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[metawanderer]

I only play Bioware games on PC.  I have a serious issue with how single player dlc has to be purchased with Bioware points. I have as of yet not purchased many of ME3's single player dlc for the following reasons.

1.  Too many steps to activiate the product.  If I purchase from Origin or Amazon, I have to purchase from there, then I have to go to Bioware's website, activate the code for the point amount, then  activate the dlc from there.  Way  too many steeps needed.  All I should have to do is purchase the dlc and boom, have the dlc downloaded, not having to go to another website after purchasing the dlc just so I can activate the drm.

 

2.  This is an issue that no wants to admit to, but Bioware points never go on sale on either Bioware's website or Origin.  I contact Origin/EA and they say it is Bioware's choice whether or not to have a sale.  I  Contact Bioware, they say it is EA's choice whether or not to have a sale.  Well which is it and whose responsibility is it?  New games such as Battlefield 4 and TitanFall have sales all the time for their dlc/season passes but Bioware has yet to have a sale on their dlc for PC.  Even a 25% sale is better than nothing.  No way am I purchasing $40 of dlc that is 1-2 yrs old.  In addition, consoles have sales all the time for Mass Effect 3 single player dlc yet Bioware and EA never have sales.  I would assume that if Bioware & EA wants to have a strong PC prescence that they would have sales that match or beat what is on sale on consoles, not the other way around.  I am also assuming that the point system is to be blamed as to why PC sales have never happened for dlc.

 

3.  Microsoft has discontinued the usage of their point system.  How long will Bioware stick to a model that has been outdatted for at least 4-5 years.  What is so wrong about using real currency to purchase single player dlc?  I can understand using points for the multiplayer but why combine a multiplayer currency for single player dlc?  It does not make sense. 

 

Please Bioware, get rid of your point system for PC users who wish to purchase single player dlc. 

[AlanC9]

2.  This is an issue that no wants to admit to, but Bioware points never go on sale on either Bioware's website or Origin.  I contact Origin/EA and they say it is Bioware's choice whether or not to have a sale.  I  Contact Bioware, they say it is EA's choice whether or not to have a sale.  Well which is it and whose responsibility is it? 

There's no difference between Bioware and EA.

[AlanC9]

I believe he's talking about buying the Bio points themselves.

[metawanderer]

Couldn't you buy ME3 DLC directly through Origin?

A few years back when I purchased Mass Effect 2 dlc, I purchased thru Origin and then had to activate it thru the Bioware website.  I can buy Bioware points to purchase Mass Effect 3  single player dlc thru Origin but this brings it back to one my big problems, the  dlc is never on discount compared to consoles even though the single player dlc is around 1-2 yrs old.  Most games on Origin have discounts for their dlc or price drops whenever dlc is over a year old, Bioware does not.  This frustrates me.

[AlanC9]

How DLC worked before Origin is irrelevant, since future Bio games will use Origin.

And Bio points themselves have nothing whatsoever to do with discounts. Bio could discount the points or change the point costs of the DLCs in exactly the same way as they could change a cash price. The reason there aren't any sales is simply that Bio doesn't want to have any sales.

[metawanderer]

How DLC worked before Origin is irrelevant, since future Bio games will use Origin.

And Bio points themselves have nothing whatsoever to do with discounts. Bio could discount the points or change the point costs of the DLCs in exactly the same way as they could change a cash price. The reason there aren't any sales is simply that Bio doesn't want to have any sale.

If that is the case, why have sales on consoles yet ignore PC gamers.  I realize PC gamers are a small minority compared to consoles but a small sale would not hurt their profit margins in any way since the dlc is not current anymore as they are focused on future Mass Effect and DA3

 

I am assuming that Xbox live and PSN takes a small cut for purchases made and I am also assuming that purchases made from Origin takes no cut since according to your words Bioware is EA.  A 30% off Citadel or Omega on Origin would still be more profitable for Bioware than a 30% off the same dlc if it was from Xbox live or PSN since Microsoft and Sony take a 10-15% cut from all purchases. 

[Dale]

Mega-ditto!   Though I can see acquiring items in a game, the POINT system is somewhat ridiculous.  Yes, when developers force me into a corner with such nonsense, I fight back with a cheat module -- using it very conservatively.   Take the Splinter Cell series.  Sam does NOT have to gain points to shoot his weapon better -- he's already a skilled veteran.   Let's get into the story!

 

Also, though game stories are a "grey" area -- there is no excuse whatsoever for poor game management.   In specific, menus, options, etc.   The weapon mods in ME1 was extremely kluge to learn.   ME2 was better -- but far from ideal.   Coming back from a mission, you might have 4-5 items to "process".   As you applied one, it blew you out of the menu.    ME3 weapon mods were really kluge also.  A simple checkbox or drag-and-drop would have worked nicely.  I did like the variance bars to show increase-decrease in effectiveness.  The only game that had 100% perfection in menu management IMHEO was the original Deus Ex. 

 

Like you, I like to delve immediately into the game's story -- instead of fiddle-farting running around trying to acquire weapons, ammo, mods, etc.   in ME1 I spent days running around the Citadel upgrading my team's weapons & armor.  I'm playing right now.   The items are so complicated that I have a laptop to my left (running EXCEL spreadsheet) to keep up with all the stuff.   This is insane! 

 

Granted, a special item (found) is cool (like seeing thru walls, smoke, or the dark)  --- but not 30 different ammo & shield mods.

 

-Dale

[AlanC9]

If that is the case, why have sales on consoles yet ignore PC gamers.  I realize PC gamers are a small minority compared to consoles but a small sale would not hurt their profit margins in any way since the dlc is not current anymore as they are focused on future Mass Effect and DA3
 
I am assuming that Xbox live and PSN takes a small cut for purchases made and I am also assuming that purchases made from Origin takes no cut since according to your words Bioware is EA.  A 30% off Citadel or Omega on Origin would still be more profitable for Bioware than a 30% off the same dlc if it was from Xbox live or PSN since Microsoft and Sony take a 10-15% cut from all purchases.

I have no idea why they don't like to have PC DLC sales. Maybe they think that anyone who can afford a gaming PC won't really care about saving $5?

Note that while Bio is wholly owned by EA, there could be some sort of accounting business going on where some of the revenue from Bio games sold on Origin goes to whichever EA division runs Origin. I don't see how this would change decision-making about sales, though. The number of gamers who have the same game on multiple platforms is pretty low, so they aren't going to think much about losing DLC sales to XBL or PSN.

[Reorte]

Can we just drop the points altogether and have "This DLC costs this amount of dollars / pounds / whatever" please?

[metawanderer]

All I want is for PC gamers such as myself to have specials the same as console players.  I am not expecting a 90% discount or anything crazy that could hurt their revenue.  I just want the same discounts that console gamers have experienced with Mass Effect 3 single player dlc.  The silence from Bioware/EA/Origin is what frustrates me the most.  Even if a sale was never to occur, I just want Bioware to acknowledge the issue I and other PC gamers have with pricing in regards to Bioware points.

[Reorte]

If there's a sale I might even buy Omega, as it is it's the one ME3 DLC I don't have.

[TrueIceD]

Same, I'm _not_ going to pay $40 for dlcs while base game price is $4 ATM. To add more - no fixes for ME3 dlcs - no ME4, 5 or 6 purchases from me.

[Sterio]

Same, I'm _not_ going to pay $40 for dlcs while base game price is $4 ATM. To add more - no fixes for ME3 dlcs - no ME4, 5 or 6 purchases from me.

I came by recently to see if anything has changed with their DLC. I'm like you. I've bought what I can through specials, like the ME3 Collector's Edition Upgrade, which gave me From Ashes. It was on sale for 50% some time ago, but because Origin doesn't seem to have control of the other DLC, it stays at a price that I believe is too high for what I'm getting out of it. 

 

I'll still buy ME4 as long as it's rated well. Because $60 for ~35 hours of quality play is a fine trade ($6 or $20 today). $15 for 4 hours isn't. So if they want a bump the earnings for this quarter, lower the price. Because I can't imagine many normally priced DLC purchases are happening today.

[fragnem]

As another point, I think ME3's DLC prices are particularly egregious considering how disappointing the ending was to a lot of fans, and how the DLC soothes over a lot of those glaring issues.  I know there was the free extended ending, but Leviathan and Citadel help to end the series on a strong note.

 

I want to pay for this DLC, but Bioware must think I'm stupid if they think I'm okay paying $30+ for DLC for a game released in 2012 that itself can be bought for $5-10

[Onox]

Hi,

 

Agreed. I am currently playing ME:1, great game, but I don't own ME:2 or ME:3 yet, and I'd really would like to be able to buy the DLCs directly in Steam or Origin, and in a complete package, instead of having to buy Bioware points. The current system is very annoying, and I'll be honest, I too find the price of the DLCs high compared to the prices of the base games. I am going to wait and see if Bioware does something about this before I buy ME:2 or ME:3.

[EpicU Sheppard]

Yes, however, the staff at EA or BioWare do not respond, so I don't know why somebody made the Feedback & Suggestions area.

I'd rather buy the DLC on Steam than on Origin. EA is so behind the times.

[Kantr]

Removing Bioware points would be the best thing that they have ever done.

[EpicU Sheppard]

BioWare points are outdated, it's time for a new system, Steam credits! Oh wait, we already have that... Oh well, let's all not log into Origin and teach EA to release all their crappy games on Steam.

And Wii U too, just so us 'second class' gamers can actually buy the DLC. Perhaps if Nintendo agreed to the Origin deal for Wii U, then there'd be a chance for Citadel to come to Wii U. Oh well, it's BioWare's fault anyway.

Nintendo ain't got time for 'dat.

Edit: Count that as, I think, 11 or 12 of them.

[Remix-General Aetius]

+1 signed. Bioware points is a ridiculous concept and quite unnecessary.

[Vantharas]

I can't believe they haven't had a sale on DLC for ME 3 As a PC game all it does is ****** me the hell off. Buncha corporate douche bags sitting on there bags of money, lets blame so and so, No its so and so's fault. And EA wonders why I don't buy *any* of there games. Its because of stupid crap like this. The only reason I bought ME series was because of bioware not EA. 

 

Its completely bias and unfair that they just blame each other for not putting ME 3 DLC on sale for the PC , when my friends got there DLC for half price due to sales on Xbox/PSN. 

[JohnRaynor]

No Bioware points are fine. They are not overpriced and for a single dlc with 3 hours+ gametime you pay only 10 € so np. They are fine let them how they are

[EmbitteredOne]

No Bioware points are fine. They are not overpriced and for a single dlc with 3 hours+ gametime you pay only 10 € so np. They are fine let them how they are

I'm sure if you feel that way, by all means, spend your hard-earned dollars/euros/pounds on what you think is a reasonable value.

Thing is, what one person considers a reasonable value is what another considers utterly asinine.  For example, getting ME3 for $5 during one of Origin's sales is a good example of the former, having to pay up to TEN TIMES that amount if they want all of the single-player DLC for a game that's already been out for well over two years is a shining example of the latter, two of which expand upon the main story of the game rather significantly and arguably should have been incorporated into the main game from the start (IMO).

Bioware's apparently stubborn refusal to let the BW point system die in favor of a more reasonable (there's that word again) method of DLC transaction for PC gamers such as myself is particularly galling, especially as I and other PC owners watch as the very same DLC is put up for sale for much more fortunate X360/PS3 owners, who could purchase these DLCs at 50% off, a rather substantial discount (or in at least one instance for one particular DLC [even if it was not particularly well-received] for PS3 owners, for free...). 

 

Meanwhile, where are the corresponding sales for BW points for PC users?  Oh, that's right...THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY SINCE ME3 WAS RELEASED!  And there has not been one satisfactory explaination as to why EA/Bioware has chosen to remain silent over this particular issue, aside from this one exhange from another PC user and an EA CSR (whose responses were anything but satisfactory, let alone coherent):

 

http://forum.bioware...ale/?p=16157660

 

As it stands, the only community of ME3 players apparently screwed over more over this particular DLC debacle are those unfortunate souls who had the misfortune of puchasing the WiiU version (at least PC gamers still have the OPTION of purchasing Citadel, Omega and Leviathan...)

[EpicU Sheppard]

I'm sure if you feel that way, by all means, spend your hard-earned dollars/euros/pounds on what you think is a reasonable value.

Thing is, what one person considers a reasonable value is what another considers utterly asinine.  For example, getting ME3 for $5 during one of Origin's sales is a good example of the former, having to pay up to TEN TIMES that amount if they want all of the single-player DLC for a game that's already been out for well over two years is a shining example of the latter, two of which expand upon the main story of the game rather significantly and arguably should have been incorporated into the main game from the start (IMO).

Bioware's apparently stubborn refusal to let the BW point system die in favor of a more reasonable (there's that word again) method of DLC transaction for PC gamers such as myself is particularly galling, especially as I and other PC owners watch as the very same DLC is put up for sale for much more fortunate X360/PS3 owners, who could purchase these DLCs at 50% off, a rather substantial discount (or in at least one instance for one particular DLC [even if it was not particularly well-received] for PS3 owners, for free...). 

 

Meanwhile, where are the corresponding sales for BW points for PC users?  Oh, that's right...THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY SINCE ME3 WAS RELEASED!  And there has not been one satisfactory explaination as to why EA/Bioware has chosen to remain silent over this particular issue, aside from this one exhange from another PC user and an EA CSR (whose responses were anything but satisfactory, let alone coherent):

 

http://forum.bioware...ale/?p=16157660

 

As it stands, the only community of ME3 players apparently screwed over more over this particular DLC debacle are those unfortunate souls who had the misfortune of puchasing the WiiU version (at least PC gamers still have the OPTION of purchasing Citadel, Omega and Leviathan...)

Perhaps I should switch over to the PC version, you know, trade in my Wii U Special Edition game and buy the PC one, with all the DLC?

[EmbitteredOne]

Perhaps I should switch over to the PC version, you know, trade in my Wii U Special Edition game and buy the PC one, with all the DLC?

If (and that's a big if...) EA/Bioware ever decide to make an about face regarding their obsolete points system and giving PC owners at least parity when it comes to DLC sales..sure, why not?

 

However, given their track record of customer disservice I don't see that happening any time in the near, distant, or indeed, any future.