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[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Rule of cool seems to be prevalent when it shouldn't be and lacking when it needs to be present. In large parts, it's just anti-climactic action sequences mixed with a distinct lack of finesse and subtlety.

[Arcian]

Rule of Cool again.

I hate things done under "Rule of Cool", it usually just looks stupid.

Rule of cool works when it it done tongue in cheek, not when it is done with a 100% straight face

[Fixers0]

I personally find the thread title to be rather suggestive, it implies as if all responsabilty for being "at peace" lies with me. This however, I disagree with, It should be task of the game to make me feel "at peace" with it's resolution, I can't be at peace with something when it doesn't allow me to.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I personally find the thread title to be rather suggestive, it implies as if all responsabilty for being "at peace" lies with me. This however, I disagree with, It should be task of the game to make me feel "at peace" with it's resolution, I can't be at peace with something when it doesn't allow me to.

 

It's entirely your problem however to let the game have that much sway over you.  It's your fault for not coming to peace over the lack of peace of resolution, so to speak.

[Fixers0]

It's entirely your problem however to let the game have that much sway over you.  It's your fault for not coming to peace over the lack of peace of resolution, so to speak.

 

Needless to say I was speaking hypothetically, I personally hold no strong feelings towards works of fiction. I prefer to analyse them based on their objective qualities.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I actually find that the Reaper solution was entirely logical from a computer philosophy standpoint. There are numerous sci-fi stories about computers designed to cease war that see the only logical conclusion. To remove those instigating the war. Humans. This is simply that classic sci-fi story on a grander scale.

 

I think the major fault of the ending of Mass Effect 3 was that it did not offer any sort of implication for the consequences of your ending. The extended cut rectifies a lot of the problems I personally had with it, so I'm at peace. I am not even angry or upset. It's not like Bioware owes me anything anyway -- and the extended cut was above and beyond what most developers would do. It shows that they really do care about their story and their fans.

 

This!

[CaIIisto]

I am until I think about it, or play it....

 

My love-hate relationship with the game continues.

[Original182]

2 years after release, the ending is still the hottest issue of the gaming world. Many say that Bioware betrayed their fans and when Bioware stood up and said that they were going to do something about the ending, many fans still think they betrayed them when they still stuck to the theme of the God Child and their purpose of Organic and Synthetic conflict.

 

My question to players out their is this:

 

Now with the Extended Cut DLC, are you at peace with ME3? When I mean "at peace" I don't mean you like it and it's perfect, it means are you alright with it being as it is and are you able to move on and accept it?

 

Are you still angry and you will continue to be unhappy with Bioware and you hold a belief that there might be a way for them to go back and change the entire game? Or do you no longer wish to be unhappy and accept the ending and find a way to play off the parts of the ME3 story for your personal epilogue?

 

For me, I'm dong the latter. I was a Post EC newcomer so I was able to experience the more complete ending, with the Leviathan and Citadel DLC, and I was okay with it. I know there were things that could have been done better especially in the final battle to the beam.

 

I had an idea of dividing the War assets into three categories, (Fleet strength, Ground Strength, Crucible strength) and each strength affects each one in the final battle leading up the final choice.

 

But for me, I don't want to put myself in the trap of "Could have been" and dwell so much on the negative and forget all the great fun I had playing all 3 games. I saw the EC and I thought it was good and I nodded my head during the credits looking back at the incredible journey I had.

 

What about you? Are you still letting yourself stay in the pit of "Could have been" or are you finding a way to be happy with what is? I found my way which is through my Fan-fic epilogue of the best Destroy ending. (Complete with my theory of how the Geth and EDI can be resurrected)

 

I didn't buy the game back in 2012, only this year, and I am at peace with the Synthesis ending. It is a great finish to an awesome trilogy.

 

I do wish they told us what happened to the companions after the ending, but I didn't feel betrayed with what they gave me.

[Gonder]

Time has passed since the uproar over the endings, and the Extended Cut helped douse the flames just that little bit more faster. For me personally, the Citadel DLC is what truly made me feel at peace with Mass Effect 3. It gave me more closure than I could have ever possibly anticipated for, and it has been a hell of a ride to be remembered; It's painful finishing it up and heading back out into the depressing field of death and despair, only to know what fate awaits me, though I remain positive, even beyond the ending. The destroy ending is the traditional choice of ending for my main Shepard, and as the lone survivor of Akuze, the hardy Sentinel who no foe can seem to take down, him surviving the destroy ending is only suitable, and puts me at peace with the ending... even though there is a slight chance he simply choked to death a few moments after that last breathing scene. Anyway!... 

[lordbyro]

No. ME3 was largely action/shooter (I prefer RPG, intense dialogs, imersion, etc). E.C was a... patch. He didn't fix the weak development from the third episode.

More important: Shepard breath at the end (I choose RED ending) AND next ME don't consider MY commander into the new saga. So, I don't care ME"4". You see? I'm not in peace.

[Abedsbrother]

Yes, I am at peace with it. Not happy with the amount of DLC I had to purchase (though they were all good / amazing), but the complete game is now very satisfying IMO (destroy ending ftw). 

Don't want Shepard in another game. I think he (or she, thought I always play as maleshep) has done enough. Deserves to live out his retirement with his LI in peace (would like to have seen a shot / slide of that, Bioware!).

[RiptideX1090]

Am I at peace with Mass Effect 3? I don't know, I wasn't aware I was at war with it.

 

I am not interested in war. If fire burns, is it at war? Or is it merely doing what it was intended?

 

In all seriousness, I'm not losing sleep over ME3 or anything, I seriously just want to move on and go on new adventures that don't end in retard explosions that blow up the galaxy.

[RiouHotaru]

Personally?  I was fine with the original endings.  In fact, after they released the Extended Cut I felt it was worse in most places as far as the endings were concerned.  And then Leviathan came out (Which would've been the first DLC had the EC not taken priority) and basically confirmed a lot of the things regarding the endings the EC told us, which made that part of the EC horribly redundant.

 

Also, the way people treated it as though the Catalyst had to be malicious or have an underhanded motive, despite the obvious and glaring evidence to the contrary which, when presented, couldn't be refutted and was handwaved away.  I feel sorry for Bioware that the EC was necessary, since it only served to confirm what most had deduced from the game itself.  And even lost friends who were so emotionally distraught and felt my lack of rage was some indication that I was an idiot.

 

I mean, I understand that the consumer feels they should, having invested in the product, get their due satisfaction.  But it was Bioware's story, and as much as people tried (and failed) to argue how horrible it was, it honestly wasn't.  Jarring, yes.  Strange, yes.  Disconcerting?  Probably.  But all these cries of "narrative violation" and using the term "artistic integrity" as an insult to the company, as well as the completely unfounded accusations that Casie and Mac basically wrote the ending themsevles and forced it through without a shred of proof besides "It sounds like what happened"?

 

Felt completely overblown and ridiculous.  I've been at peace with the games for a while.  It's the fandom that makes me sigh and roll my eyes.

[angol fear]

Personally?  I was fine with the original endings.  In fact, after they released the Extended Cut I felt it was worse in most places as far as the endings were concerned.  And then Leviathan came out (Which would've been the first DLC had the EC not taken priority) and basically confirmed a lot of the things regarding the endings the EC told us, which made that part of the EC horribly redundant.

 

Also, the way people treated it as though the Catalyst had to be malicious or have an underhanded motive, despite the obvious and glaring evidence to the contrary which, when presented, couldn't be refutted and was handwaved away.  I feel sorry for Bioware that the EC was necessary, since it only served to confirm what most had deduced from the game itself.  And even lost friends who were so emotionally distraught and felt my lack of rage was some indication that I was an idiot.

 

I mean, I understand that the consumer feels they should, having invested in the product, get their due satisfaction.  But it was Bioware's story, and as much as people tried (and failed) to argue how horrible it was, it honestly wasn't.  Jarring, yes.  Strange, yes.  Disconcerting?  Probably.  But all these cries of "narrative violation" and using the term "artistic integrity" as an insult to the company, as well as the completely unfounded accusations that Casie and Mac basically wrote the ending themsevles and forced it through without a shred of proof besides "It sounds like what happened"?

 

Felt completely overblown and ridiculous.  I've been at peace with the games for a while.  It's the fandom that makes me sigh and roll my eyes.

 

I'll just correct one thing : the Extended cut wasn't necessary and it still isn't necessary. The original ending is far better than the extended cut and the structure of the game is better without DLC.

All of these things are "necessary" for the one who can't understand without it/them.

 

Anyway, on this forum most people never really talked about the game.

[Farangbaa]

Personally?  I was fine with the original endings.  In fact, after they released the Extended Cut I felt it was worse in most places as far as the endings were concerned.  And then Leviathan came out (Which would've been the first DLC had the EC not taken priority) and basically confirmed a lot of the things regarding the endings the EC told us, which made that part of the EC horribly redundant.

 

Also, the way people treated it as though the Catalyst had to be malicious or have an underhanded motive, despite the obvious and glaring evidence to the contrary which, when presented, couldn't be refutted and was handwaved away.  I feel sorry for Bioware that the EC was necessary, since it only served to confirm what most had deduced from the game itself.  And even lost friends who were so emotionally distraught and felt my lack of rage was some indication that I was an idiot.

 

I mean, I understand that the consumer feels they should, having invested in the product, get their due satisfaction.  But it was Bioware's story, and as much as people tried (and failed) to argue how horrible it was, it honestly wasn't.  Jarring, yes.  Strange, yes.  Disconcerting?  Probably.  But all these cries of "narrative violation" and using the term "artistic integrity" as an insult to the company, as well as the completely unfounded accusations that Casie and Mac basically wrote the ending themsevles and forced it through without a shred of proof besides "It sounds like what happened"?

 

Felt completely overblown and ridiculous.  I've been at peace with the games for a while.  It's the fandom that makes me sigh and roll my eyes.

 

Are you single?

 

 

I agree so much it almost hurts lol

[Daemul]

I agree with the people above, I was mostly fine with the original ending. The only things that bothered me were how the squadmates who were with you on Earth got back on the Normandy and why Joker was running away, I was fine with everything else. All the extra exposition, slideshows and voiceovers were unneeded, all it did was confirm what a lot of people had already figured out, and yeah, Leviathan made the EC redundant, it's now a rehash of what we have already been told. 

[Iakus]

I'll be at peace with them when and if Bioware tells us that they will not be carried forward into future games.

[RiouHotaru]

I'll just correct one thing : the Extended cut wasn't necessary and it still isn't necessary. The original ending is far better than the extended cut and the structure of the game is better without DLC.

All of these things are "necessary" for the one who can't understand without it/them.

 

Anyway, on this forum most people never really talked about the game.

 

Don't get me wrong, there were things the Extended Cut did that I liked.  It fixed a few game bugs (like Gabby/Ken not getting their romantic interlude unless you had Ashley around), and having the the evacuation scene, which while redundant (it could be easily implied the Normandy picked them up), did give Shepard one last scene with their LI that, at least for me, was really touching.  But a lot of the EC was basically Bioware confirming what most people could already infer from the game itself:

 

• Catalyst is non-malicious
• Normandy evacs the squadmates, hence their seeming "teleportation" onto the ship
• Joker "running away" correctly revealed as leaving the battlefield when the Crucible fires
• The Mass Relay is still destroyed, but changed away from being an explosion so people didn't get the wrong idea (a fact Mr. Hudson actually pointed out in an interview, it was never their intent to make people thing the Relay being destroyed caused an Arrival-style eruption)
• People starving to death, etc
• The entire conversation with the Catalyst which was rendered a moot point by Leviathan

 

 

Are you single?

 

 

I agree so much it almost hurts lol

 

It's a very unpopular opinion.  I still groan thinking about people calling the Catalyst a Deus Ex Machina, when he's anything but.

 

I agree with the people above, I was mostly fine with the original ending. The only things that bothered me were how the squadmates who were with you on Earth got back on the Normandy and why Joker was running away, I was fine with everything else. All the extra exposition, slideshows and voiceovers were unneeded, all it did was confirm what a lot of people had already figured out, and yeah, Leviathan made the EC redundant, it's now a rehash of what we have already been told. 

 

I just feel like it would've been interesting to see what sort of game we'd have if the EC hadn't come out.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Why do people group anti-enders in the same category? There were a variety of different reasons why people didn't like the ending, with some complaints being more valid than others. Like, for example, some of us were asking perfectly reasonable questions about logic, continuity, coherence, and motivation that the original endings (and the EC to some extend) couldn't even be bothered to address with some halfass explanation.

[RiouHotaru]

Why do people group anti-enders in the same category? There were a variety of different reasons why people didn't like the ending, with some complaints being more valid than others. Like, for example, some of us were asking perfectly reasonable questions about logic, continuity, coherence, and motivation that the original endings (and the EC to some extend) couldn't even be bothered to address with some halfass explanation.

 

It's less their reasons and more the backlash anyone pro-ending got from the anti-ending crowd.  It was a near universal response of how pro-enders had no taste, didn't care about the story, lowest common denominator, etc, etc.  Saying you were pro-ending back then was (and I say with this sadly little sarcasm) tantamount to putting up a neon sign over your head saying "Flame Me."

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The way I figure it was that there was an unwritten subplot where Shepard had to endure constant ribbing from her/his comrades for thinking that Asari needed other species to reproduce. This went on for three years. Shepard finally had enough. Anderson, in cut content, said something to Shepard about it before he died. Even the Catalyst in unpublished dialogue said something about it. That was why Shepard committed suicide in the end. Shepard couldn't take it anymore.

 

Now the way I figure they'll continue ME is to set Destroy as canon. Set the story 100 years in the future. Have "our children" already have created synthetics and they're roaming around everywhere. And everyone has cybernetic implants that allow them to interface directly with synthetics giving synthetics and organics understanding of each other. Synthetics have no need to rebel against their creators because they understand their creators and thus the problem the catalyst was trying to solve is solved. Organics enhance themselves with cybernetics. It is routine. Synthesis was achieved in our own way.

[SporkFu]

The way I figure it was that there was an unwritten subplot where Shepard had to endure constant ribbing from her/his comrades for thinking that Asari needed other species to reproduce. This went on for three years. Shepard finally had enough. Anderson, in cut content, said something to Shepard about it before he died. Even the Catalyst in unpublished dialogue said something about it. That was why Shepard committed suicide in the end. Shepard couldn't take it anymore.

 

Now the way I figure they'll continue ME is to set Destroy as canon. Set the story 100 years in the future. Have "our children" already have created synthetics and they're roaming around everywhere. And everyone has cybernetic implants that allow them to interface directly with synthetics giving synthetics and organics understanding of each other. Synthetics have no need to rebel against their creators because they understand their creators and thus the problem the catalyst was trying to solve is solved. Organics enhance themselves with cybernetics. It is routine. Synthesis was achieved in our own way.

Liara: I'm trapped in this gigantic prothean security bubble. Can you help me get out?

shep: How did you end up like this?

Liara: I came here looking for a mate.

shep: What? 

Liara: Yes. No one but other asari at home. 

shep: I don't underst- ...dammit.

Wrex *laughingly punches Kaidan on the shoulder*

Kaidan *flies across the cavern*

Garrus *laughing so hard he falls off his sniper perch* 

Tali: Stop...stop it. Can't. Breathe. Might... Die. 

shep: Jeez Liara, I haven't even asked you about that yet. 

Liara: I am will be a very good information broker, shepard. 

EDI (from the moon) : 01010100011010000110000101110100001000000110100101110011001000000110000100100000011011000110111101101110011001110010000001110111011000010111100100100000011001100110111101110010001000000110000100100000011010100110111101101011011001010000110100001010

[Farangbaa]

I love how EDI's binary actually says something.

[SporkFu]

I love how EDI's binary actually says something.

I had it typed out alphabetically at first, then remembered EDI is still on the moon at that point and can't vocalize her thoughts yet.  

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I had it typed out alphabetically at first, then remembered EDI is still on the moon at that point and can't vocalize her thoughts yet.  

 

Okay you guys passed me on the nerd scale. What does it say?