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[AlanC9]

probably. your humor heuristics still lack an expert system.

Well, if this was a post-Synthesis world, I could just upgrade.

[Iakus]

Well, if this was a post-Synthesis world, I could just upgrade.

Synthesis drivers no longer supported

[CommanderShwan]

so I made the Quarians & Geth hold hands for no reason, since Geth would be considered goners as well in the end?

 

Maybe if Legion didn't go back on his word and upload the reaper tech his species would still be alive. Since pretty much all known synthetic "life" had reaper dabbling at that point, it would stand to reason starchild was right in saying that the weapon that was tasked to kill all reapers wouldn't discriminate. Some quotes from Mr. Legion:

 

"Your species was offered everything Geth aspire to. True unity, understanding, transcendence. You rejected it. You even refused the possibility of using the old machines' gifts to achieve it on your species' own terms. You are more like us than we thought."

 

"Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives"

 

"The old Machines offered to give us our future. The Geth will achieve their own future"

 

That's pretty big talk coming from the person/people/platform who uploaded reaper code to his entire species because they thought they could control and harness it's power to achieve sentience. For every action there is a consequence you know, and taking the chance to be mistaken for a reaper right before a big ole anti-reaper gun was about to be fired was a risk that didn't pay off for Legion, or his kind. But hey, they probably really enjoyed that engineered sentience right before they all got fried.

 

It does beg some questions. 1) If Legion couldn't come to a consensus on blowing up other Geth and needed Shep's help, how in the heck was he so easily able to make a huge decision like using reaper code? 2) Did the Reapers plan the whole ordeal out and/or was Legion indoctrinated? If they knew their plan wasn't going to work would they dangle that code in front of Legion and the Geth to force one last rift between the alliance and them?

[SporkFu]

Maybe if Legion didn't go back on his word and upload the reaper tech his species would still be alive. Since pretty much all known synthetic "life" had reaper dabbling at that point, it would stand to reason starchild was right in saying that the weapon that was tasked to kill all reapers wouldn't discriminate. Some quotes from Mr. Legion:

 

"Your species was offered everything Geth aspire to. True unity, understanding, transcendence. You rejected it. You even refused the possibility of using the old machines' gifts to achieve it on your species' own terms. You are more like us than we thought."

 

"Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives"

 

"The old Machines offered to give us our future. The Geth will achieve their own future"

 

That's pretty big talk coming from the person/people/platform who uploaded reaper code to his entire species because they thought they could control and harness it's power to achieve sentience. For every action there is a consequence you know, and taking the chance to be mistaken for a reaper right before a big ole anti-reaper gun was about to be fired was a risk that didn't pay off for Legion, or his kind. But hey, they probably really enjoyed that engineered sentience right before they all got fried.

 

It does beg some questions. 1) If Legion couldn't come to a consensus on blowing up other Geth and needed Shep's help, how in the heck was he so easily able to make a huge decision like using reaper code? 2) Did the Reapers plan the whole ordeal out and/or was Legion indoctrinated? If they knew their plan wasn't going to work would they dangle that code in front of Legion and the Geth to force one last rift between the alliance and them?

I dunno, I think if Legion hadn't uploaded the reaper code, the quarians would have wiped out the geth and taken back Rannoch. it's why they initiated the war in the first place, and they didn't know about reaper involvement then. 

[KaiserShep]

It's not certain whether or not synthetics are destroyed for being augmented by reaper code. If Shepard denied the upload , but managed to get the quarians to stand down on account of a bluff, they could still have been wiped out because of reasons.

[Invisible Man]

It's not certain whether or not synthetics are destroyed for being augmented by reaper code. If Shepard denied the upload , but managed to get the quarians to stand down on account of a bluff, they could still have been wiped out because of reasons.

that was my reasoning as well.

[dreamgazer]

It's not certain whether or not synthetics are destroyed for being augmented by reaper code. If Shepard denied the upload , but managed to get the quarians to stand down on account of a bluff, they could still have been wiped out because of reasons.

 

They have fragments of Reaper code in them no matter what, though. 

[CommanderShwan]

If Shepard denied the upload , but managed to get the quarians to stand down on account of a bluff, they could still have been wiped out because of reasons.

 

Or once the Geth found out Commander Shepherd killed Legion and their best shot at sentience they'd continue the attack. 

[Reorte]

They have fragments of Reaper code in them no matter what, though.

So? I've never accepted that the beam can target specific code on any platform.

[dreamgazer]

So? I've never accepted that the beam can target specific code on any platform.

 

It lacks the ability to differentiate between those types of technology signatures.  

 

In a universe where Saren and Sovereign are magically linked at the end of ME1 and the essence of organics are "absorbed" and built into baby Reapers at the end of ME2, that works more than well-enough for me. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Yeah, the "targets Reaper-tech" explanation doesn't quite work for me. It would be like a fire burning down a library, but only incinerating books of a certain genre while leaving others intact.

 

 

I see it (High-EMS Destroy) as a "Reset to Factory Defaults"-wave. Synthetics "die" by going back to 0 (memory). All tech is effected, but explains why things like ships and such can still be operational again while Reaper dreadnoughts cannot be.

[dreamgazer]

 Yeah, the "targets Reaper-tech" explanation doesn't quite work for me. It would be like a fire burning down a library, but only incinerating books of a certain genre while leaving others intact.

 

Only it's obvious that the wave isn't like fire, unless it's entirely erratic like in low-EMS.  

 

It's closer to an overload surge that can be refined down to Reaper signatures at the highest level. We're able to detect and differentiate between tech signals today, after all.

[CommanderShwan]

So? I've never accepted that the beam can target specific code on any platform.

 

"The powerful array salvaged from the Hercules system can be used for something much more ambitious: The Crucible tunes into the mass relays' command switches. Installing the Interferometric array into the Crucible's systems results in a real-time map of the entire galaxy, including the position of each and every reaper in the milky way"

 

So how is it tracking every reaper in the milky way by tracking command switches? Maybe because the reapers have to emit some kind of command signal for those switches. So if Geth download the reaper code is it so hard to believe that the broadcast signals the Geth now also emit would look at least remotely similar? Similar enough so that when a huge "destroy all Reaper" laser is sent through the mass relay system, it also targets Geth?

[Iakus]

They have fragments of Reaper code in them no matter what, though. 

Do the legal AI the Council permits for research purposes have Reaper code?

 

How about the Virtual Aliens?

[dreamgazer]

Do the legal AI the Council permits for research purposes have Reaper code?

 

How about the Virtual Aliens?

 

Do you have confirmation that those are gone?

[AlanC9]

Not until the sequel, if then.

[Iakus]

Do you have confirmation that those are gone?

 

"The Crucible will not discriminate.  All synthetic life will be targeted"

 

An lo and behold, EDI and the geth are no more.

 

Unless Bioware outright deceived us with the ending, I have no reason to believe otherwise with their fate.    Nowhere are we told "All synthetic life who chose to assimilate our code into themselves will be destroyed.

 

So yeah, I think all synthetic life dies in an attempt to punish the player.

[dreamgazer]

"The Crucible will not discriminate.  All synthetic life will be targeted"

 

An lo and behold, EDI and the geth are no more.

 

Unless Bioware outright deceived us with the ending, I have no reason to believe otherwise with their fate.    Nowhere are we told "All synthetic life who chose to assimilate our code into themselves will be destroyed.

 

So yeah, I think all synthetic life dies in an attempt to punish the player.

 

Targeted, not eliminated. It's up to the refinement of the blast whether it was effective or not, and the ending only confirms that Reaper-encoded AI were wiped out. 

 

"Technology you rely on will be affected, but those who survive should have little difficulty repairing the damage."

[Iakus]

Targeted, not eliminated. It's up to the refinement of the blast whether it was effective or not, and the ending only confirms that Reaper-encoded AI were wiped out. 

 

"Technology you rely on will be affected, but those who survive should have little difficulty repairing the damage."

 

Yes, the game confirms that all synthetic life Shepard encountered in ME3 is destroyed, and fails to confirm that any others survived.

 

The message is pretty clear.  Especially since the Catalyst never mentions Reaper code.  Ever.  It's entirely a fan-made excuse.  As valid as IT

[dreamgazer]

yes, teh game confirms that all synthetic life Shepard encountered in ME3 is destroyed, and fails to confirm that any others survived.

 

The message is pretty clear.  Especially since the Catalyst never mentions Reaper code.  Ever.  It's entirely a fan-made excuse.  As valid as IT

 

No reason for the Catalyst to mention Reaper technology, really.  It's what the device is designed to target in the first place. 

 

And it's also what makes sense with the visuals we're given, along with the lack of impact in other areas of the universe.

 

Reapers + Geth + EDI: all containing Reaper technology, the only confirmed "fatalities" from the wave. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

True, but the trick would be to anticipate those kinds of problems and prevent them preemptively. Humans can spend years, even lifetimes trying (and failing) to do what an AI could do in seconds. How long do we avoid that out of fear of potential conflict?

 

I wouldn't think they'd be that much different than the ones who made them. 

 

Let's see. Preserve the environment by any means necessary. Sees jar of preserves..... Sees environment..... Solution. Makes huge jars of "Environment Preserves". Then when new life springs forth waits for a new ecosystem to establish then harvests that. The cycle cannot be broken.

[Iakus]

No reason for the Catalyst to mention Reaper technology, really.  It's what the device is designed to target in the first place. 

 

And it's also what makes sense with the visuals we're given, along with the lack of impact in other areas of the universe.

 

Reapers + Geth + EDI: all based on Reaper technology, the only confirmed "fatalities" from the wave. 

 

No it was meant to be used against Reapers.  it's designed to target synthetic life.  Or at the very least, it can't be refined enough to do just that, regardless of EMS score.

 

What impact are you talking about?  Humans getting fried?  Buildings destroyed?  That tells me nothing about the state of other synthetics

 

They're also all "synthetic life"

[Reorte]

It lacks the ability to differentiate between those types of technology signatures.

Which means it should destroy a lot more than it does.

To destroy anything with Reaper code it would have to log on to every computer system (most if not all of which will be completely alien to it) and be able to completely analyse everything running on it (and possibly just stored and not actually running). The only slightly feasible route would be if every bit of code the Reapers write, including their own, has a destruct on command ability that can be externally triggered, but then there would be no reason for anything else to get damaged. Moving beyond that to "all AI" is about as plausible as Synthesis.

I can just about accept that there could be something in certain bits of Reaper hardware that could be exploited.
 

In a universe where Saren and Sovereign are magically linked at the end of ME1 and the essence of organics are "absorbed" and built into baby Reapers at the end of ME2, that works more than well-enough for me.

Those don't work well enough for me either.

[Reorte]

Yes, the game confirms that all synthetic life Shepard encountered in ME3 is destroyed, and fails to confirm that any others survived.

It doesn't confirm any survived but EDI is the only one with 100% proof is dead. The rest is strongly implied, especially in meta-context (i.e. no geth slides).

[Iakus]

It doesn't confirm any survived but EDI is the only one with 100% proof is dead. The rest is strongly implied, especially in meta-context (i.e. no geth slides).

Quarians and geth dead shows a completely abandoned Rannoch