Hey, any update on whether companions and the world around us will react to us using Blood Magic? It was kind of strange in DA2 when I used blood magic and no one cared, especially when I was able to denounce it publicly! 
EDIT: Do we even have blood magic this time round?
I am a tad sad it's gone though, hopefully the necromancy skill tree is awesome.
I agree! Magic is a huge part of the game but I think I understand the difficulty it entails if you want the world around you to react to what you do. I think the game could become radically different just because of who you are so perhaps the devs thought (like you said) if they can't do it right with the impact that it deserves they should simply skip out on it.
While it's upsetting, I can respect that decision and hope that in the next iteration of the game they bring it back. 
It's one way to avoid Templars standing around while you cast blood magic in front of them and then telling you how they are hunting blood mages.
It's one way to avoid Templars standing around while you cast blood magic in front of them and then telling you how they are hunting blood mages.
That's what got me about DA2 as well, only I do see the logic in it. If the PC was a mage and every NPC reacted accordingly (aka attacked you or tried to arrest you), you'd be forced to fight an endless stream of Templars around every corner (especially pre-Arishok before you gain some importance in Kirkwall) and that just gets boring.
That's what got me about DA2 as well, only I do see the logic in it. If the PC was a mage and every NPC reacted accordingly (aka attacked you or tried to arrest you), you'd be forced to fight an endless stream of Templars around every corner (especially pre-Arishok before you gain some importance in Kirkwall) and that just gets boring.
I'd help Tyrohne destroy the templar order from the inside out, then we would kick the Qunari out and take over Kirkwall with other blood mages, like she wanted. Still a champion, still high status with slaves and such, only different side. Would be a lot more interesting game imo.
The necromancer class may have elements of blood magic and since we don't know what a rift mage does, it may also include blood magic elements. It has been said that health potions and healing magic will be limited and health doesn't regenerate after battle so maybe Bioware thought it wouldn't fit since it costs health to use blood magic. Although some would argue that it would make the game alot more challenging (at least for blood mages).
Devs took the blood magic away since they have already set the pc on the chantry side, you can´t serve the chantry if you are a blood mage it seems. And most of the followers are chantry agents and enforcers so there would be too much conflicts.
I'd rather just a reaction to magic in general.
Yeah blood magic is scary to everyone in general especially to other mages because of what it entails. But if I am a "layman" like a traditional warrior or cutpurse and I see some dude bringing fireballs down from the sky I'd still be scared as hell or extremely interested in what I was seeing.
They did not set the PC on the Chantry side.Devs took the blood magic away since they have already set the pc on the chantry side, you can´t serve the chantry if you are a blood mage it seems. And most of the followers are chantry agents and enforcers so there would be too much conflicts.
The necromancer class may have elements of blood magic and since we don't know what a rift mage does, it may also include blood magic elements. It has been said that health potions and healing magic will be limited and health doesn't regenerate after battle so maybe Bioware thought it wouldn't fit since it costs health to use blood magic. Although some would argue that it would make the game alot more challenging (at least for blood mages).
They did not set the PC on the Chantry side.
Define "pro-Chantry." Yes, it is being created at the Divine's request. Who is the same Divine that also requested that the Mages be allowed to leave the circle system. And the task was to stop the veil tears - not convert the masses to the One True Faith. You are playing with a Qunari and a dwarf as companions, after all, both of which are not Andrastian.I've read those comments from devs but I feel it is just a smoke screen. Practically everyone who is anything in IQ's team is a chantry supporter. And pc is going to run a group originally connected to chantry. Not to mention one of the devs said that iq-team is a plan B for the divine. Which was entrusted to cassandra to execute. So no, I don't believe that.
The problem with claiming that divine orchestrated group is not part of the chantry is like claiming that a organization founded by the pope is not roman catholic because the new pope is a reformer. Such claim just doesn't fly. You have to remember that any person who is a head of a world wide religious organization is a zealot in any meter. Sure the divine is supposed to be a reformer but you can't possible belive that she would do anything to undermine chantrys power or position. And neither would her henchmen.Define "pro-Chantry." Yes, it is being created at the Divine's request. Who is the same Divine that also requested that the Mages be allowed to leave the circle system. And the task was to stop the veil tears - not convert the masses to the One True Faith. You are playing with a Qunari and a dwarf as companions, after all, both of which are not Andrastian.
If your problem with the Chantry is being pro-Templar, that is resolved. If your problem with the Chantry is being pro-religion, it has take a backseat.
Being the Inquisitor doesn't make you pro-Chantry anymore than being the Warden makes you pro-Grey Wardens. They are the means to your end, not your defining characteristic.
That isn't true. During many times of the Middle Ages, the Pope was a political appointment, shared by kings. Someone can be a member of a religion without being a zealot. Wynne has a faith so strong that she attracted a spirit which embodies the very virtue, but she questioned the divinity of Andraste, the order of the Chantry-imposed Circle and the story the Chantry teaches as truth in regards to the source of the Taint.The problem with claiming that divine orchestrated group is not part of the chantry is like claiming that a organization founded by the pope is not roman catholic because the new pope is a reformer. Such claim just doesn't fly. You have to remember that any person who is a head of a world wide religious organization is a zealot in any meter. Sure the divine is supposed to be a reformer but you can't possible belive that she would do anything to undermine chantrys power or position. And neither would her henchmen.
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I agree! Magic is a huge part of the game but I think I understand the difficulty it entails if you want the world around you to react to what you do. I think the game could become radically different just because of who you are so perhaps the devs thought (like you said) if they can't do it right with the impact that it deserves they should simply skip out on it.
While it's upsetting, I can respect that decision and hope that in the next iteration of the game they bring it back.
I actually started arguing this point with Origins and kept badgering them about it. If you want to do blood magic "right" given how it's portrayed in the game WORLD then taking the Blood Mage specialty should radically change your entire game. So you'd basically be making two games--the Blood Mage game and the Everyone Else game. This would put WAY too much mechanical emphasis on that ONE specialty. It would be the equivalent of having a game where you have classes called "everyman" and "titanus, destroyer of worlds". You just can't build a balanced game that way.
I am HOPING that they did it so that you can choose to use Blood Magic as a DECISION POINT via conversation and, yes, it has big consequences. THAT would be good design, particularly if they do those decision points in such a way that other classes/races/whatever have similarly large decision breakdowns. This would enable them to keep Blood Magic as something the PC has access to without the huge specialty imbalance. And without just making NPC's oblivious.
I actually started arguing this point with Origins and kept badgering them about it. If you want to do blood magic "right" given how it's portrayed in the game WORLD then taking the Blood Mage specialty should radically change your entire game. So you'd basically be making two games--the Blood Mage game and the Everyone Else game. This would put WAY too much mechanical emphasis on that ONE specialty. It would be the equivalent of having a game where you have classes called "everyman" and "titanus, destroyer of worlds". You just can't build a balanced game that way.
I am HOPING that they did it so that you can choose to use Blood Magic as a DECISION POINT via conversation and, yes, it has big consequences. THAT would be good design, particularly if they do those decision points in such a way that other classes/races/whatever have similarly large decision breakdowns. This would enable them to keep Blood Magic as something the PC has access to without the huge specialty imbalance. And without just making NPC's oblivious.
DA's always been a little weak on this kind of thing. Morrigan might as well have been wearing an "APOSTATE!" sign around her neck, and nobody ever reacts to her. Mage Hawke too.
Well, the giant sticks attached to people's backs would seem to indicate something.
DA's always been a little weak on this kind of thing. Morrigan might as well have been wearing an "APOSTATE!" sign around her neck, and nobody ever reacts to her. Mage Hawke too.
And now a game mechanic stops you from cutting your hand and using the blood for power. Lame...
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