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[Ozzy]

I guess I am?

 

I no longer feel quite the same enthusiasm for the series, which is a shame, but it isn't really a big deal. I honestly don't think the ME3 that I was wishing for could have ever been realised due to the immense expectation that I had built up in my head in any case. It left me feeling similar to the way AC3 left me. Before hand, I was heavily invested into the ME and AC worlds and they didn't 'live' up as satisfactory concluding arcs as far as I was concerned (although AC3 botched it to a greater degree).

 

My issue with ME3 was that it left me wanting. It was a solid game but didn't receive the care that I felt the final entry in the ME saga should have. From small things, such as the journal and the fetch quests, to more narrative based issues, like the Geth 180, forcing certain emotions on Shep, shafting of certain companions (ie by neglecting to include them at all as seen with Morinth or just plain inconsistency with the character as seen with Ash) and the ending, to their DLC practices in terms of Javik and the Leviathan DLC (which would have gone a long way in making the original ending more palatable). More than anything though, and this may sound silly, but I felt betrayed. I believed them when they said that the endings wouldn't be an 'A, B or C' scenario and believed in some of the hype that they were building up. Then most of what they were saying turned out to be lies. I just felt like an idiot afterwards.

 

I just wish that it had gotten more time. I think it warranted it as it was arguably Bioware's more significant console title but that's neither here or there. 

 

With that said, the game did produce some special moments. The Rannoch ending was lovely, Geth 180 aside. Mordin's sacrifice was heartwrenching, slightly jarring VA change aside. The Krogan Arc was great. Great squad banter and interaction. The Citadel DLC was great. Extended Cut went a ways in tidying things up.

 

With all that said, I'm fine with it all now. The dust has long since settled and it's just a game at the end of it all. There's plenty to enjoy and appreciate.

[wright1978]

Mehem gave me a modicum of peace and closure with the series. My eyes are on the future in the shape of DAI and to see what can be salvaged in the next mass effect from the wreckage of me3.

My anger and disappointment at the complete train wreck of an ending both pre EC and post will remain lingering like a scar likely forever.

[DarthLaxian]

Oh I wish I could have had MEHEM on my poor (and now binned) Xbox360. I just can't bring myself to put the security risk that is Origin on my PC Gamning rig. So that's kind of the end of that. Which is a shame given the hundereds, if noth thousands of, of hours I put into ME1 and 2. It's almost like EA and Bioware took a prioritised bullet-point list of all things I wuold hate, and put them into ME3. Kind of like Microsoft - who did precisley the same with the Xbox One launch. I subsequently bought a PS4. Been enjoying it immensely for _games_ especially at 1080p. 
 

Large Tech corporations need to learn that they need us more as customers than we need them as vendors.

 

Indeed - I feel experimented on (hell, I feel violated, like they stole a list of all things I would dislike right out of my head (I have never writen it down pre-ME3)...Oh and don't get me started on the miserable band-aid that EC is...It's like the wanted to fix a bear mauling with a single band-aid and it failed spectacularly (at least for me it did))

 

greetings LAX

[SAmaster01]

I don' think I can forgive the ending, but I can move past it. I can remember the good times, try to forget the bad. Whether or not any subsequent additions to the series is any good though will likely influence the final decision. If nothing but crap is produced, well... however if there's still good or great content to be had then I'm sure I can try to enjoy them. 

[angol fear]

Large Tech corporations need to learn that they need us more as customers than we need them as vendors.

 

They already know that. The problem come from the players who think that because they have paid they should have the story they want (and not the story that is told). Whatever a company will say, it's always their story, they don't have to please people with the story (or we will have the same story again and again, MEHEM is an example of that). Only the gameplay is made to please people.

[wright1978]

They already know that. The problem come from the players who think that because they have paid they should have the story they want (and not the story that is told). Whatever a company will say, it's always their story, they don't have to please people with the story (or we will have the same story again and again, MEHEM is an example of that). Only the gameplay is made to please people.

In my opinion that is rubbish story and gameplay are equally designed to be meant to be appealing. They didn't intend or expect a massive negative publicity storm.
Whilst bioware is perfectly within its rights to make gameplay or story it wants, players are equally entitled to express if they think a story element is a narrative train wreck as much as they are allowed to critique gameplay.

[dreamgazer]

Indeed - I feel experimented on (hell, I feel violated, like they stole a list of all things I would dislike right out of my head (I have never writen it down pre-ME3)

 

(rolls eyes)

[Mister J]

Yes, I am at peace with ME3, I just think it's not as good as ME2.

 

My biggest problem is that none of the ME2 squad mates return as squad mates - the Armax arena fixed that... a little, but still.

 

Second problem is the Illusive Man. Whereas in ME2 mister Man was an interesting character that was hard to classify as either good or bad - ruthless, but also pragmatic, in ME3 he was just an ******* villain. Even being an ass just for the sake of it, like insisting on calling EDI an 'it' whereas he did call her a 'her' in ME2. I know he's indoctrinated in ME3 so I can't call it a plothole... but I don't have to like it...

 

Third problem is that the ending mission is not as good as the suicide mission of ME2: it's still good, but it could have been better if we had to assign the war assets to specific tasks like we did with the squad mates in 2: like asigning the Krogan to a specific task that they are good at, like close combat. Or assigning the Salarians or Quarians to something tech related.

 

The ending? Believe it or not, I am fine with the red one. Reapers fall dead; Asari and Krogan cheer at it: Shepard lives: that's all the satisfaction I need. Damn shame about EDI I guess, but... oh come on: she can be rebuild: if a living creature like Shepard can be brought back from the dead certainly a damn robot can...

[KaiserShep]

Miranda's the only one I really see having a good reason to return to the Normandy. Maybe Jacob, but...meh.

[Mister J]

Well it would be better than let the lazy bastard just stand in the corner of the hospital like a sack of potatoes? And what about Samara? I mean at least Jacob and Kasumi and others are being given a reason why they don't come back to the Normandy, but Samara specifically mentiones that she's going to fight the war - so why not on the Normandy?

 

Not that it matters, what is done is done. I'm just hoping to see the old gang again in ME4 and if the gods will it, have them be available as squad mates...

[ImaginaryMatter]

Miranda's the only one I really see having a good reason to return to the Normandy. Maybe Jacob, but...meh.

 

I know resources were limited but I was disappointed to see that Miranda did not get a spot for the Cerberus HQ mission. That ending scene in TIMs room was practically begging for Miranda to be there and it would have worked on so many levels. It would have been a nice way to close her arc by ending it where we first saw her and she could have reflected on the Cerberus ideal (one of few redeeming factors I had about them) and sum up that whole arc.

 

As for the others, Grunt maybe? I did miss having a Krogan squadmate and his company could get wiped out so I don't know if he had anything better to do (was he seriously in the hospital all that time?). Legion, his death was nonsensical anyway and we need some one to replace Tali; plus, Commander Shepard fanboys are always in fashion.

[Barquiel]

I thought Samara, Grunt, Zaeed and Kasumi all had rather poor excuses for not joining.

[KaiserShep]

Why does Grunt have a poor excuse? Becoming the leader of Aralakh company is probably one of the better reasons out of the ME2 lot's excuses for not returning.

[Barquiel]

You're right, but the Aralakh Company essentially gets slaughtered if you saved the queen. I don't see why he couldn't come with me after that

[Mister J]

Either way he would still be serving his clan so I guess it makes sense...

 

What doesn't is that he has to stay in the hospital for so long... Don't Krogan regenerate in like 5 seconds??

[wright1978]

Miranda's the only one I really see having a good reason to return to the Normandy. Maybe Jacob, but...meh.

I'm biased because she's my favourite character but it was such a missed opportunity IMO.

[KaiserShep]

She could have easily stuck around in the war room of the Normandy, which I imagine would be where she would be the most useful anyway.

[dreamgazer]

I'm still hesitant towards the idea of everyone being cool with one of TIM's notable (ex-)operatives being allowed to freely move about the Normandy considering the circumstances, but at the very least she should have been a temp-squad option on Cronos instead of EDI.

[wright1978]

I'm still hesitant towards the idea of everyone being cool with one of TIM's notable (ex-)operatives being allowed to freely move about the Normandy considering the circumstances, but at the very least she should have been a temp-squad option on Cronos instead of EDI.

Think the friction of ex-Cerberus operative would have been great. A 180 where she ends up the pariah like jack in me2. Also would have provided balance for those less than happy to be back in alliance blue. Though temp squad die at croons at minimum would have still been something.

[dreamgazer]

Think the friction of ex-Cerberus operative would have been great. A 180 where she ends up the pariah like jack in me2. Also would have provided balance for those less than happy to be back in alliance blue. Though temp squad die at croons at minimum would have still been something.

The friction might have been interesting, but she'd be a prime candidate for suspicions of being a spy. It breaks plausibility.

Cronos would work, though, since it's after she's proven herself a bit on Horizon.

[wright1978]

The friction might have been interesting, but she'd be a prime candidate for suspicions of being a spy. It breaks plausibility.

Cronos would work, though, since it's after she's proven herself a bit on Horizon.

 

Just as Kaidan/Ashley think Shep is one, so hardly a deal breaker. Don't think it breaks plausibility anymore than recruitment of any other non alliance squadmate over the series.

[Mister J]

If I had been there with the writing team I would have proposed to have her take over the whole Cerberus operation, like Liara took over the Shadow Brokers base, establish herself as the Illusive Woman and make all Cerberus forces war assets for Shepard. That would make her a much bigger character though, and I like how beautifully TheDoctorsRose in the 'order of preference' topic describes how she was the heroine of her own story that was kinda outside Shepards story.

 

Say, what's wrong here? I can't copy and paste text and the quote function doesn't work either?

[ImaginaryMatter]

If I had been there with the writing team I would have proposed to have her take over the whole Cerberus operation, like Liara took over the Shadow Brokers base, establish herself as the Illusive Woman and make all Cerberus forces war assets for Shepard. That would make her a much bigger character though, and I like how beautifully TheDoctorsRose in the 'order of preference' topic describes how she was the heroine of her own story that was kinda outside Shepards story.

 

Say, what's wrong here? I can't copy and paste text and the quote function doesn't work either?

 

I don't know TIW doesn't quite roll off the tongue.

[dreamgazer]

Just as Kaidan/Ashley think Shep is one, so hardly a deal breaker. Don't think it breaks plausibility anymore than recruitment of any other non alliance squadmate over the series.

Shepard =/= Miranda.

And yes, deep Cerberus ties differ greatly from the other non-alliance squadmates over the series.