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[dreamgazer]

Too bad someone emptied the salt shaker into this batch.

Good mix of salty, bitter, and sweet from where I'm sitting.

I'm just glad they didn't go full confectional victory with the ending. Too much sugar makes me want to vomit.

[KaiserShep]

You'd think a super advanced warship would have a hardened containment unit in its AI core to protect it from all sorts of radiation, which is pretty prevalent in space. I guess that's what they get for not inscribing anti-spell runes on the walls.

[KaiserShep]

I'd be on board for a confectionary ending. The Crucible turns out to be an infinite probability device and turns the reapers into giant danishes.

[dreamgazer]

I'd be on board for a confectionary ending. The Crucible turns out to be an infinite probability device and turns the reapers into giant danishes.

In the right lighting, they could look like scones.

[TurianRebel212]

EDI, and the Geth as well, would want you to destroy the Reapers. Period. 

[KaiserShep]

They would endorse killing the reapers, however, I doubt that this would be true given the alternatives. The geth are not likely willing to die when the reapers can be controlled or life can be augmented. Dunno about EDI, since she seems to be more emotional about the whole thing, having an individual personality and such. Imagine being able to give EDI the reigns. Joker may find himself a little out of her...league.

[SwobyJ]

EDI only jokes about the Overlord. She would not become one or want others to be one. Scratch Control. Scratch Synthesis.

 

An EDI that is not engaged with actually does act and believe slightly differently (not many know this because they prefer to, well, talk to her). She might more convincingly go for Control or Synthesis. Maybe.

 

The mainline Geth did not want to join the Reapers. They did it out of self preservation, and as far as we know, they're still fighting the Reapers and not for compromise with them anymore. They were just mindhacked by them and do not desire for that to happen again.

 

A Geth with Legion shared amongst them is obvious. Destroy.

 

A Geth with GethVI shared amongst them is not so obvious. Heh, in fact likely Control or something.

 

I think it depends on your level of engagement with the story and characters. I don't mean this in a disparaging way to Control or Synth btw. You can, for example, go very in either direction (especially Paragon in ME3) and find conversational lines that really - if not encourage, then at least open up the possibilities for Control or Synth.

 

However, this isn't what an engaged EDI is really for. Neither a freed and upgraded-by-Legion Geth. Even with the choices right in front of them. Any other status of EDI/Geth? More unknown.

[Iakus]

I'd be on board for a confectionary ending. The Crucible turns out to be an infinite probability device and turns the reapers into giant danishes.

I'd buy that DLC

[DeinonSlayer]

I'd be on board for a confectionary ending. The Crucible turns out to be an infinite probability device and turns the reapers into giant danishes.

Will Harbinger turn into a flower pot, or a whale?

[Xilizhra]

EDI only jokes about the Overlord. She would not become one or want others to be one. Scratch Control. Scratch Synthesis.

 

An EDI that is not engaged with actually does act and believe slightly differently (not many know this because they prefer to, well, talk to her). She might more convincingly go for Control or Synthesis. Maybe.

 

The mainline Geth did not want to join the Reapers. They did it out of self preservation, and as far as we know, they're still fighting the Reapers and not for compromise with them anymore. They were just mindhacked by them and do not desire for that to happen again.

 

A Geth with Legion shared amongst them is obvious. Destroy.

 

A Geth with GethVI shared amongst them is not so obvious. Heh, in fact likely Control or something.

 

I think it depends on your level of engagement with the story and characters. I don't mean this in a disparaging way to Control or Synth btw. You can, for example, go very in either direction (especially Paragon in ME3) and find conversational lines that really - if not encourage, then at least open up the possibilities for Control or Synth.

 

However, this isn't what an engaged EDI is really for. Neither a freed and upgraded-by-Legion Geth. Even with the choices right in front of them. Any other status of EDI/Geth? More unknown.

I don't know. I believe the geth would be willing to see the Reapers controlled to protect themselves; after all, it's not like they're trying to harvest the galaxy anymore.

[SwobyJ]

I don't know. I believe the geth would be willing to see the Reapers controlled to protect themselves; after all, it's not like they're trying to harvest the galaxy anymore.

 

I think they would be quite willing to accept it, and so would EDI. I don't think either (especially a talked-to EDI) would actually choose it. And that depends on Shepard's influence (directly or indirectly).

 

They'll take it though. Just as ME2's characters tolerated the lower choice being done, ME3's characters tolerate the upper choice being done. I just don't think they (at least in their more 'loyal' form) would go for it themselves at that point.

[Xilizhra]

I think they would be quite willing to accept it, and so would EDI. I don't think either (especially a talked-to EDI) would actually choose it. And that depends on Shepard's influence (directly or indirectly).

 

They'll take it though. Just as ME2's characters tolerated the lower choice being done, ME3's characters tolerate the upper choice being done. I just don't think they (at least in their more 'loyal' form) would go for it themselves at that point.

Why's that?

[KaiserShep]

I think they would be quite willing to accept it, and so would EDI. I don't think either (especially a talked-to EDI) would actually choose it. And that depends on Shepard's influence (directly or indirectly).

 

They'll take it though. Just as ME2's characters tolerated the lower choice being done, ME3's characters tolerate the upper choice being done. I just don't think they (at least in their more 'loyal' form) would go for it themselves at that point.

 

I'm pretty certain that the geth would fully promote Synthesis, and to some extent Control (especially if rewritten in ME2), and why not? They're not going to be concerned for the life of one person when it comes to the continued existence of their race, and self-preservation obviously takes precedence for them above most if not all other considerations, like being willing to join the reapers out of desperation, something they do regardless of Shepard's influence. What it really comes down to is that there's a choice other than to wipe out the reapers that also stops the cycle. I have no doubt that the geth would see things the Catalyst's way, because it is entirely to their benefit, and that is the only thing that matters. From their perspective, Destroy is the only option with an immediate and permanent downside.

 

EDI is a different case, because she has individual attachments, some or all of which she might be willing to die for. Of course, she only mentions Jeff, but in the face of this decision, I don't know for certain if she would endorse any choice that has Shepard die for, just as I suspect that the rest of the companions would not exactly root for the option that has Shepard commit suicide either.

[JasonShepard]

To be fair, Shepard isn't expected to survive any of the three options. He/she just barely pulls through in high-EMS Destroy (and arguably survives Control - but lets not go there).

 

I don't think either the Geth nor EDI would support Destroy. Not when "assume Control, fly Reapers into the Sun" is a logical alternative. The Geth have always put their own self-preservation instincts first, even with Legion (see how he responds if you try to let the Geth die). I can't blame them, either. They signed up to fight for a future where they could be both free and alive - working with the Reapers only offered short-term survival with no free will. They didn't sign up to be sacrificed.

 

EDI, on the other hand, is very much a supporter of Synthetic-Organic co-operation (it's what she's been doing most of her life, so no surprise there). If you wipe out all synthetic life in the galaxy, that's not possible (Again, see her response if the Geth die at Rannoch).

[themikefest]

That was why the robot was a squadmate, to promote the green ending.

[KaiserShep]

I'm pretty sure EDI was more about the blue ending than anything, something that is emphasized when the Illusive Man insists that she could have destroyed the Eva Core mech, but opted instead to control it, at which point she responds that it was necessary. Of course, there's her narration of the Synthesis epilogue, but I can't imagine anyone else really taking the role for that ending.

[themikefest]

I'm pretty sure EDI was more about the blue ending than anything, something that is emphasized when the Illusive Man insists that she could have destroyed the Eva Core mech, but opted instead to control it, at which point she responds that it was necessary. Of course, there's her narration of the Synthesis epilogue, but I can't imagine anyone else really taking the role for that ending.

There was no reason for the hologram to take control of the platform. It led to nothing. We already had all the information about the device at that time.

[KaiserShep]

EDI did insist that the mech could be useful as a combatant, which it was. I'm a little curious about the hostility toward EDI, since this character has been nothing but immensely helpful for the entirety of the series.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'd be on board for a confectionary ending. The Crucible turns out to be an infinite probability device and turns the reapers into giant danishes.

 

See now this is thinking ahead. There's going to be a food shortage after the war, and this fixes that.

[KaiserShep]

I doubt danishes are dextro-friendly.

[themikefest]

It wasn't useful as a combatant at all. It took away a spot that an ME2 squadmate could've been used for. All the stuff it did could've been done as a hologram. It also was trying to be something it was never going to be. What was really bothersome is the thing asking Shepard about his/her sexual experience. Why does a robot need to know that?

[KaiserShep]

That's kind of like saying a rental car isn't useful because it's not the car you used to own. Lacking [insert name from ME2] doesn't make her useless.

 

What's this about Shepard's sexual preference? I don't recall her ever asking about that. I do recall EDI asking Shepard for advice on account of him/her having firsthand sexual experience.

[SwobyJ]

The Geth are pretty damn Control leaning, yes. Even their cut dialogue "There will be no more compromise with the Old Machines", when taking into a context with their other sentences in that scene, can be taken subjectively to an extent. If they really believed that they/anyone may possibly control the Reapers and the result would be that the Geth get to continue, then yeah, they might choose it. At the same time, the script and story tone seems to suggest to me that they also, finally, wouldn't want to risk something like any interaction with the Reapers that could open them up to more tampering.

 

But I can pretty easily concede that the Geth would at minimum maybe opt for Control. I don't think Synthesis would be picked though. But maybe that 'no more compromise' bit was removed in order to make it more ambiguous. The Geth took Reaper upgrades and kept them before - why not again? Synthesis is literally compromise, but seemingly more on both sides, if taken for what it appears to be.

 

If all Geth have Legion in them, and this Legion was maybe 'taught' to do things like... Destroy the Heretics (then give him the Red Loyalty Lights afterward, haha), then that's a story where I can more easily consider the Geth to choose Destroy over their self preservation at that point. But again, I can concede that they may be Control leaning at least most of the time/choice routes you can take.

 

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EDI though... ehh. I think you can influence her enough that even as a Paragon, it is easy enough to imagine that she'd stick to the plan. I think for EDI, it is the culmination of a lot of dialogue - stuff directly with her, but also with the team, and things she may overhear.

 

She might start off ME3 in a position where Assuming Control of mechanisms is her way to improve herself and her capabilities - but influence around her, specifically with Shepard (but Joker himself is also very 'kill those Reapers' in mentality no matter what anyway), can take her in whatever other direction. And then a closer relationship with Joker could conceivably convince her to opt for Synthesis. Or advising her to stick to the mission, but then Shepard can waffle on what exactly 'mission' can mean.

 

Overall, I do think its a Destroy story. Overall. But ammo is given to both 'sides', and yeah, Synthesis may complicate things further. But I do think there is a more clear line that the characters are written to follow. ME2 was 'Fight FOR the LOST' (aka Destroy the Base, it was an Abomination towards the Lost) in tone (even if it can be subjectively taken), ME3 was 'TAKE BACK Earth' (which seems to more imply a conquest rather than compromise of any sort).

 

This doesn't mean Control or Synthesis cannot be taken. The script allows and supports it in various ways. Certain characters and factions will lean more away from a Destroy mentality, even as they see it necessary to be part of throughout the war. It is a war - you do fight or die in battle, after all. But yeah, synthetic characters will almost always have an openness towards other options, due to more logical mindsets that accept the ideas of 'changed code'.

 

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To clarify my intent with these posts, I do come from two ideas:

1)The 'Mass Effect Shepard Trilogy' is, whatever we choose, more about Destroying and Fighting things, than anything else, even when the story can lean the other way sometimes (like in ME2) in some ways. That Shepard, regardless of what we choose, is meant to be a Destroyer in some regard. And that the character stories and positions generally reflect that.

2)That this isn't how Mass Effect will always be. Keep in mind that I'm actually quite the Paragon. I could have picked Control. I DID first pick Synthesis. In fact, I actually conceive (so far) the next protagonist to be more about Saving things and Struggling against things/concepts, then the more direct Shepard story. That the position of what I consider 'base narrative' will actually change. I just don't think that's what the original trilogy is as much about.

So generally, yeah, I think Bioware puts us into a position where every character on 'our side' will at least seriously consider something like Destroy. They are given tons of reason to. But I also think that something like Control is made possible and available - especially to synthetic characters and factions.

[themikefest]

That's kind of like saying a rental car isn't useful because it's not the car you used to own. Lacking [insert name from ME2] doesn't make her useless.

 

What's this about Shepard's sexual preference? I don't recall her ever asking about that. I do recall EDI asking Shepard for advice on account of him/her having firsthand sexual experience.

I never said anything about sexual preference. Still, why would a robot ask about that?

[KaiserShep]

Woops. Misread, sorry. lol I'm useless in the AM.

 

In any case, I didn't really give much thought into EDI's inquiries, but I imagine she would be curious about just about every facet of human/organic life, and why not? She's not a refrigerator.