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[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Wouldn't most of those also apply to Shepard? Plus a few more, like diplomat.

 

Probably. I'm not arguing that Shepard isn't or is a mary-sue character. He can be both in and out of universe, and he can be both at the same time.

[Last Hearth]

At peace? I don't know what that means. I mean it doesn't bother me any more, I never even think about it. So in that way I am at peace with it?

 

But on the other hand it killed all my enthusiasm for the series which will never come back. I did not buy the Leviathan or the Citadel DLC, I didn't even bother to get the free "Extended Ending" DLC because it does not fundamentally fix any of the issues I had.  I have never bothered to replay any of the games,  I don't give a damn about the entire universe any more.  I have not followed the Mass Effect 4 development news and have no interest in getting it when it comes out.  It's all dead to me.

 

This is actually the first time I've even been on these forums since 2012, and I'm only her because I was looking for DAI news.

[Arcian]

When fire burns, is it at war? Is it in conflict? Or is it simply doing what it was created to do?
This is no different

What did you hope to accomplish by parroting the Catalyst's idiotic statement?

[Mister J]

Usually I think of a mary sue character as someone who is clumsily written by an author who wants to create their own image of perfection, which results in a highly unrealistic persona. Miranda in my opinion doesn't really fit that definition. She's genetically designed to be perfect at everything; but the results of that are very realistic: she's become cocky and all other characters hate her for it except the most loving (Kasumi) and mature (Samara, Liara) ones. That doesn't happen to ordinary mary sue/gary stu characters I believe: those are also perfectly modest and beloved by everyone.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Usually I think of a mary sue character as someone who is clumsily written by an author who wants to create their own image of perfection, which results in a highly unrealistic persona. Miranda in my opinion doesn't really fit that definition. She's genetically designed to be perfect at everything; but the results of that are very realistic: she's become cocky and all other characters hate her for it except the most loving (Kasumi) and mature (Samara, Liara) ones. That doesn't happen to ordinary mary sue/gary stu characters I believe: those are also perfectly modest and beloved by everyone.

 

I agree, she does have a valid, in-universe reason for why she is good at everything.

[Farangbaa]

What did you hope to accomplish by parroting the Catalyst's idiotic statement?

Merely mirroring yours.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I agree, she does have a valid, in-universe reason for why she is good at everything.

 

And as I've said and was mentioned, she's by no means perfectly awesome at everything (a staple of the Mary-Sue), or perfectly beloved or respected or showed with admiration and adoration.

[Arcian]

Merely mirroring yours.

No, you're not, you're demonstrating some incredibly pathetic argumentative skills. If you disagree with my opinion on Mass Effect 3, you are welcome to challenge it instead of making pointless, childish quips and quoting poorly written lines that can't even be applied to the situation.

[Bane]

Am I at peace? Yes, for the most part.

 

The combination of the Extended Cut, the Citadel DLC, and two years was enough to temper the anger and disappointment I felt toward the original endings. There are still things I don't like, but I feel better about the state of my galaxy, my squad, and my Shepard. I'll be able to look back on the trilogy fondly, with (most of) the admiration it deserves as one of the greatest game series of all time.

 

The ending fiasco and the quality of Dragon Age 2 has tarnished my opinion of BioWare somewhat, but I have faith that they've learned from their mistakes. I even believe that Inquisition and Mass Effect 4 could end up being better games because of it. I'm looking forward to continuing my adventures in both universes and won't hesitate to pick them up.

[Charcolt]

Eh, I think I'm cool with it. Things like the ending have ruined any chance of me enjoying a replay of the trilogy, but I still remember the fun parts, the great characters, the interesting aliens and the great moral dilemmas of Mass Effect. I'm still getting Inquisition, and while I still think that ME as a series could have been done a lot better, I'm not that upset about it anymore.

[AlanC9]

What did you hope to accomplish by parroting the Catalyst's idiotic statement?

I don't see what's idiotic about the statement. Are humans at war with deer during hunting season? Or with corn at harvest time? The deer and the corn might think so, and from their perspective they'd be right.

[Arcian]

I don't see what's idiotic about the statement. Are humans at war with deer during hunting season? Or with corn at harvest time? The deer and the corn might think so, and from their perspective they'd be right.

The Catalyst is comparing the Reapers, intelligent, sapient AI constructs, to the chemical process of combustion. A fire cannot choose not to burn, because it is not alive, intelligent and self aware to be able to make such a choice. It is a non-living chemical process. War is an act of premeditated conflict between two intelligent, sapient parties. For the purposes of intelligence and sapience, the Reapers are very much alive and very much able to choose not to murder trillions of individuals every 50,000 years in an insane attempt to "save" life.

 

For that very reason, deer and corn cannot see man as being at war with them, because neither has a concept of war. The deer only has a concept of predator and prey, and corn isn't intelligent or self-aware in order to be able to comprehend concepts in the first place. War can only be waged by intelligent, sapient individuals. It cannot be waged by nature or by accident. War is always instigated, and of this crime, the Reapers are guilty 20,000 times over.

As for the definition of war:

war  (wôr)

n.

1.

a. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

b. The period of such conflict.

c. The techniques and procedures of war; military science.

2.

a. A condition of active antagonism or contention: a war of words; a price war.

b. A concerted effort or campaign to combat or put an end to something considered injurious: the war against acid rain.

intr.v. warred, war·ring, wars

1. To wage or carry on warfare.

2. To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; contend.

Idiom:

at war

In an active state of conflict or contention.

[Kel Riever]

OP:  Basically no, and I feel like a better person for it.

 

I accept that Mass Effect 3 blew itself up.  I accept my end of paying money for BioWare stuff.  I accept that making fun of the ending(s) has gotten me more of my money's worth than the Glowjob's dialogue.

 

But if they ever actually fix the ending, I'll change my mind.  If they never do, I'm saving money!

[Loup Blanc]

I have moved on, but I am not at peace. As a matter of fact, I haven't played or thought about Mass Effect since the EC was released.

 

Just reading this section of the forum, and I remember how let down and disgusted I was with the game, but especially the ending.

 

I guess I just didn't want to think about ME anymore. I wanted to forget the bitterness.

 

This being said, I still love the world of Mass Effect. I am just disgusted with the underwhelming conclusion of the trilogy.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I simply have fun lampooning the Swiss Cheese plot these days. It gives me purpose.

[dreamgazer]

Pretty much all space operas have plots made of Swiss cheese.

If the two most recent Trek films are any indication, we're in for some doozies with Episode VII.

[KaiserShep]

2009's Star Trek and Into Darkness have so many logical issues with plotting, it's amazing Spock doesn't burst into flames.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Pretty much all space operas have plots made of Swiss cheese.

If the two most recent Trek films are any indication, we're in for some doozies with Episode VII.

 

They don't have the same writers do they?

[KaiserShep]

They share the same writers as Transformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, quite possibly one of the most expensive turds ever excreted. That should be enough.

[dreamgazer]

They don't have the same writers do they?

Depends on how you look at Abrams' participation with all his projects, but no. They've got the writer of Dreamcatcher and The Bodyguard (and, yeah, sure, The Empire Strikes Back), Lawrence Kasdan, writing the script for Ep. VII alongside Abrams.

[tainted_legacy]

I'm at peace.  Disappointed with the ending, but there's no way I'm letting the last 5 minutes of a game ruin approximately 60 hours (each game takes me roughly 20 hours to complete, side-quests and all).  The series still remains as one of, if not the, best that I have ever played.

[Farangbaa]

The Catalyst is comparing the Reapers, intelligent, sapient AI constructs, to the chemical process of combustion. A fire cannot choose not to burn, because it is not alive, intelligent and self aware to be able to make such a choice. 

 

Obviously the Reapers don't have this choice.

 

No, you're not, you're demonstrating some incredibly pathetic argumentative skills. If you disagree with my opinion on Mass Effect 3, you are welcome to challenge it instead of making pointless, childish quips and quoting poorly written lines that can't even be applied to the situation.

 

Excuse me?

 

You're at war with a video game. Given that lengthy post you just made about war involving two sapient parties, I think we can safely conclude you're the one spewing nonsense here, not me. 

 

Also that line was perfectly applicable to the situation.

[Iakus]

I'm at peace.  Disappointed with the ending, but there's no way I'm letting the last 5 minutes of a game ruin approximately 60 hours (each game takes me roughly 20 hours to complete, side-quests and all).  The series still remains as one of, if not the, best that I have ever played.

I keep hearing that.  But the last five minutes of the game can also potentially taint future installments.

 

Also, I've played much better series.  But that's just me.

[Arcian]

Obviously the Reapers don't have this choice.

Obviously they do, they are intelligent beings with the capacity to choose their actions. Every Reaper we've seen in-game have been able to choose their actions. No one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to be genocidal. They chose to be mass-murderers on their own volition.

 

Being ignorant because you don't know any better is one thing, but refuting evidence that's staring you in the face pretty much obliterates your credibility.

 

 

Excuse me?

 

You're at war with a video game. Given that lengthy post you just made about war involving two sapient parties, I think we can safely conclude you're the one spewing nonsense here, not me. 

Yeah, no, the problem is that you seemingly lack the faculties to understand word play. That's okay, you're not the only one.

 

 

 

Also that line was perfectly applicable to the situation.

It wasn't, because you were comparing my word play, which has nothing to do with actual warfare, to a moronic statement comparing the chemical process of combustion to an actual war fought between armed forces using deliberate strategies and tactics.

[Iakus]

Obviously they do, they are intelligent beings with the capacity to choose their actions. Every Reaper we've seen in-game have been able to choose their actions. No one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to be genocidal. They chose to be mass-murderers on their own volition.

 

Being ignorant because you don't know any better is one thing, but refuting evidence that's staring you in the face pretty much obliterates your credibility.

 

 

"We are each a nation, independant, free of all weakness".