It's stuff like that that gives IT its place.
I go with the Bad Writing Theory, but still.
There sure a lot of surreal aspects to the ending, from the lack of direction and cohesion, the music, the Catalyst's speech and dialogue, etc.
There was a lot more of this pre-EC but there are still the weird parts poking through.
You know, saying it over and over again doesn't make it any less false. Headcanon them as slaves if that's what you really want, but know that the trilogy doesn't agree with you. The Catalyst has tried a bunch of different ideas, but none of them has worked quite as well as the cycle. Not until the Catalyst magically solved all of its problems.
Trying different things is not the same as deviating from your purpose. You're trying to make it sound as if the cycles are it's purpose; it's not.
Am I ok that they had Shepard commit suicide because of unverifiable fantastical information given to them by his/her enemy - an enemy that routinely uses lies in the form of indoctrination? Uh, no. [Explative deleted] no. I'm pissed how they lied about the game even up to its release. I'm pissed about how they didn't even acknowledge those "inaccuracies". I'm pissed how we were treated. And I'm pissed that they wrote the most imbecilic ending I've ever had the misfortune to experience to my favorite series ever.
Despite all that, it's still my favorite franchise. I just finished playing ME2 again tonight, after finishing ME1 a couple weeks ago. And I'm about to start 3 for the 2nd time. However, I'm still going to choose the "Savage End" (which is the title of my fan-fic ending) - namely, rejecting their reality (by shutting off the game before I get there) and substituting my own.
If I feel like it, I may even buy the Omega and/or Citadel DLC's. I still haven't downloaded EC, have no interest in Leviathan whatsoever, and they couldn't pay me to play multiplayer. Nor will I be buying ME4. Not unless they do something drastic to fix that mess, which isn't likely to happen.
Technically, Shepard only commits suicide if the EMS is too low or you pick...oh nevermind.
Trying different things is not the same as deviating from your purpose. You're trying to make it sound as if the cycles are it's purpose; it's not.
But why would he deviate from his purpose? What else is there for him to do? Your notion that he HAS to be enslaved because he doesn't abandon his purpose to become a virtual pianist is completely insane.
I've done 5 playthroughs and spent more than 800 hrs in multiplayer of ME3, guess I'm okay with what it is finally.
But IMHO ME2 is still the best game in the series.
But why would he deviate from his purpose? What else is there for him to do? Your notion that he HAS to be enslaved because he doesn't abandon his purpose to become a virtual pianist is completely insane.
But why would he deviate from his purpose? What else is there for him to do? Your notion that he HAS to be enslaved because he doesn't abandon his purpose to become a virtual pianist is completely insane.
While I'm loath to defend anything Catalyst-related, I imagine that with its intended purpose to keep synthetics from wiping everyone out, it can at least keep this at bay by culling the advanced civilizations. Of course, with all this mass relay business and accelerating the technological development cycle it all becomes a load of hooey if you really think about it, but still. In-game, it's basically, as Hackett would call it, a delaying action until some other solution is devised. I kind of wish that the Catalyst had remarked on the irony that in trying to desperately to destroy the Crucible plans over the ages, it never really gave a good look at them to see if there was anything that may be of interest, like its apparent ability to synthesize everything, assuming that this was part of the plans for at least a few cycles.
All other DLCs > OmegaIf I feel like it, I may even buy the Omega and/or Citadel DLC's. I still haven't downloaded EC, have no interest in Leviathan whatsoever, and they couldn't pay me to play multiplayer.
It's no more insane than stating that at least 20.000 Reapers are all fully dedicated to a singular purpose without ever deviating from it because they want to.
The fact that they are is not evidence of them being enslaved. This is what you are unwilling or unable to get into your head.
The fact that they are is not evidence of them being enslaved. This is what you are unwilling or unable to get into your head.
Or that.
The Catalyst in the brief seconds before it dies was probably using it's lament circuits to wonder how such a primitive organic could lead to its downfall.
Or snicker and go "I can't believe that actually worked!"
Technically, Shepard only commits suicide if the EMS is too low or you pick...oh nevermind.
The Catalyst heavilly implies Shepard will die in Destroy.
And walking into an explosion like that sure looks like suicide to me, to the point where if Shepard survives it looks more like a botched suicide attempt than anything else.
Rule of Cool again.Or stand from a distance and shoot at the tube.
While I'm loath to defend anything Catalyst-related, I imagine that with its intended purpose to keep synthetics from wiping everyone out, it can at least keep this at bay by culling the advanced civilizations. Of course, with all this mass relay business and accelerating the technological development cycle it all becomes a load of hooey if you really think about it, but still. In-game, it's basically, as Hackett would call it, a delaying action until some other solution is devised. I kind of wish that the Catalyst had remarked on the irony that in trying to desperately to destroy the Crucible plans over the ages, it never really gave a good look at them to see if there was anything that may be of interest, like its apparent ability to synthesize everything, assuming that this was part of the plans for at least a few cycles.
That's another part about Leviathan that always bothered me -- on the side I think that DLC makes the ending even worse. The Leviathan hints that the Catalyst has been looking for this Synthesis option; yet, the way to grant it seems pretty easy. You just have to build some sort of high energy device into the Citadel and chuck an organic in. In all the billions of years and advance technology I find it a little odd that somehow it took a bunch of ragtag different groups of organics with no communication and maybe even understanding of what they were working on to some how create this option.
'The Crucible has changed me. It created new possibilities'
Probably the only functions of the Crucible known to the Catalyst are destroy and control; destroy because it's the original intent of the Crucible, control because TIM was not the first who came up with the idea (we know for certain there were advocates for the idea during the Prothean cycle, indoctrinated agents).
It's not impossible the Crucible opened up the possibility to synthesis, nor is it impossible the Crucible literally changed the Catalyst. Though this would imply that at least on of the civilizations in one cycle knew of the Catalyst (or accidentally designed the Crucible so that it would change the Catalyst.. highly unlikely)
We don't have enough information about past cycles to even know when the crucible had its beginning. I like to think the Great Rift Valley on Klendagon was the result of an early attempt to use the crucible, maybe before they figured out attaching it to the Citadel. Like maybe they were just trying to kill the local reapers, not all of them at the same time. Who knows? We don't know how quickly its design evolved. How many cycles didn't even find the plans, or understood them if they did?
We don't have enough information about past cycles to even know when the crucible had its beginning. I like to think the Great Rift Valley on Klendagon was the result of an early attempt to use the crucible, maybe before they figured out attaching it to the Citadel. Like maybe they were just trying to kill the local reapers, not all of them at the same time. Who knows? We don't know how quickly its design evolved. How many cycles didn't even find the plans, or understood them if they did?
Isn't the Great Rift basically confirmed as a result of being hit by some sort of super large mass accelerator?
Isn't the Great Rift basically confirmed as a result of being hit by some sort of super large mass accelerator?
Sure, but I still like to think it's the crucible anyway 
The Catalyst heavilly implies Shepard will die in Destroy.
And walking into an explosion like that sure looks like suicide to me, to the point where if Shepard survives it looks more like a botched suicide attempt than anything else.
My only issue with the ending was the motivations of the Reapers. I'm a very late comer to the party (having finished the series for the first time a little over a week ago,) and that was the only part of the game that outright made me angry.
However, I'm not going to let 10 minutes of poorly explained dialogue ruin my experience with the games. I let Citadel be my ending and just move on out from there. I'm not going to pre-order any ME game or even buy it new without reading a lot of reviews first. I'm too skeptical to do otherwise, but I'm at peace.
I actually find that the Reaper solution was entirely logical from a computer philosophy standpoint. There are numerous sci-fi stories about computers designed to cease war that see the only logical conclusion. To remove those instigating the war. Humans. This is simply that classic sci-fi story on a grander scale.
I think the major fault of the ending of Mass Effect 3 was that it did not offer any sort of implication for the consequences of your ending. The extended cut rectifies a lot of the problems I personally had with it, so I'm at peace. I am not even angry or upset. It's not like Bioware owes me anything anyway -- and the extended cut was above and beyond what most developers would do. It shows that they really do care about their story and their fans.
Rule of Cool again.
I hate things done under "Rule of Cool", it usually just looks stupid.
I do as well.
I wonder how much stuff is in the trilogy because of that?
Rule of Cool again.
I hate things done under "Rule of Cool", it usually just looks stupid.
Nah, there's plenty of times Rule of Cool works. Like being able to hear all the explosions and gunfire in Sovereign's attack on the Citadel.
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