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[SwobyJ]

I never said anything about sexual preference. Still, why would a robot ask about that?

 

Either:

 

a)She is trying to emulate humanity as much as possible (without giving up her synthetic existence though). While she may not directly feel sexual pleasure and companionship, she could possibly direct her code towards focusing on the closest thing to it. And why? Because a big part of her is that she is curious, and doesn't just develop preferences, but actively attempts to discover what those preferences may be.

Talking about sex (aside from the geeky '*snort* hehe sex bot' aspect) with her is less about 'sex', and more about encouraging an AI to explore other experiences that are not part of her original design(s).

 

b)This ME3 is all just a dream mind**** and 'EDI' here is just a reflection/projection of 'Shepard' speculating on his own views on sexuality and whether it is appropriate for himself because he really is just a cyborg/Reaperthing that we'll witness and maybe play as in the next game.

 

lol . Nevermind.

[KaiserShep]

I guess the robot-trying-to-be-people trope irritates some folks. Personally, I rather like it. Data was my absolute favorite character in Star Trek: TNG.

[SwobyJ]

I guess the robot-trying-to-be-people trope irritates some folks. Personally, I rather like it. Data was my absolute favorite character in Star Trek: TNG.

 

I don't mind people even hating it. It means at least some other people are going for a variety of choices, that I otherwise couldn't honestly make unless deliberately RPing. I have certain beliefs about AI and stories about them that cause me to just.. embrace characters like EDI (sans cameltoe wtf - I replace the outfit asap). But others rejecting her, even as the story somewhat pushes her character-ness (as opposed to use as a tool, which ME2 had more of a balance about) on the player, is a good thing. I want the choice to exist and for Bioware to be aware that people want to go that way.

 

Ultimately, machines really are machines. (I just like stories that acknowledge that organisms are nature's machines as well, and that the universe itself may be a 'machine' beyond any of our current comprehensions - so Mass Effect fulfills that opinion too)

[Iakus]

I guess the robot-trying-to-be-people trope irritates some folks. Personally, I rather like it. Data was my absolute favorite character in Star Trek: TNG.

 

I found synthetics more interesting when they understand and accept that they are not organic, and while there will always be fundamental differences, we can still understand and accept each other. 

 

Differences are okay. Differences are aceptable.  We don't all have to be the same.  At least, that used to be the case.

 

It's cool when EDI wants to understand humanity.  Not so much when she wants to be human.

 

Legion was far more intersting when it was trying to explain how the geth are different from single-minded organics, but never claimed one was superior to the other.  Became a Pinocchio ripoff when "Reaper code!  Om nom nom!" happens. 

[SwobyJ]

I think ME3 would have been better served with more examples of AIs still wishing to stay as separate AIs instead of 'more human/organic'.

 

As it is, it seemed forced without counterexamples. I didn't see as many organics trying to be like synthetics. Why do I have to keep seeing every synthetic in ME3 trying, at some point, to be more like organics?

 

I get that synthetics can have a different mindset when networked and go with the crowd of programs more (if enough Geth want to change, pretty much all of them will do it), but still.

 

I'm fine with some synthetics wanting to be more organic though. I'm fine with organics wanting to be more synthetic. Cool. That move in the story was something I even anticipated to a degree. But ME3 seemed to push it more than I thought it should. There still should have been AI that even by the end, never develops any interest in even interaction with organics.

 

ME3 may have a lot of the Blue around, sure, but when it came to the synthetic life thing, so much seemed to be more about the Green or Red. No choice to go 'Hey, you synthetics be you, and we organics be we, and we be good, yes?"

 

I do think that should have been one of the ways to go. Instead, we're told that organics and synthetics cannot do their own thing at all, because:

-synthetics will be used as tools if they are still separate from organics, or else they are destroyed by them, or retaliate by destroying organics

-organics will integrate more synthetics into themselves so a merge will happen at some point anyway

-synthetics will become more organic-ish at some point anyway

 

Well I personally don't see that as utterly inevitable. And I would have liked to see examples that allowed this concept, like ME2 did.

 

Even Control went 'okay synthetics can be separate and do their own thing, even in peace with organics, but it requires a Shepard entity aka an organic-ish thought pattern to guide it'. No. I think synthetics can do this on their own, with our cooperation.

Again with the 'integration' agenda. One I actually support in some ways over separation. But I don't want to feel 'forced' into it

 

 

This is partially why I switched from Synthesis to Destroy. Control wasn't an option I could support. Synthesis fit some of my ideals, but not in the way I wanted it to.

 

If there was an actual option to, say, hand the reigns of the Reapers over to a committed-to-peace Geth (may require a differently written Rannoch arc), I might have gone for it. At least synthetics would still do their own thing, but just in cooperation and thankfulness towards organics and Shepard. It would carry its appropriate form of risk (Blue always has that though), but if I already made 'friends' with Geth, that shouldn't have been a problem.

[KaiserShep]

Became a Pinocchio ripoff when "Reaper code!  Om nom nom!" happens. 

I always thought that this comparison would be more apt if Pinnochio's main reason for becoming a real boy was to avoid Mangiafuoco from turning him into firewood, but we know that this isn't the case. Ultimately, any other reasons other than survival on Legion/Geth VI's part for getting the code are irrelevant, because without it, they're going to die.

[Iakus]

I always thought that this comparison would be more apt if Pinnochio's main reason for becoming a real boy was to avoid Mangiafuoco from turning him into firewood, but we know that this isn't the case. Ultimately, any other reasons other than survival on Legion/Geth VI's part for getting the code are irrelevant, because without it, they're going to die.

Given Legion's near-constant deceptive attitude for the entire Rannoch arc, I'd say we don't know what the reason is, but is liekly less than pure.

 

Particularly given his whole "Geth build their own future" outlook in ME2

[KaiserShep]

In Legion's position, I'd be inclined to behave the same way, because everyone is trying to either kill the geth or subjugate them. Whatever they wanted in ME2 flew out the window when the quarians came close to wiping them out. During the geth server mission, Legion tells you outright that the quarians would not have been on board if they knew that Legion intended to take some programs out with it, so it kept the information to itself. Could you blame it? I wouldn't tell anyone either.

[Reorte]

I found synthetics more interesting when they understand and accept that they are not organic, and while there will always be fundamental differences, we can still understand and accept each other. 
 
Differences are okay. Differences are aceptable.  We don't all have to be the same.  At least, that used to be the case.
 
It's cool when EDI wants to understand humanity.  Not so much when she wants to be human.
 
Legion was far more intersting when it was trying to explain how the geth are different from single-minded organics, but never claimed one was superior to the other.  Became a Pinocchio ripoff when "Reaper code!  Om nom nom!" happens.

Definitely. The geth in ME2 were one of the few examples of a seemingly plausible alien intelligence that was also completely different to our own. All too often "alien" is written as "do random stuff and call it different and alien", which wasn't the case with the geth.

I found the "becoming more human-like is an improvement and we're so certain of that we don't even question it" aspect of ME3 somewhat arrogant and offensive.

[Raizo]

EDI did insist that the mech could be useful as a combatant, which it was. I'm a little curious about the hostility toward EDI, since this character has been nothing but immensely helpful for the entirety of the series.

 

EDI has always been one of my favourite squad mates to interact with in ME3 and I have always had a hard time understanding where all the fanboy hate comes from. I always assumed that it was the fact that she blatantly over sexualised and the fact that her romance with Joker crosses some arbitrary line where gamers no longer feel 100% comfortable.



 

I found synthetics more interesting when they understand and accept that they are not organic, and while there will always be fundamental differences, we can still understand and accept each other. 
 
Differences are okay. Differences are aceptable.  We don't all have to be the same.  At least, that used to be the case.
 
It's cool when EDI wants to understand humanity.  Not so much when she wants to be human.
 
Legion was far more intersting when it was trying to explain how the geth are different from single-minded organics, but never claimed one was superior to the other.  Became a Pinocchio ripoff when "Reaper code!  Om nom nom!" happens.

Well I suppose this answers my question from above. When you phrase it like that I have to agree with you.

[SwobyJ]

Pretty much my only issue with EDI was the cameltoe, and maybe she was at least a bit too oversexualized otherwise. I really really liked some of the concept are they released, in comparison.

[Han Shot First]

I guess the robot-trying-to-be-people trope irritates some folks. Personally, I rather like it. Data was my absolute favorite character in Star Trek: TNG.

 

I thought it worked with EDI as she was programmed to identify with humans from the start, and always had some 'human' traits. (like a sense of humor) The development of her personality in ME3 seemed to be on the trajectory the character had always been on. The only complaint I had about EDI in ME3 was the over-sexualized FemBot platform, now with cameltoe™ .

 

On the other hand I thought it didn't work as well with the Geth, who were much more alien than EDI ever was. The desire to mimic organics or the view that they weren't truly 'alive' without the Reaper upgrades seemed a departure from their portrayal in Mass Effect 2.

[KaiserShep]

I never knew about that cameltoe thing until coming to BSN, but I guess that's because I only ever used either the black outfit or the alternate appearance in the DLC.