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[Daemul]

 

You guys are insane. Chill the hell out. 

[Staff Cdr Alenko]

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That's crap and you getting upset because you don't have the stomach to survive. It needs not to be entertainment at all. It works better as a drama. It's cheap the way you want it.

 

I'm not stooping to personal attacks. That's how I've feel about you. I left it in no uncertain terms. I'm calling you what you are because that's what you are. You're an a self-centered evil coward. You're far more evil than the Reapers. 

 

Yeah. It needs not to be entertainment at all! It should be profound drama! And profound is what I say it is! GET SOME!

[KaiserShep]

And yes, they deserve a say.  Or at least a warning that the end was nigh.  Give Joker and EDI a chance to say goodbye.  If they are truly your allies, they will understand.  

 

I find all too often "do what you have to do" is an excuse to act in a sociopathic manner.  "What you have to do" should only be done at the utmost end of need, and then only with great regret.  It's not something to revel in, or celebrate.  It's a necessity, and should be reflected on as such.  That's why I say if it were a real situation, I'd shoot the tube and hope to die alongside the geth.  This isn't a victory to be proud of.  It's an act of absolute necessity, not entertainment.

 

I don't agree that they deserve a say at all. The stakes are far too high to allow anyone who isn't on the Citadel to make any decisions at all, so they are in no position to dictate what Shepard does with his/her life or that of the reapers. In any case, it seems to me that the only purpose in warning them is not for their sake, but to mitigate petty feelings of guilt. If the guilt is something you'd feel to be such a crushing burden and you'd hope to die as a result, then the answer is painfully simple: pick Control.

 

This is kind of like the situation in Arrival. My Shepard calls for the Normandy rather than warning the batarians, because warning them is a pointless gesture. They're all going to die anyway, and calling in to let them know won't improve their suddenly brief existence.

 

If it were a real life situation, I'd shoot the tube with little regret, and even that would quickly evaporate, and I would live happily ever after that the machine gods are gone for good. I'd tell anyone who objected to the decision "Well, if you bothered to be there, maybe you could've killed yourself and saved everyone the trouble."

[AlanC9]

De-escalate, Daemul? Nah. It's just getting good.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Um... so I was talking to Liara the other day. Boy, is she an awful character!

[AlanC9]

This is kind of like the situation in Arrival. My Shepard calls for the Normandy rather than warning the batarians, because warning them is a pointless gesture. They're all going to die anyway, and calling in to let them know won't improve their suddenly brief existence.

One or two ships might be able to get away if warned. Anyone who can activate a mass effect drive is safe from the nova.

[Iakus]

I don't agree that they deserve a say at all. The stakes are far too high to allow anyone who isn't on the Citadel to make any decisions at all, so they are in no position to dictate what Shepard does with his/her life or that of the reapers. In any case, it seems to me that the only purpose in warning them is not for their sake, but to mitigate petty feelings of guilt. If the guilt is something you'd feel to be such a crushing burden and you'd hope to die as a result, then the answer is painfully simple: pick Control.

 

This is kind of like the situation in Arrival. My Shepard calls for the Normandy rather than warning the batarians, because warning them is a pointless gesture. They're all going to die anyway, and calling in to let them know won't improve their suddenly brief existence.

 

 

Control is a negotiated surrender to the Reapers.  Eternal slavery for the galaxy.  Funny as it sounds, I found it worse than Destroy.

 

And I tried to warn the batarians every time.  Even if it's a futile gesture.  It's something.  I can at least honestly say I did everything I could.

 

 

 

If it were a real life situation, I'd shoot the tube with little regret, and even that would quickly evaporate, and I would live happily ever after that the machine gods are gone for good. I'd tell anyone who objected to the decision "Well, if you bothered to be there, maybe you could've killed yourself and saved everyone the trouble.

 

One of the few times Shepard's actions lined up with my own thoughts:

 

http://www.youtube.c...myjRXBIVTU#t=57

[Iakus]

De-escalate, Daemul? Nah. It's just getting good.

 

I've been perfectly pleasant

One or two ships might be able to get away if warned. Anyone who can activate a mass effect drive is safe from the nova.

More than one or two ships.  The entire Reaper fleet escaped.

[KaiserShep]

One or two ships might be able to get away if warned. Anyone who can activate a mass effect drive is safe from the nova.

 

Perhaps, but getting off that rock would be my top priority.

[AlanC9]

More than one or two ships. The entire Reaper fleet escaped.

The Reapers already know what's going on, so of course they're ready to activate FTL. This has nothing whatsoever to do with how many batarian ships will be ready to go to FTL on a half-hour's notice.

[Iakus]

We were talking about warning the batarians. Which you'd know if you were still bothering to follow conversations.

Seriously, iakus, at this rate you'll be David in six months.

Umm, my point was any ship that received warning would have had a chance to escape.

 

As illustrated by the entire Reaper fleet escaping.

 

Don't you start stooping to insults too, Alan.

[AlanC9]

Gotcha. It's a bizarre way to make your point, though.

Anyway, post edited.

[Iakus]

Gotcha. It's a bizarre way to make your point, though. Since I already said that anyone activating his FTL drive would be safe, talking about the Reapers adds no information.

Anyway, post edited.

 

I was merely trying to expand on your statement that "one or two" ships could have escaped.  Really, it's anyone with access to an ftl drive and sufficient warning.

 

Whether Shepard can deliver that warning is in question.  But I can at least roleplay Shepard making a good-faith effort, and expressing regret that it fails.

[AlanC9]

Control is a negotiated surrender to the Reapers.  Eternal slavery for the galaxy.  Funny as it sounds, I found it worse than Destroy.
 

Calling this a surrender to the Reapers is the equivalent of saying that the Allies surrendered to Germany in 1945 because they decided to resolve the question of Germans in Danzig and the Sudetenland.

[Iakus]

Calling this a surrender to the Reapers is the equivalent of saying that the Allies surrendered to Germany in 1945 because they decided to resolve the question of Germans in Danzig and the Sudetenland.

 

More like the Allies allowed themselves to be ruled by Germany as long as they closed their concentration camps.

 

Not to Godwinize the thread or anything 

[KaiserShep]

This comparison only really works if the Allied forces used their Psy Ops division to control the minds of the Germans after the war too.

[q5tyhj]

Since he can write magic systems that are more consistent and make more sense than Mass Effect's "science fiction"

So, even being a terrible writer (and sort of a wiener, from what I can tell) the fact that he can "write magic systems that are consistent" means he gets to come up with "laws" that someone, ANYONE should give a **** about? Funny. 

[q5tyhj]

Calling this a surrender to the Reapers is the equivalent of saying that the Allies surrendered to Germany in 1945 because they decided to resolve the question of Germans in Danzig and the Sudetenland.

Let's just be honest- to call it "surrender" to the Reapers would be to misuse/misunderstand the English word "surrender", no less and no more. 

[Ieldra]

Since he can write magic systems that are more consistent and make more sense than Mass Effect's "science fiction"

So true. I disagree with most of what you've said in this thread, but regarding the end of ME3, I can only put "science fiction" in quotation marks as not to insult the real thing. Sanderson, whatever you think of his writing (which I happen to like) makes fascinating worlds.

 

Regarding your previous post: yes, this is an act of necessity. That doesn't make it any less suitable as the end of a story. I have my own issues with ME3's ending, but that there wasn't an option to keep your honor intact *and* come out on top was not one of its flaws. Some situations are like that, and it's very much believable that ending the Reaper threat is one of them. As I see it, the problems are in the presentation rather than the concept.

[q5tyhj]

So true. I disagree with most of what you've said in this thread, but regarding the end of ME3, I can only put "science fiction" in quotation marks as not to insult the real thing. 

Lol, right, because the science fiction genre is known for its bullet-proof plotlines, consistency, and plausibility. *facepalm*

[Daemul]

Mass Effect bordered more on Science Fantasy than Science Fiction towards the end of the trilogy, though they did make an effort to explain how things worked at the beginning, with the usual mumbo jumbo science, unlike notable Science Fantasy series like Star Wars. The writers gave up towards the end though. 

[CrimsonN7]

Hmm nah, the ending was terrible and on a second playthrough all the flaws were even more noticeable to me soooo playing this series again is very very very low on my to do list.

 

I loved the ME series but I just can't forget what happened with ME3, still stings.

[Daemul]

Hmm nah, the ending was terrible and on a second playthrough all the flaws were even more noticeable to me soooo playing this series again is very very very low on my to do list.

 

I loved the ME series but I just can't forget what happened with ME3, still stings.

 

Come on, I despise Mass Effect 2 and everything it did to the series, but even I am able to put aside my hate and appreciate how fun it is to play through. Give Mass Effect 3 a chance

[CrimsonN7]

Come on, I despise Mass Effect 2 and everything it did to the series, but even I am able to put aside my hate and appreciate how fun it is to play through. Give Mass Effect 3 a chance

I've played this series plenty of times to come to the conclusion of where I am at. That ending scratch that ME3 is a pretty broken game in a lot of ways, I love the ME universe, I will buy the new game when it comes out but I won't replay the trilogy again.

 

I just can't forgot the mess that was ME3 when I'm replaying the earlier games, all I can think of is gah that awaits me at the end of the suicide mission!

[Iakus]

So true. I disagree with most of what you've said in this thread, but regarding the end of ME3, I can only put "science fiction" in quotation marks as not to insult the real thing. Sanderson, whatever you think of his writing (which I happen to like) makes fascinating worlds.

 

Regarding your previous post: yes, this is an act of necessity. That doesn't make it any less suitable as the end of a story. I have my own issues with ME3's ending, but that there wasn't an option to keep your honor intact *and* come out on top was not one of its flaws. Some situations are like that, and it's very much believable that ending the Reaper threat is one of them. As I see it, the problems are in the presentation rather than the concept.

 

I am glad to see you like his writing as well.

 

And to illustrate my point, here's a quote from The Way of Kings that shows how I feel about the endings:

 

It is time for us to fight, and we do so not because we seek the glory of men, but because the other options are worse. We follow the Codes not because they bring gain, but because we loathe the people we would otherwise become. We stand here on this battlefield alone because of who we are.