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[angol fear]

 the fact that most of the narrative is about fighting the war conventionally.

That's totally wrong. It worked on hope and desperation, it is never said in Mass Effect 3 that we will win conventionally. The player interpreted it this way.

[KaiserShep]

And maybe they won't, in which case the synthetics deserve to rule the galaxy.

 

Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.

[SporkFu]

 

Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.

One of my favorite movies of all time. Gotta like it. 

[AchesOfDoom]

For me, Destroy is the original ending...the other two...I know, I know people will throw rocks at me...but they are Utopic, never ever going to happen. Those who do, are naive. Including Bioware employees, because evolution does not conclude in bio-metal entities. Sorry for my post.

[Iakus]

For me, Destroy is the original ending...the other two...I know, I know people will throw rocks at me...but they are Utopic, never ever going to happen. Those who do, are naive. Including Bioware employees, because evolution does not conclude in bio-metal entities. Sorry for my post.

 

Utopia Justifies the Means  

[Reorte]

That's totally wrong. It worked on hope and desperation, it is never said in Mass Effect 3 that we will win conventionally. The player interpreted it this way.

That's not what he said. He said that most of the story is about it, and that's true - you spend most of the time running around rallying conventional forces and concentrating on taking down Cerberus. That isn't the same as saying that the story says we're going to win conventionally - it doesn't, but it spends precious little time on that.

[angol fear]

That's not what he said. He said that most of the story is about it, and that's true - you spend most of the time running around rallying conventional forces and concentrating on taking down Cerberus. That isn't the same as saying that the story says we're going to win conventionally - it doesn't, but it spends precious little time on that.

Mass effect 3 starts with Hackett saying we can't win conventionally. In Mass Effect, we never are a menace for the reapers. Killing two reapers in a game where there's a reapers invasion isn't enough. And in the end the purpose isn't to win conventionally, it's to make the crucible work while we don't really know what it is. If there was the possibility of a conventional victory, why after the run to the beam, after that people think that the mission is a failure, there's Hackett saying to everyone to retreat?

I'm sorry but since the first time I played, I never saw a conventional victory, I actually though that we would be defeated. And it's impossible to think that we can win conventionally or we ignore the narrative.

 

edit : and we gather people to create the crucible not to win conventionally.

[von uber]

No we gather fleets to save earth. Every speech shep says is about this.

[AlanC9]

For me, Destroy is the original ending...the other two...I know, I know people will throw rocks at me...but they are Utopic, never ever going to happen. Those who do, are naive. Including Bioware employees, because evolution does not conclude in bio-metal entities. Sorry for my post.

I agree. Eventually life will cut ties with its biological origins altogether.

[AlanC9]

That's not what he said. He said that most of the story is about it, and that's true - you spend most of the time running around rallying conventional forces and concentrating on taking down Cerberus. That isn't the same as saying that the story says we're going to win conventionally - it doesn't, but it spends precious little time on that.

Imagine a version of ME3 where Shepard spends all of his time building the Crucible and never shoots anything.....

[KaiserShep]

No we gather fleets to save earth. Every speech shep says is about this.

 

This is something I never really cared for, along with the whole "Take Back Earth" marketing tagline that came with the game. It really should've been "Take Back The Galaxy" or something like that. In the end, the only reason the fleets even went to earth is because the reapers forced them to go there when they snagged the Crucible, all because the Illusive Woody Woodpecker threw his sack of monkey wrenches and banana peels into the gears of war. But, I suppose it's fair to remember that if the Crucible did turn out to be its own standalone weapon, they probably would've brought it to the Sol system first.

[Reorte]

Mass effect 3 starts with Hackett saying we can't win conventionally. In Mass Effect, we never are a menace for the reapers. Killing two reapers in a game where there's a reapers invasion isn't enough. And in the end the purpose isn't to win conventionally, it's to make the crucible work while we don't really know what it is. If there was the possibility of a conventional victory, why after the run to the beam, after that people think that the mission is a failure, there's Hackett saying to everyone to retreat?

I'm sorry but since the first time I played, I never saw a conventional victory, I actually though that we would be defeated. And it's impossible to think that we can win conventionally or we ignore the narrative.

 

edit : and we gather people to create the crucible not to win conventionally.

Is that the sound of my post whooshing over your head? I'm not arguing that we can win conventionally. I'm not claiming that the story said we could. What I said before, and I'm going to say it again now, is that most of what we spent our time doing in the game though was building conventional forces (and trying to defeat Cerberus) by getting support from the various races. For most of the game the Crucible was entirely in the background, just the odd message from Hackett. A few side missions would result in Crucible resources but that wasn't ever portrayed as the reason for going to do them.

[Iakus]

Imagine a version of ME3 where Shepard spends all of his time building the Crucible and never shoots anything.....

Imagine a version of ME3 where the resources Shepard gathers affects what the Crucible's capabilities were exactly...

[Ryriena]

I tend to agree, I never got the whole take back earth tag line they gave us in the marketing trailers. Since most of the time, it's Shepard and team gathering resources to fight off the Reapers in different parts of the galaxy. I also didn't find the Crucible plot that engaging since I was more invested in saving the galaxy than this super weapon.

[AlanC9]

Imagine a version of ME3 where the resources Shepard gathers affects what the Crucible's capabilities were exactly...

 

We have that already.

[ImaginaryMatter]

That's totally wrong. It worked on hope and desperation, it is never said in Mass Effect 3 that we will win conventionally.

 

That's not the argument I was making.

[AlanC9]

What I said before, and I'm going to say it again now, is that most of what we spent our time doing in the game though was building conventional forces (and trying to defeat Cerberus) by getting support from the various races. For most of the game the Crucible was entirely in the background, just the odd message from Hackett. A few side missions would result in Crucible resources but that wasn't ever portrayed as the reason for going to do them.

 

Except for Arrae: Ex-Cerberus scientists, although I guess you can classify the rationale for that mission as both attacking Cerberus and gathering scientific  resources. And Priority: Thessia and therefore Priority:Horizon are definitely Crucible-related.

 

But yeah, that isn't what most of the game is about.

[Iakus]

We have that already.

 

So do eezo capacitors help the Crucible Destroy, Control, or Synthesis?

 

How about Conrad's thesis?

 

The Prothean Sphere?

[Uccio]

Not really at peace. Shepard deserved a happy ending option, killing the pc is such a cliché. Destroy is the only option I ever took and it seems to be the only logical canon too.

[AlanC9]

So do eezo capacitors help the Crucible Destroy, Control, or Synthesis?

How about Conrad's thesis?

The Prothean Sphere?

I'm not sure where you're going with this. As you're well aware, you need EMS to unlock options with the Crucible. Plus there's the whole collateral-damage thing and the Shepard-survival thing. (This isn't one of the threads where you pretend to believe that the latter doesn't happen, right?)

[Iakus]

I'm not sure where you're going with this. As you're well aware, you need EMS to unlock options with the Crucible. Plus there's the whole collateral-damage thing and the Shepard-survival thing. (This isn't one of the threads where you pretend to believe that the latter doesn't happen, right?)

Yes, yes.  You need EMS to get the Crucible working

 

But the thing is, all that stuff you're gathering?  It's just a number.  Fill the tank with numbers and you get the outcomes. 

 

What you gather doesn't matter.  Only the EMS number makes a difference.  We're just bolting stuff on without caring what it actually does for you.

 

Which I suppose makes sense because no one really knows what the Crucible does until the very end anyway. 

[TheViper8234]

yes ,I have peaceful avatar too  

[FreshRevenge]

The olther day I wanted to start a new game from Mass Effect 1 and I was in the character creation part and I didn't finish it. I think knowing how terribly the series ends is a real damper on the series all together.

 

I hated the choices given at the end. Every one of the choices went against my character of Shepard. I was forced by an AI Catalyst because it said so. It made illogical reasoning when I proved that synthetics and organics can live peacefully.

 

It does make me sad that Bioware didn't do enough to fix the ending. Sure they fixed a few questions. Why is your team you took with you on the Normandy. But the ending was still the same 3 choices and you can include the refusal ending. Basically you have to submit to the catalyst or lose.

 

Mass Effect 3 ending is the worst ending to any game I know. We all play bad games with bad endings, we usually don't care. Mass Effect is a great game in itself but suffers due to a badly poorly written ending. It was like they didn't know how to end the series.

 

I just hope they don't butcher Dragon Age Inquisition with the same stunt.

[Mordokai]

Not really at peace. Shepard deserved a happy ending option, killing the pc is such a cliché. Destroy is the only option I ever took and it seems to be the only logical canon too.

 

If anything, happy ever after is a much bigger cliche and one utterly at odds with the series main theme.

[ImaginaryMatter]

If anything, happy ever after is a much bigger cliche and one utterly at odds with the series main theme.

 

I don't think Mass Effect really has a single main theme, but if it had to have one I would say it's unity and companionship which very easily lends itself towards a happy ending.