I have to say, I liked the Rebuilds up until 3.0. What the hell is going on with that one? I watched it, and I had to scratch my head at all the weird sh*t going on.
Well, Rebuild takes place after the Third Impact in that continuity, and everyone is giving Shinji crap because their encouragement to follow his heart meant that he completely screwed over humanity.
I wish they'd just kill Rei. She keeps making the plot bat-**** wherever she goes.
Unlike others, I don't let 0.002% of something ruin the 99.998% that came out before it. This isn't real life so any "skydiving but the parachute ending up not working" analogies are automatically BS to me, so as bad as the ending may be or have been, I've had so much fun in the other 99 hours and 50 minutes that it is irrelevant to me.
The EC made me tolerate the ending, because now choices matter [despite what some of the haters say] and there are over 40 outcomes now. And that was my main issue with the ending before. And Leviathan helped too.
I was always okay with ME3 because the vanilla ME3 was better than the majority of the games this gen anyways [heck, I'd rather play ME3 than TLOU] and the DLC made it even better.
So yeah, I'm at peace
Well, Rebuild takes place after the Third Impact in that continuity, and everyone is giving Shinji crap because their encouragement to follow his heart meant that he completely screwed over humanity.
If that was all there was to it, it wouldn't be so confusing. But Third Impact doesn't happen at the end of 2.0; Kaoru averts it. Then Shinji wakes up in 3.0 and it happened later anyway in events completely unseen between 2.0 and 3.0, along with a whole bunch of other crap. The whole thing is an utter mess and evokes the worst parts of the series without the deep characterization backing it up. I approve of the Japanese Amazon page's reaction: http://www.amazon.co...evangelion 3.33
Yes, it's not the same as splatting in to the ground of course, that's why it's an analogy, but to deny the very idea that a crap ending can ruin a good story is plain weird.Unlike others, I don't let 0.002% of something ruin the 99.998% that came out before it. This isn't real life so any "skydiving but the parachute ending up not working" analogies are automatically BS to me, so as bad as the ending may be or have been, I've had so much fun in the other 99 hours and 50 minutes that it is irrelevant to me.
Yes, it's not the same as splatting in to the ground of course, that's why it's an analogy, but to deny the very idea that a crap ending can ruin a good story is plain weird.
It's like the old joke goes:
What's worse than taking a bite out of an apple and finding a worm init?
Taking a bite and finding half a worm in it.
In this case, the ending was half a worm.
I just think it is silly to dismiss 99.998% of a video game because of one mistake. This isn't sports or real life, you are not a coach who's paycheck is on the line [or for the fan's case, the loss meaning the end of your team until next year] or a skydiver who's life is on the line. This is a video game, where the only thing the ending does is make a 100 hour game series be only fun 99 hours and 50 minutes.
Give me an awesome game like ME3 bad ending and all over TLOU which has a great story and ending but mediocre gameplay throughout any day of the week.
Am I saying the ending is good? no. I do think it is a huge disappointment even though the EC fixed my main problems, but considering how awesome the three games were up until Anderson's death, I am willing to let the screw up slide.
I just think it is silly to dismiss 99.998% of a video game because of one mistake. This isn't sports or real life, you are not a coach who's paycheck is on the line or a skydiver who's life is on the line. This is a video game, where the only thing the ending does is make a 100 hour game series be only fun 99 hours and 50 minutes.
Give me an awesome game like ME3 bad ending and all over TLOU which has a great story and ending but mediocre gameplay throughout any day of the week.
A bad ending can effectively ruin the story/narrative, which it does in ME3.
In a RPG, the story is a bit more than 0.002% of a game.
An alternative analogy is having a great 89 minutes of a football match, only for your team to lose it all in the last minute. If you're a supporter of the other team you come away feeling great despite the rest of it, if you're a neutral who couldn't care less then you probably enjoyed yourself too (the people who started with ME3 probably), but the supporters of your team aren't going to be in a good mood and saying "but the rest of it was great!" to them will probably just get you punched.
I'm a Patriots fan.
This makes a whole lot of sense to me. (2007 season.)
If that was all there was to it, it wouldn't be so confusing. But Third Impact doesn't happen at the end of 2.0; Kaoru averts it. Then Shinji wakes up in 3.0 and it happened later anyway in events completely unseen between 2.0 and 3.0, along with a whole bunch of other crap. The whole thing is an utter mess and evokes the worst parts of the series without the deep characterization backing it up. I approve of the Japanese Amazon page's reaction.
He doesn't really avert it, he goes to save Rei at the expense of the rest of humanity. And fails. Quite badly.
Otherwise, Rebuild is polarizing for Eva fans. Fans of the Original general dislike Rebuild, and vice versa. To me, they're about the same; as Anno himself said, the only real difference is that metaphor that he used; for the Orignal series, the psychiatric problems of all the characters is essentially unchecked, whereas in Rebuild, they'd be on medication.
1 and 2 were fine, but the third seemed to be going off the rails with all that goofy crap going on. It became nigh unwatchable.
He doesn't really avert it, he goes to save Rei at the expense of the rest of humanity. And fails. Quite badly.
Kaoru is not Shinji; Shinji is the main character whose Eva initiates the Third Impact after merging with Rei. Kaoru comes down after the credits and chucks a Lance of Longinus into him, which cancels the Impact. The actual, successful Third Impact happens off-screen way after 2.0 ends. This is why 3.0 is needlessly confusing: they should have just had Third Impact happen at the end of 2.0 so everyone actually has a goddamn reason to be mad at Shinji.
1 and 2 were fine, but the third seemed to be going off the rails with all that goofy crap going on. It became nigh unwatchable.
2 is one of the best anime movies I've seen.
A bad ending can effectively ruin the story/narrative, which it does in ME3.
In a RPG, the story is a bit more than 0.002% of a game.
By the Enkindlers , THIS!!!! THIS SO MUCH!
Seriously, the story and the players' ability to act within it is absolutely freaking vital! And ME3 absolutely botched it!
1 and 2 were fine, but the third seemed to be going off the rails with all that goofy crap going on. It became nigh unwatchable.
All's I know is that I no longer have hope for the fourth one. Who knows what else happens off screen. Maybe it'll just open with Shinji sitting on the beach of a now primordial earth choking Asuka then cut to credits.
Yeah, it got painful at times.
Spoiler
Some of the action scenes were fun though.
I saw 3.0 in theater. The movie glitched out and we got to see Kaworu blow twice. The crowd liked that.
I'm sorry.
Gosh darn fangirls.
By the Enkindlers , THIS!!!! THIS SO MUCH!
Seriously, the story and the players' ability to act within it is absolutely freaking vital! And ME3 absolutely botched it!
Disagreed, still I still felt like a participant in the narrative (all three of my Shepards) and don't feel like player agency was egregiously removed in the ending.
More so than ME2 at least, and the series has always been about restricted player interactivity and rigid choices, especially in the endings. I'd prefer less auto-dialogue and the return of the neutral option, of course, but it's far from botched in ME3. ME2's plot railroading and warped persuasion mechanic are worse to me.
An alternative analogy is having a great 89 minutes of a football match, only for your team to lose it all in the last minute. If you're a supporter of the other team you come away feeling great despite the rest of it, if you're a neutral who couldn't care less then you probably enjoyed yourself too (the people who started with ME3 probably), but the supporters of your team aren't going to be in a good mood and saying "but the rest of it was great!" to them will probably just get you punched.
Interesting analogy. Who are the supporters of the other team?
But you won it all in the last minute. Saying otherwise is simply untrue. If you want to say your morality was compromised in the victory, then a better analogy is winning by shooting a player on the other team to stop a breakaway.
I suppose there may be someone who loves the ending and hates the rest of Mass Effect (although why would they have played that far?) No analogy is perfect I suppose.Interesting analogy. Who are the supporters of the other team?
It's merely an analogy of why the rest being great doesn't mean that you should be happy no matter how it ended. There was no intention to compare the actions of a match with the plot of ME3.But you won it all in the last minute. Saying otherwise is simply untrue. If you want to say your morality was compromised in the victory, then a better analogy is winning by shooting a player on the other team to stop a breakaway.
It's not real life but the sport comparison is very apt since from the fan's point of view both exist merely for entertainment. Neither the story nor the match have any real life impact on you beyond how they might affect your mood. Also a good part of what a story is supposed to be is to take you away from real life to let your imagination into another world and experiencing the same set of emotions, although not to the same degree as you would in reality, since there's always that part at the back of your mind that knows it's a story. That it's a story is important, not that it's a video game (your point would be valid with a non-story-driven game that was great apart from a badly-designed endgame).I just think it is silly to dismiss 99.998% of a video game because of one mistake. This isn't sports or real life, you are not a coach who's paycheck is on the line [or for the fan's case, the loss meaning the end of your team until next year]
Disagreed, still I still felt like a participant in the narrative (all three of my Shepards) and don't feel like player agency was egregiously removed in the ending.
More so than ME2 at least, and the series has always been about restricted player interactivity and rigid choices, especially in the endings. I'd prefer less auto-dialogue and the return of the neutral option, of course, but it's far from botched in ME3. ME2's plot railroading and warped persuasion mechanic are worse to me.
You realize I complained about much the same thing for ME2, right?
What about you? Are you still letting yourself stay in the pit of "Could have been" or are you finding a way to be happy with what is? I found my way which is through my Fan-fic epilogue of the best Destroy ending. (Complete with my theory of how the Geth and EDI can be resurrected)
Hey,
I am still unhappy/sad and angry with it (and the fact that they are not "man" (or woman) enough to apologize to us fans (owning up to their misstakes - from lying about loads of different endings, choices that matter to space magic and catalyst-deus-ex-machina))
I would like them to go back and fix it (but that will never happen - old Bioware (pre-EA and before the founders left!) might have, but EA is too interested in money (not that making money is evil or anything, but it can be done while keeping the customer satisfied (and benefitting from that in the long run, too)...they seem to have forgotten that...If they were a car-brand they would lose customers in droves (!)) and so it will not happen
I really hope they make a very good ME4 (might go a long way to fix this rift between us fans and them...hell, if Dragon Age: Inquisition is good, that might help, too - because the DA-Team did fumble its previous title, too (just not so bad...to use a footbal analogy: The fumble of the ME-Team lead to a loss of a match, while the DA-Teams fumble only lead to a single touch-down))
Let's hope for the best (but I will not forgett this slight easily - after all, I got deceived into paying for it, too (the marketing-lies) - like having to pay to be kicked in the balls -.-)
greetings LAX
You realize I complained about much the same thing for ME2, right?
I do.
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