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Hmmm... if Cortez was talking about a dead wife, would you say that was him saying "look how straight I am?"
This.
Thank god I'm not the only male who doesn't have an issue with Cortez.
I actually find his character refreshing.
To add, I'm straight and a male and found his character very human and real. I appreciated what he had to offer despite what little it might have been with out romancing him. Was nice to see BioWare dishing something out of the social norm.
I was like "what makes you so special" the world was going to hell outside and Cortez' private pity party made him whiney. At least he still did his job, which is what matters in the end.
Hmmm... if Cortez was talking about a dead wife, would you say that was him saying "look how straight I am?"
If Cortez was talking about his dead wife And that is litrelly all his character was I'd have the same problem with his character as I do now.
Are you saying we have to treat Gay people differently?
He's Homosexuality is irrelevent. My problem is with the character writing.
And I would probably say that he was saying "Look how DEEEPPP and TRRRRRAGIC! I am!"
Which he is basically doing anyway.
Compare that to one of my favourite characters in Video games, Arcade Gannon.
Yes, you know he's gay from the very first sentence you talk to him.
You know what most of his character resolves around?
The isolation he feels about his upbringing and the organisation he was brought into, how helpless he feels as he tries to make the world a better place when everyone else is just in it for their own greed.
So yes, shock horror in reality everyone is more then their sexuality. But all Cortez talks, feels and acts about is 1) his dead husband and 2) wanting to have sex with male shep if you default to Paragon.
I was like "what makes you so special" the world was going to hell outside and Cortez' private pity party made him whiney. At least he still did his job, which is what matters in the end.
Why do I have to keep referring to this thing:
"In fiction, however, no matter how justified the character's complaints are there's a delicate balance between enough whining and too much, and unfortunately characters that should have a right to angst can lose the sympathy of the audience if the audience no longer wants to listen. Many situations in fiction do not happen in real life, therefore most audiences cannot truly sympathize with the character and can find him annoying." - Angst Dissonance
Then again, I've seen people complain about various Shepards suffering PTSD in the aftermath, despite Shepard being the prime candidate for that sort of thing. So ???
Why do I have to keep referring to this thing:
"In fiction, however, no matter how justified the character's complaints are there's a delicate balance between enough whining and too much, and unfortunately characters that should have a right to angst can lose the sympathy of the audience if the audience no longer wants to listen. Many situations in fiction do not happen in real life, therefore most audiences cannot truly sympathize with the character and can find him annoying." - Angst Dissonance
Then again, I've seen people complain about various Shepards suffering PTSD in the aftermath, despite Shepard being the prime candidate for that sort of thing. So ???
You might sympathise with him if the universe was not going to hell. In the situation you are in. He's whiny self indulgent.
Anyone who played a Shepard that lost their LI in the suicide mission would probably feel like punching him in the face.
I played my Shepard as if she lost a loved one on Akuze. She sympathised with him and wanted to help him, because she still has nightmares about the incident every now and then. The incident effected her interpersonal relations to the point that she didn't romance anyone obvious, eventually pursuing Samara. (Considering the time Akuze happened and when the games happen, she was voluntarily single/celibate for at least a decade out of fear.)
She didn't want to punch him in the face. She wanted him to get better and not stay in the same trench she did.
The video game industry is dominated by men because women are discouraged from entering it because of rampant sexism and gatekeeping. It is a negative thing.
When watching the 100m sprint at the Olympics games my heart always bleeds because of the rampant display of racism. Young white boys are discouraged from pursuing a career in athletics because it is dominated by blacks due to racism and discrimination. The 100m sprint is one of the pinnacles of the Olympic games and as such it is really a negative thing that it is an all-black event. Everyone knows that white sprinters are special; they sprint different than black sprinters; they add something extra. The final of 100m is simply better when there are also white sprinters. We should aim for equality and make sure whites are not left out in such an important sport.
You realize that's a false equivalence, right?
Creative ability is not constrained by gender anyway.
You realize that's a false equivalence, right?
And why would that be?
Because it's all his character was.
I think, If I were to play the game again, the amount of conversations with him that don't mention his husband (If you don't romance him) can be counted on one hand. He's a solider how goes in tears during his shift whilst listening to his dead husband. His entire character resolves around this.
Compare that to Traynor, who is arguably the best written character in that game. Smart, witty, Actually capable of being a shadow broker unlike Liara. She has interests, fears, doubts and hopes. Steve is just "Muh husband Shepard."
For all Bioware's talk of Inclusion some of their Gay characters are flimsy 2d characters.
And why would that be?
You respond to a claim of sexism by comparing it to white dudes not being able to compete with black dudes in athletics, and claim racism for the latter.
Racism it is not. Discrimination, maybe.
Sexism is rampant in the gaming industry, amongst gamers themselves, and if you haven't noticed that I feel obligated ask what kind of blinders you're wearing. A girl should not be getting messages from dudes on xbox live showing their genitals or asking for pictures of her breasts, when that girl is thirteen years old. It shouldn't be happening even when she's older, since she just wants to play the damn game.
And that is one example. Just one.
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Well maybe if game companies where more interested in image rather than money that sort of behaviour wouldnt be rampant, all it takes is for them to talk to each other an ban these ppl from every platform an keep banning them until the message is received that what they do has consequences and will not be tolerated.
But again all they are is a shallow face over, a pretend face of concern when in actual fact all they care about is the money.
I understand they need to pay the bills, but end of the day game companies like everyone else have a responsibility and for far to long they have been dodging it
You respond to a claim of sexism by comparing it to white dudes not being able to compete with black dudes in athletics, and claim racism for the latter.
Racism it is not. Discrimination, maybe.
Sexism is rampant in the gaming industry, amongst gamers themselves, and if you haven't noticed that I feel obligated ask what kind of blinders you're wearing. A girl should not be getting messages from dudes on xbox live showing their genitals or asking for pictures of her breasts, when that girl is thirteen years old. It shouldn't be happening even when she's older, since she just wants to play the damn game.
And that is one example. Just one.
I simply replaced men by black, women by white and sexism by racism to show that the quoted quote is disgusting. It annoys me that is possible to make ludicrous unfunded claim about men without anyone blinking twice.
Thirteen year old girls shouldn’t be asked to show (pictures of) their breast neither should thirteen year old boys be asked to show (pictures of) their penis. I guess this is prohibited in most countries so legal actions should be taken. But this has nothing to do with games. Girls and boys that ask for these things will also ask for it on different social media.
I simply replaced men by black, women by white and sexism by racism to show that the quoted quote is disgusting. It annoys me that is possible to make ludicrous unfunded claim about men without anyone blinking twice.
Thirteen year old girls shouldn’t be asked to show (pictures of) their breast neither should thirteen year old boys be asked to show (pictures of) their penis. I guess this is prohibited in most countries so legal actions should be taken. But this has nothing to do with games. Girls and boys that ask for these things will also ask for it on different social media.
Sexism and racism can overlap, they can both be experienced by the same person but they are not the same thing.
And you want proof of sexism in gaming?
Do I really need to say her name and the reaction she got for having an opinion?
Or how about the fact that developers are told flat out that they can't have a female protagonist and it has to be a dude? That the devs of the Last of Us had to actually argue to have Ellie on the cover of the game.
Why do you think the #womenaretoohardtoanimate tag has cropped up on twitter? Out of nothing? No, because some backwards cretin decided women are too much effort to put into leading roles, despite the fact that the devs behind Blacklight Retribution have female models in their game and have said it's not that hard and relatively cheap to do. The team behind Unity actually expected to get away with that. An excuse that plenty of people have ripped apart already.
Another tag is #1reasonwhy, which is a collective of experiences women have had in the gaming industry.
But I suppose every single one of them is just blowing things out of proportion, right? 
Keep in mind that constant little aggressions eventually pile up into big ones. It is a problem and dudes trying to bluster and wave it away aren't helping. They're part of the problem and they are part of why it's staying a problem.
I don't know much about sports, but what I do know is that white men are not barred from anything on the basis of their gender or their race. I'm sure your example is more complicated than white men being discriminated against.
Women aren't discouraged because they're somehow worse at writing, or art, or programming - there is institutional sexism at work that disadvantages them and privileges men. What's really disgusting is comparing some illusory non-issue to the marginalization of over half the population. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. I assure you, women who are denied entry into the video game industry on the basis of their gender are far worse off.
Sexism and racism can overlap, they can both be experienced by the same person but they are not the same thing.
THANK YOU. Intersectionality is vital.
Re: Cortez
I think the problem that bothers people is something that's risen up in past Bioware characters: "Carth Syndrome" A character who's lost a loved one and has trouble moving on. It's not unique to sexuality, it's just something that's practically become a trope.
Losing a loved one is incredibly painful, and it's no surprise that someone can not notice the world falling apart around them as they dwell in their own personal hell.
Personally, I had no problem with it. Steve is a cool character. Though perhaps that was a rather overused plot device.
*insert my much used comment about empathy and how some people are actually able to feel it even for fictional characters and how it's a good thing here*
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*insert my much used comment about empathy and how some people are actually able to feel it even for fictional characters and how it's a good thing here*
Oh come on? Really? You have to feel sorry for a bunch of zero and ones cause he was designed to have a hard life?
Re: Cortez
I think the problem that bothers people is something that's risen up in past Bioware characters: "Carth Syndrome" A character who's lost a loved one and has trouble moving on. It's not unique to sexuality, it's just something that's practically become a trope.
Losing a loved one is incredibly painful, and it's no surprise that someone can not notice the world falling apart around them as they dwell in their own personal hell.
Personally, I had no problem with it. Steve is a cool character. Though perhaps that was a rather overused plot device.
A excellent point. Bioware really love reusing old ideas like this and "three/four seperate pieces of "X" to defeat the evil doer"
. I say this because if he'd been heterosexual, and carried on like that about his wife, you'd have had the same reaction to his character, right? If not, why not?
Wouldn't that mean that it was more the inclusion of a gay character that bothered you, than the inclusion of a character that expressed grief at the loss of a loved one?
I suppose, since being gay is literally half of Cortez's character, the other half split between "pilot" and "Crying" I can't fully say I am ignoring it with my criticism of his character
What pissed me off was he's one of the first openly gay and only gay, not bisexual, bioware characters ignoring MMO's, and the fact that he is gay and you REALLY have to know that pisses me off. Gay people aren't that different from straight people, but if bioware write them, they have to constantly mention the fact they are gay and that is all they are as a person.
And it's poor writing to make a characters central point entirely about another character.
But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.
Sexism and racism can overlap, they can both be experienced by the same person but they are not the same thing.
And you want proof of sexism in gaming?
Do I really need to say her name and the reaction she got for having an opinion?
Or how about the fact that developers are told flat out that they can't have a female protagonist and it has to be a dude? That the devs of the Last of Us had to actually argue to have Ellie on the cover of the game.
Why do you think the #womenaretoohardtoanimate tag has cropped up on twitter? Out of nothing? No, because some backwards cretin decided women are too much effort to put into leading roles, despite the fact that the devs behind Blacklight Retribution have female models in their game and have said it's not that hard and relatively cheap to do. The team behind Unity actually expected to get away with that. An excuse that plenty of people have ripped apart already.
Another tag is #1reasonwhy, which is a collective of experiences women have had in the gaming industry.
But I suppose every single one of them is just blowing things out of proportion, right?
Keep in mind that constant little aggressions eventually pile up into big ones. It is a problem and dudes trying to bluster and wave it away aren't helping. They're part of the problem and they are part of why it's staying a problem.
Okay. I'm annoyed at people who mention female assasin in Unity.
I dislike assassin creed, but it's fully within a creators right for them to decide what to do with a game so long as it's not actually offensive. The lack of a female main character is not insulting anyone. No previous Assassin creeds have had selectable characters, why should they start here?
And adding a new female character IS difficult.
Firstly, you have to have concept art. that take several weeks and costs money.
You also have to record and write several new lines. That costs a lot of money depending on who you get to voice.
You have to model a female assassin. You have to texture it. you have to bugtest and bugtest and bugtest.
This costs a lot of money and time.
You know that one female french assassin people mention? She stabbed a old man with a knife, caught caught and executed. Not exactly great gameplay.
Men don't ask for a Male Lara Croft.
Women don't ask for a female Solid Snake.
EDIT: Also forgot to mention, holy sheet did I derail this thread badly. Sorry OP.
I dislike assassin creed, but it's fully within a creators right for them to decide what to do with a game so long as it's not actually offensive. The lack of a female main character is not insulting anyone. No previous Assassin creeds have had selectable characters, why should they start here?
Liberation did.
Based on the very tight development and the changes that have been made to the next gen AC games (It's impressive for someone who's played them all, huge difference) I don't see as Ubisoft did anything other than make a choice required to meet a deadline.
I'm really digging that watch too.
Liberation did.
Based on the very tight development and the changes that have been made to the next gen AC games (It's impressive for someone who's played them all, huge difference) I don't see as Ubisoft did anything other than make a choice required to meet a deadline.
Did it have selectable characters? I know it had a female character but not multiple?
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Oh come on? Really? You have to feel sorry for a bunch of zero and ones cause he was designed to have a hard life?
No, I don't HAVE to, but I DO...it's not something I choose to feel, it's simply there!
I'm confused are we still talking about pre-ordering? 'cause I am seeing a lot of posts that have nothing to do with that. but hey I am pre-ordering. I liked Mass Effect 3 and to a certain extent DA2.
And adding a new female character IS difficult.
True, true. Much easier to reuse the same old rugged white dude design for everything.
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