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[RedIntifada]

I have been watching a lot of the coverage of E3 and I wanted to say thank you for featuring a female Qunari in your preview video. I was one of the people who was critical of the fact that all the previous previews featured a male protagonist (like the VAST majority of games before it). I am glad to see that Bioware has taken such feedback seriously.

 

Bioware's preview is particularly noticeable given the large number of male protagonist led games this year and in the  context of Ubisofts outrageous comments that they couldn't do a female PC for Assassin's Creed because it would double the number of visual customisations (http://www.smh.com.a...0612-zs4z8.html). How is it that DA:I can customize all its armor for M/F over 4 races and for 9 separate NPC's yet AC can't even provide customization for one female PC?

 

Well done Bioware.

 

 

 

[Orian Tabris]

What? No picture of this female qunari? I am disappoint.

[Eveangaline]

What? No picture of this female qunari? I am disappoint.

 

Here's the demo + interview

[Orian Tabris]

Ah, thanks. =)

[Killdren88]

Damn..Leliana is ice cold

[KC_Prototype]

Damn..Leliana is ice cold

I can't hear you! ICE COLD! She's probably like that because she was hardened in DAO. Maybe she's more gentler if unhardened. 

[Killdren88]

I can't hear you! ICE COLD! She's probably like that because she was hardened in DAO. Maybe she's more gentler if unhardened. 

 

I'm hoping it's because since it is mentioned the Warden is missing and if you romanced her or are good friends, she is going full beast mode to find them.

[Blue Gloves]

 

 

 

Thank you Bioware!  She was awesome- and the armor was.. sniff... so perfect... I can't even...

 

[AkiKishi]

I have been watching a lot of the coverage of E3 and I wanted to say thank you for featuring a female Qunari in your preview video. I was one of the people who was critical of the fact that all the previous previews featured a male protagonist (like the VAST majority of games before it). I am glad to see that Bioware has taken such feedback seriously.

 

Bioware's preview is particularly noticeable given the large number of male protagonist led games this year and in the  context of Ubisofts outrageous comments that they couldn't do a female PC for Assassin's Creed because it would double the number of visual customisations (http://www.smh.com.a...0612-zs4z8.html). How is it that DA:I can customize all its armor for M/F over 4 races and for 9 separate NPC's yet AC can't even provide customization for one female PC?

 

Well done Bioware.

 

Just because game A does something does not mean game B can. DA:I has been in production a lot longer than Unity and Unity has a very short and very tight development schedule.

 

The people who are throwing stones at Ubisoft are fogetting that they did Liberation not long ago. 

[leaguer of one]

What? No picture of this female qunari? I am disappoint.

Where have you been? Pics have been up for days. People have fought and argued over them to hell and back already.

[OynxDragon666]

Here's the demo + interview

so this game appears to have copied and combined elements from almost every fantasy world rpg released within the last few yeas, because that continual visible damage system they were describing while fighting that Dragon was first used in Dragon's Dogma.

 

I hope DA:I doesn't get dragged down by all the apparent tactical elements and pre-planning and play like the games it appears to be based off. 

[Kirikou]

I can't hear you! ICE COLD! She's probably like that because she was hardened in DAO. Maybe she's more gentler if unhardened.

She was just tortured. She may have been a bit vengeful.

[Zelanthair]

I can't hear you! ICE COLD! She's probably like that because she was hardened in DAO. Maybe she's more gentler if unhardened. 

 

You also have to keep in mind that DAI occurs 9 years AFTER the conclusion of DA2. That's quite a bit of time for her to be hardened. And she's been working as the right hand to Lady Justinia as a spy. That tends to harden people.

[RedIntifada]

Just because game A does something does not mean game B can. DA:I has been in production a lot longer than Unity and Unity has a very short and very tight development schedule.

 

The people who are throwing stones at Ubisoft are fogetting that they did Liberation not long ago. 

 

Sure, and after the success of DA:O, DA2 was produced extremely quickly and suffered as a result of it. Which is why Bioware learned from this experience and have decided to take their time with DA:I (one of the reasons it looks so awesome).

 

But I also think  Jonathan Cooper's comments are very telling: http://www.gamespot....s/1100-6420392/

It is about priorities and the fact that AC is happy to just go with the flow of just having male protagonists, which is a sad tendency in terms of games, and is particularly sad for a game about the French Revolution, which had women playing a strong leading role (basically historical revisionism).

 

Inclusion takes effort and sadly most games companies are prepared to rely on the fact that female gamers (42% of the gaming population) are so used to having to play a protagonist of the opposite gender that they will play the game regardless of what choices they are offered. The same is true for films, TV series and everything else. It is great to see DA bucking that trend.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I'm hoping it's because since it is mentioned the Warden is missing and if you romanced her or are good friends, she is going full beast mode to find them.

 

But by DA:I the warden will have been missing for like 10 years she was searching for her in DA2 remember

[AkiKishi]

Sure, and after the success of DA:O, DA2 was produced extremely quickly and suffered as a result of it. Which is why Bioware learned from this experience and have decided to take their time with DA:I (one of the reasons it looks so awesome).

 

But I also think  Jonathan Cooper's comments are very telling: http://www.gamespot....s/1100-6420392/

It is about priorities and the fact that AC is happy to just go with the flow of just having male protagonists, which is a sad tendency in terms of games, and is particularly sad for a game about the French Revolution, which had women playing a strong leading role (basically historical revisionism).

 

Inclusion takes effort and sadly most games companies are prepared to rely on the fact that female gamers (42% of the gaming population) are so used to having to play a protagonist of the opposite gender that they will play the game regardless of what choices they are offered. The same is true for films, TV series and everything else. It is great to see DA bucking that trend.

 

They did Liberation and included that character on the PS4 bonus DLC I don't think you can say they are sexist in light of that. I don't know when they started Unity, but Ubisoft have a very tight schedule after the first game in a series. It's like a production line and anything that could interfere with that gets dropped. If they basically cloned the Assassin , then that makes sense it was time related.

 

If you look at Liberation 

 

 

She's a fixed character, not a choice. You can't change her gender or appearance so I can't see how Ubisoft can be called sexist. 

[Gtdef]

 

It is about priorities and the fact that AC is happy to just go with the flow of just having male protagonists, which is a sad tendency in terms of games, and is particularly sad for a game about the French Revolution, which had women playing a strong leading role (basically historical revisionism).

 

 

 

I don't understand why it is sad. Just because there are more female gamers that want to play female characters, does this mean that Ubisoft should change their vision to reflect this even when their protagonists fit a certain profile associated with male behavior? After all they would have to draw inspiration from somewhere. If I was writing a story about intrigue in ancient China I'd certainly pick a female protagonist. If I was to write a story about the crusades I'd pick a male one.

 

Should games be about pleasing the various demographics or about telling a story. Let's start bashing on Harry Potter too cause we don't have the option to make him Harriet Potter.

 

I could argue that a game called Inquisition with a female protagonist is a bit ironic cause the most women are associated with such a word is as witches on the pyre. But of course the game isn't about that so it can make as much sense for a male character as a female.

[Saberchic]

Turning the topic back on track now....

 

I was very pleased that they showed the female inquisutor and was more pleased that she was a qunari. I was wondering how female qunari were going to look in game, and she looks good.

[andar91]

Very happy with the very-visible female representation.

[chaotic]

I don't understand why it is sad. Just because there are more female gamers that want to play female characters, does this mean that Ubisoft should change their vision to reflect this even when their protagonists fit a certain profile associated with male behavior? After all they would have to draw inspiration from somewhere. If I was writing a story about intrigue in ancient China I'd certainly pick a female protagonist. If I was to write a story about the crusades I'd pick a male one.

 

what are you even talking about. there are four characters. four. all males. all white. are you seriously trying to convince me and anyone else that this is acceptable? that just a shred of representation doesn't matter? non-white gamers exist. female gamers exist. they deserve the inclusion, especially if in historical context, their role is vital.

 

don't try to bring HP into this. HP has a varied cast and women play an extremely important role in all of them. harry is a main character, but without women such as hermione, ms weasley, mcgonagall, lily potter and ginny, he would've never achieved what he did. what's more, hp is a book, not a game with character choice.

 

 

now to actually get back on track, i was very pleased with the representation! i loved her armour too. well done to bioware team

[Maclimes]

I'm also pleased that her facial structure appears to be very ... I dunno, "non human".

 

I absolutely hate the trend in fantasy games to make the male members of a race look awesome, and unique, and alien. And then females just look like human women. Or blue human women. Or human women with pointy ears.

 

I was worried based on the concept art of the races from DA2 (Where the male has a thick neck, and wide, low posture, and the horns are integrated into his head. Whereas the female is just an athletic human woman that stuck on some horns as an afterthought). But it looks like they've really taken the concept of Qunari Female and run with it.

 

I'm happy with the way she looks.

[Gtdef]

 

what are you even talking about. there are four characters. four. all males. all white. are you seriously trying to convince me and anyone else that this is acceptable? that just a shred of representation doesn't matter? non-white gamers exist. female gamers exist. they deserve the inclusion, especially if in historical context, their role is vital.

 

don't try to bring HP into this. HP has a varied cast and women play an extremely important role in all of them. harry is a main character, but without women such as hermione, ms weasley, mcgonagall, lily potter and ginny, he would've never achieved what he did. what's more, hp is a book, not a game with character choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And here you prove my point again. Why do they "deserve" inclusion? Also all white? I didn't know that middle eastern is white, or that native americans are white. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Google Desmond Miles, the defacto protagonist of the series, seems white to you? Also AC has very strong female personalities as well. In fact, most of the games that feature a decent storyline with male protagonists have a strong female support cast. We always see females being doctors, archaeologists, researchers.

[AkiKishi]

I read up some more on the next gen stuff they have done in the game and feel inclined to give them a pass. The person who suggested they should delay a month has obviously not looked at the November line-up.

 

I'm not getting involved in the race stuff, speaks for itself.

[Quyk Sylvyr]

I read up some more on the next gen stuff they have done in the game and feel inclined to give them a pass.

 

I'll give them a pass as well. . . on pre-ordering the game.

 

Now having said that, them deciding to go with only male protagonists is their prerogative.  But for me, playing a female character is a major feature that makes me enjoy a game a lot more.  I'm sure all of us have certain features that are make or break deals in purchasing a game - especially at full price.  

 

On a happier note, I'll say it's nice to get more info about a feature that I'm really interested in.  I actually wasn't sure I was going to make a female Qunari (plans were to do elf and human first) but now I'm stuck deciding which one I'd prefer.

[theflyingzamboni]

I was so happy to see something other than generic gruff white male get shown off at E3. The fact that it was our first real look at a female qunari in the DA game series just made it even better.

 

Why do they "deserve" inclusion?

Pfffwahaha What. I really hope you just didn't read that sentence over well enough before posting it. If you are actually wondering that, it's because everyone deserves equal treatment simply for being, and exclusion is harmful and bigoted.

Also, a company including a woman as the main character one or two times does not forever remove the need to be inclusive to be seen as not ignoring certain groups of people. Inclusion is ongoing, not something you can do once and then pat yourself on the back knowing that you've crushed all prejudiced assumptions.

And unless something is about actual history, the idea that someone's "vision" for a story would be drastically altered by changing the genders of its main characters, and that it would no longer be true to whatever they were envisioning, is bull. Pure and simple. In fantasy, sci-fi, and even revisionist history settings, you get license to make things up. I can conceive of no role in those settings where a female character could not serve said role identically to a male character, or closely enough to make no significant difference in the "vision" of the story. Anyone who says otherwise is making excuses for ignoring problematic cultural assumptions.

So is Ubisoft being sexist? Subtly, yeah. By saying female models for the playable characters would be too much work has sexist implications. It shows that they considered being inclusive of almost 50% of their potential player base low priority. And yeah, that's problematic.

So kudos to Bioware making the statement that women matter with their actions. Because yes, all actions make a statement, including ones like Ubisoft's that don't buck the status quo. "Default" choices are not neutral ones, they simply state that the status quo is acceptable. And Bioware's actions say good things, while also showing us new content that I personally was very interested in seeing!   YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH HORNS NOW, DRAGONS!