gave us?" even if that is a touch callous. Maybe he wouldn't be so irritating to such people if he wasn't the only gay dude. 

[Samahl]

I'm sorry, why is this such a bad thing exactly? Men have been doing a fine job with the video game industry for the last 30 years. 

 

I'm not opposed to more women working in the gaming industry, but I'm not hailing it as a crucial development that will greatly improve all of our previously miserable and pathetic male lives somehow. Men can function fine without a woman around. Men are perfectly capabale of coming up with great stories, great gameplay, great games all on their own.

 

I'm sick and tired of people pretending everything sucks without a woman's touch. Either they are there or they are not, nobody needs to feel guilty about words like ''male-dominated''. It's not a negative word by definition.

The video game industry is dominated by men because women are discouraged from entering it because of rampant sexism and gatekeeping. It is a negative thing.

[Elhanan]

I enjoyed all the supposed critical titles;  DA2 (was my rehab game of choice back in 2011), SWTOR (awarded for being Disability friendly), and eventually ME3.

 

While I do prefer DAO to the sequel, I am currently replaying another Mage run in DA2 for the more responsive combat and versatile Spell trees.

 

SWTOR was still a little more difficult for me to play due to a lack of Pause functionality, but managed to get two PC's maxed, and see storylines on two more.

 

And after getting some tips, I enjoyed ME3 far more than ME2, though the original remains my fave. And that includes the conclusions.

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm sorry, why is this such a bad thing exactly? Men have been doing a fine job with the video game industry for the last 30 years. 

 

I'm not opposed to more women working in the gaming industry, but I'm not hailing it as a crucial development that will greatly improve all of our previously miserable and pathetic male lives somehow. Men can function fine without a woman around. Men are perfectly capabale of coming up with great stories, great gameplay, great games all on their own.

 

I'm sick and tired of people pretending everything sucks without a woman's touch. Either they are there or they are not, nobody needs to feel guilty about words like ''male-dominated''. It's not a negative word by definition.

 

It's not "bad" in that it means we'll not get games we find enjoyable.  I do think that it's not a good thing though, given that I value diversity and the different approaches to narratives it can provide.

 

 

I do think that there's potential growth in the gaming audience and I don't consider that a bad thing.  I do think an effective avenue for exploring this is encouraging a wide variety of people to get into game development.

 

 

I don't think anyone suggests that "everything sucks without a woman's touch."  I agree that men are capable of coming up with great stories, great gameplay.  I think that it's possible that we may be overlooking some potentially great stories and great gameplay by being exclusive, however.  And I feel this way towards other types of diversity too.  Because I love gaming and would love to see gaming continue to grow.

[addiction21]

 

 

I'm sick and tired of people pretending everything sucks without a woman's touch. Either they are there or they are not, nobody needs to feel guilty about words like ''male-dominated''. It's not a negative word by definition.

 

No one is saying it sucks without them but that acting as if they can not contribute anything "because men have been doing it fine for 30 years" is wrong.

 

And no "male-dominated" by definition is not negative... but it is not being used in that sense. It is being used to defend the "boys club no girls allowed" mentality that is thankfully being squashed.

 

http://www.escapistm...e/5436-Not-Okay  Start it at 3:20 or watch the whole thing because its why you need to come out the clubhouse.

 

 

 

As for pre-ordering I don't know.I have liked what I have seen and even if I had my fair share of problems with some recent titles they did not destroy my life, burn my house to the ground and kill my dog. It is a entertainment product. Everybod you know could tell you to hate it and you might end up loving or the other way around.

 

If whenever I do Pre-order its usually because I want the game day one, would get the game day one anyway, and have already accepted the fact I left it to chance.

[Texhnolyze101]

Quite the opposite. They said they had no plans for a playable demo.

 

And why exactly is that?

[Samahl]

And why exactly is that?

I don't believe they gave a reason.

[draken-heart]

I am thinking of pre-ordering the game for PS 4 just to get the items. that and to have a reason to get the PS 4.

[VilhoDog13]

I am thinking of pre-ordering the game for PS 4 just to get the items. that and to have a reason to get the PS 4.

 

I was about to post something like this.

 

I don't have a PS4 and I'm going to get it anyway (screw you xbox...your customer service and crappy quality xbox360. I'm done). So, I think Dragon Age will be the first game I get.. I want to pre-order, but I don't want to until I have a PS4. I KNOW it'll happen. Just a matter of time. Can't wait though Part of my motivation is seeing the game and all its beautiful graphics.

[AlanC9]

Because it's all his character was.
 
I think, If I were to play the game again, the amount of conversations with him that don't mention his husband (If you don't romance him) can be counted on one hand. He's a solider how goes in tears during his shift whilst listening to his dead husband. His entire character resolves around this.

Hmmm... if Cortez was talking about a dead wife, would you say that was him saying "look how straight I am?"

[The Night Haunter]

I'm sorry, why is this such a bad thing exactly? Men have been doing a fine job with the video game industry for the last 30 years. 

 

It's a bad thing cause 95% of the people I work with are men! Hard to meet awesome nerdy women when they all work in some other field, lol.