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[durasteel]

It's not the players' fault, but Bioware's fault for the incredibly **** ending. No canon is worth preserving after that travesty.

 

Yeah, that's about it.

[Kabooooom]

I'm sitting here legit laughing. I did not expect that people speculating on this would get so many people butthurt. Seriously, lighten the f*ck up.

[Senior Cinco]

But go ahead, buddy... explain to me how you care so much about this galaxy you know nothing whatsoever about, including whether or not it even exists. While you're at it, explain to me how you know that half the members who posted in the Andromeda thread care about it, and how they have expanded into "most." You seemed pretty confident that you know what they're thinking.

 

You're right. I can't deny that I'm a complete idiot and I have absolutely no clue as to why I even play the game. I'm sorry for wasting the time of this community. I will remove myself form the forum and let you continue with people that actually know what's going on.

 

Again, Accept my humble apology and I wish you all well.

[kyban]

My fried said it might be the map materializing or dispersing. It's food for thought. 

 

And what if it's a bigger map that includes our galaxy somewhere in it? What if we'll be exploring a much larger region of space and the Milky way is just part of it? Also, if we are in a new galaxy, why do we have a map of it already?

 

I was thinking something similar. Your idea seems better though... that the Milkyway is only a small piece. I was thinking that you could now travel to other galaxy's, much like we used to travel to different star systems. What technology makes that possible? Heck if i know, >insert macguffin here<

[Kabooooom]

I was thinking something similar. Your idea seems better though... that the Milkyway is only a small piece. I was thinking that you could now travel to other galaxy's, much like we used to travel to different star systems. What technology makes that possible? Heck if i know, >insert macguffin here<

Again, the scale would be too massive. 400 billion stars in the Milky Way, and that's an average amount. What would be the point of galaxy hopping to only visit a few star systems per galaxy?

And then there's the problem of tech. Ark theory is pushing it as it is. The lore BARELY provides enough canon information to make an intergalactic voyage possible. But to galaxy hop at whim? Thatd be so lore breaking that it would be a lot worse than Ark Theory in the hand waving department.

[durasteel]

You're right. I can't deny that I'm a complete idiot and I have absolutely no clue as to why I even play the game. I'm sorry for wasting the time of this community. I will remove myself form the forum and let you continue with people that actually know what's going on.

 

Again, Accept my humble apology and I wish you all well.

 

Dude, relax. No one called you an idiot, and no one knows what's going on with ME4 (which is close to the point I was trying to make.)

[durasteel]

My fried said it might be the map materializing or dispersing. It's food for thought. 

 

And what if it's a bigger map that includes our galaxy somewhere in it? What if we'll be exploring a much larger region of space and the Milky way is just part of it? Also, if we are in a new galaxy, why do we have a map of it already?

 

Actually that's the easy part. We can already map the Milky Way with some accuracy, and presumably once the ark reached the GNOCA there would be someone there to sell us a map and some gasoline and to offer some (probably wrong) directions. Otherwise it would be a pretty boring game.

[Medievalist]

Some of them probably wouldn't make it.  The Geth, because nobody would trust them though I wouldn't rule them out.  The Quarians because the Migrant Fleet recalled all of them back from pilgrimage prior to attacking Rannoch.  The only Quarians around to go would be scattered exiles (Though a Quarian society built entirely by their social outcasts could be interesting).  I could do without the batarians.  The hanar would probably bring a population of drell with them, though it'd be small.  I don't have any hopes for the vorcha.

 

Still, the majority would be present and we'd have new species to discover.

 

Well, this basically reiterates the point I made above: There are rather large differences between the races. You say, the Geth would be left behind, because they wouldn't be trusted.
But the same goes for the Krogan. I mentioned in the Twitter Thread, that due to their allegedly limited "usability" for a cooperative project and lack in scientific and technological skill as well as (in case Shepard used the Cure) their ridiculously high rate of reproduction would most likely lead the participating parties (esp. the Salarians and Turians) to leaving the Krogan behind, too.

[kyban]

Again, the scale would be too massive. 400 billion stars in the Milky Way, and that's an average amount. What would be the point of galaxy hopping to only visit a few star systems per galaxy?

And then there's the problem of tech. Ark theory is pushing it as it is. The lore BARELY provides enough canon information to make an intergalactic voyage possible. But to galaxy hop at whim? Thatd be so lore breaking that it would be a lot worse than Ark Theory in the hand waving department.

 

Heck if I know, i'm just shooting from the hip here. I think we're jumping to some pretty wild conclusions here, i say just wait it out until more info comes out on it. The picture did say "Conceptual prototype." Don't count on anything you see there making it to the final product. 

[Kabooooom]

Actually that's the easy part. We can already map the Milky Way with some accuracy, and presumably once the ark reached the GNOCA there would be someone there to sell us a map and some gasoline and to offer some (probably wrong) directions. Otherwise it would be a pretty boring game.

Well, there's a difference between mapping the Milky Way and mapping a galaxy that is 2.5 million light years away. But yeah, I don't find this particularly problematic. Stumbling around in it until you find a garden world would be problematic though, because there's no way you could map it to that degree of accuracy from the MW.

[Heimdall]

Well, this basically reiterates the point I made above: There are rather large differences between the races. You say, the Geth would be left behind, because they wouldn't be trusted.
But the same goes for the Krogan. I mentioned in the Twitter Thread, that due to their allegedly limited "usability" for a cooperative project and lack in scientific and technological skill as well as (in case Shepard used the Cure) their ridiculously high rate of reproduction would most likely lead the participating parties (esp. the Salarians and Turians) to leaving the Krogan behind, too.

Well, to preserve choice (Pretty much the main motivation behind Ark theory) any Krogan that come would have been off world at the time the cure was unleashed (Or not).  But, not knowing what might lurk in this new galaxy, its conceivable that someone would see fit to bring along the hardiest race in the Milky Way.

 

Well, there's a difference between mapping the Milky Way and mapping a galaxy that is 2.5 million light years away. But yeah, I don't find this particularly problematic. Stumbling around in it until you find a garden world would be problematic though, because there's no way you could map it to that degree of accuracy from the MW.

That's pretty much an issue of "If the writers want them to, it'll happen"

[Kabooooom]

Heck if I know, i'm just shooting from the hip here. I think we're jumping to some pretty wild conclusions here, i say just wait it out until more info comes out on it. The picture did say "Conceptual prototype." Don't count on anything you see there making it to the final product.

No one's counting on anything, except for maybe that Elite fellow. We are all just speculating based on an image Bioware deliberately showed us (while referring to the setting of the new game) - an image that is clearly not that of the Milky Way. Thus, an interesting debate has spawned from that.

Personally, I hope it IS the Milky Way (although it doesn't resemble it at all). I'm hoping they revived the dark energy plot and that is the Milky Way torn to shreds beyond recognition. Although I don't know how they will avoid canonizing an ending in that scenario - but they most likely will avoid it no matter what. Anyone who thinks they won't is deluding themselves, I think. The writers will avoid ME3 like the plague.

[durasteel]

Well, there's a difference between mapping the Milky Way and mapping a galaxy that is 2.5 million light years away. But yeah, I don't find this particularly problematic. Stumbling around in it until you find a garden world would be problematic though, because there's no way you could map it to that degree of accuracy from the MW.

 

Presumably your ark's computer could handle that for you as you approached the GNOCA over the course of a couple of centuries, while you napped in the cooler.

[Medievalist]

I can only bring in lore at this point. True, if writers want something, they can do it. But to crate an immersive story, it has to be credible. And you cannot be credible, if you violate the laws, you yourself created. Let me quote from the ME Wiki, which taks its info from the games' codex:

 

"Element zero FTL drives accumulate a static electrical charge when a vessel has been in FTL flight for some time. This charge steadily increases with the amount of time a vessel spends in FTL. Eventually, it must be discharged. The safe method involves discharging into a planet's magnetic field (for large ships, incapable of planetary landings) or actual surface contact (in the case of smaller vessels). Space stations and similar structures which are not located near planets are usually equipped with their own discharging facilities; the Citadel has dozens of these.

 

If the drive charge cannot be discharged, it will eventually accumulate to the point at which it discharges into the ship's hull. The heat will fry everything inside; fusing the bulkheads, destroying the electronics and killing all the crew members." (Source: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL) 

 

As there are no planets or comparable means for discharging a drive core, it would be virtually impossible to travel 2.5 million light years (travel time of 228 years at Reaper FTL speeds) without discharging your drive.

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Edit: I just posted this in the Andromeda thread, but it also fits here:

 

I just watched the video again and Casey Hudson himself, disproves the Ark Theory by saying:

 

"Pick a planet across the other side of the galaxy and fly there and see, what you'll discover" (at about 0:49 mins)

 

If you regard all those other snippets as proof, you definitely need to take this into account as evidence against the Ark Theory and Andromeda, too!

[Heimdall]

I can only bring in lore at this point. True, if writers want something, they can do it. But to crate an immersive story, it has to be credible. And you cannot be credible, if you violate the laws, you yourself created. Let me quote from the ME Wiki, which taks its info from the games' codex:

 

"Element zero FTL drives accumulate a static electrical charge when a vessel has been in FTL flight for some time. This charge steadily increases with the amount of time a vessel spends in FTL. Eventually, it must be discharged. The safe method involves discharging into a planet's magnetic field (for large ships, incapable of planetary landings) or actual surface contact (in the case of smaller vessels). Space stations and similar structures which are not located near planets are usually equipped with their own discharging facilities; the Citadel has dozens of these.

 

If the drive charge cannot be discharged, it will eventually accumulate to the point at which it discharges into the ship's hull. The heat will fry everything inside; fusing the bulkheads, destroying the electronics and killing all the crew members." (Source: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL) 

 

As there are no planets or comparable means for discharging a drive core, it would be virtually impossible to travel 2.5 million light years (travel time of 228 years at Reaper FTL speeds) without discharging your drive.

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Edit: I just posted this in the Andromeda thread, but it also fits here:

 

I just watched the video again and Casey Hudson himself, disproves the Ark Theory by saying:

 

"Pick a planet across the other side of the galaxy and fly there and see, what you'll discover" (at about 0:49 mins)

 

If you regard all those other snippets as proof, you definitely need to take this into account as evidence against the Ark Theory and Andromeda, too!

I've already thought about that.  Perhaps they could come up with some sort of "Ballast" system to store the charge in and jettison.  It would only work for as long as they have "ballast" left, but its feasible if the writers want to go that direction.

 

As for that statement, I'm afraid that isn't evidence for or against anything.  He never said which galaxy the planet was across.

[KrrKs]

The discharge problem can also be solved with minor 'ass pulls'.

The milky way and andromeda should actually have some 'stray systems' that got slingshot away.

Conveniently place some along the path (err, i mean plan your path accordingly), maybe add some reaper sensor stations/ similar abandoned stations that could be used and suddenly you are halfway there...

[Medievalist]

The discharge problem can also be solved with minor 'ass pulls'.

The milky way and andromeda should actually have some 'stray systems' that got slingshot away.

Conveniently place some along the path (err, i mean plan your path accordingly), maybe add some reaper sensor stations/ similar abandoned stations that could be used and suddenly you are halfway there...

 

I see your point... but this get's dangerously close to shark-jumping-territory...

[Heimdall]

I see your point... but this get's dangerously close to shark-jumping-territory...

Well, Bioware's going to have to do something that borders on contrived unless they create a canon (Which is a worse problem in some people's(my) estimate)

[Kabooooom]

I can only bring in lore at this point. True, if writers want something, they can do it. But to crate an immersive story, it has to be credible. And you cannot be credible, if you violate the laws, you yourself created. Let me quote from the ME Wiki, which taks its info from the games' codex:

"Element zero FTL drives accumulate a static electrical charge when a vessel has been in FTL flight for some time. This charge steadily increases with the amount of time a vessel spends in FTL. Eventually, it must be discharged. The safe method involves discharging into a planet's magnetic field (for large ships, incapable of planetary landings) or actual surface contact (in the case of smaller vessels). Space stations and similar structures which are not located near planets are usually equipped with their own discharging facilities; the Citadel has dozens of these.

If the drive charge cannot be discharged, it will eventually accumulate to the point at which it discharges into the ship's hull. The heat will fry everything inside; fusing the bulkheads, destroying the electronics and killing all the crew members." (Source: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL)

As there are no planets or comparable means for discharging a drive core, it would be virtually impossible to travel 2.5 million light years (travel time of 228 years at Reaper FTL speeds) without discharging your drive.
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Edit: I just posted this in the Andromeda thread, but it also fits here:

I just watched the video again and Casey Hudson himself, disproves the Ark Theory by saying:

"Pick a planet across the other side of the galaxy and fly there and see, what you'll discover" (at about 0:49 mins)

If you regard all those other snippets as proof, you definitely need to take this into account as evidence against the Ark Theory and Andromeda, too!

I addressed the discharge issue waaay back on page one. You're forgetting that the Reapers don't need to discharge. Discharging isn't an inherent problem with FTL travel, just the drives that the Protheans (and this galaxy) used/use.

[Heimdall]

I addressed the discharge issue waaay back on page one. You're forgetting that the Reapers don't need to discharge. Discharging isn't an inherent problem with FTL travel, just the drives that the Protheans (and this galaxy) used/use.

Good point.  Its conceivable that they could reverse engineer something from Reaper drives.

[durasteel]

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Space stations and similar structures which are not located near planets are usually equipped with their own discharging facilities; the Citadel has dozens of these.

 

If the drive charge cannot be discharged, it will eventually accumulate to the point at which it discharges into the ship's hull. The heat will fry everything inside; fusing the bulkheads, destroying the electronics and killing all the crew members.

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And how do these discharging facilities work? Also, simple physics would suggest that if if the charge can be discharged into the hull to create heat, there must be a way to discharge it in a way that generates some other sort of energy, such as light or x-rays.

[The Heretic of Time]

The "Ark Theory" is basically a kind of conspiracy theory that gives too much attention to little aspects of BioWare's E3 presentation and the things their staff mentioned afterwards. It evolved from the Twitter Thread immediately after the presentation.

Someone interpreted the "Galaxy Map" sequence from said trailer in such a way, that the shown galaxy is no longer the Milky Way, but Andromeda. And because of something the Asari Councilor said after the fall of Thessia, the "Ark Theory" suggests that ME4 will be about an ark ship that will take members of council races to Andromeda to form a new colony.

You'll see from my reply that I regard the "Ark Theory" as a mere figment of some fans' imagination. I call myself a Mass Effect fanboy and want ME4 rather today than tomorrow, but for me the "evidence" supporting the "Ark Theory" is virtually non-existent.

To be honest that actually sounds intriguing. It would basically be history repeating itself but on a grander scale (instead of European settlers discovering and settling in America, it would be the races of the Milky Way discovering and settling in the Andromeda galaxy.

They could introduce some cool space wild-west themes and create some interesting friction between the settlers from our galaxy and the natives from Andromeda, maybe ending up in an all out war at some point. Would certainly be a lot more interesting than the dumb reaper plot that we had for the current Mass Effect trilogy.

[Butch Cassidy]

LOLwut?

 

You don't even know what it is, man. The ark theory is vague on that point--it could be Andromeda, it could be wherever... and you don't pretend to know what's going to be there. New races, new tech, the vacant ruins of a galactic civilization that was wiped out and never replaced? 

 

You don't give half a crap about this presumed new galaxy, because it doesn't even exist yet except in the minds of people who haven't told you about it except, maybe, to flash you an image of a work-in-progress map of it without anything marked or labeled. It could have been a 3D scan of a Krogan's colon for all we know.

 

You don't care about the imaginary new galaxy at all. The only thing you care about is leaving the one you played in as Shepard.

To be fair I didn't really give a crap about this galaxy until ME1, up until that point it had just been a vacuum of cold space I see when I leave my house. I had previously cared much more about a galaxy far far away a long time ago, more than the one I live in. So that's pretty even. I care about whatever galaxy because that's where the game I'm playing takes place. Just like I cared about Fereldan in about an hour, even though I'd never heard of it before. You make it sound like this fondness they created can't be recreated, when in reality they do it all the time. And for me, and obviously some others, we would prefer to have that recreation take place again, rather than relying on nostalgia and previous encounters to comfort us.

[corporal doody]

Ark Theory.....Indoctrination Theory......all Garbage.....theory

[Butch Cassidy]

And as has been said, none of us know, we're just playing out the idea. As we've seen Bioware is not afraid of completely disregarding your choices in previous ME games, or at least dwindling them to next to nothing in the grand scheme (Saving the council, Rachni, Collector base). And DA does the same thing by being more of an anthology that only passingly references your past game choices. I think there is a high chance that ME:N will follow that anthology idea. Shepard will be like the Warden, the setting will be somewhere different, and they'll minimize previous experiences and choices to make the new game wholly its own thing. Now do I know that will happen? No. Do I know what galaxy that is, or whether the entire conceptual image thing is more conceptual or image, no. But given Bioware's past handling of said situations, it's not out of the realm of possibility. It's one of the more interesting ideas (for my money).

 

It has problems, but no more than trying to reconcile ME3 as a direct sequel or soemthing that is heavily influenced by ME3. I mean even if they did, what would they do? I imagine you'd get a ME3 ending choice dependent opening prologue which would address your said choice, then find some way to shoehorn them all into a more or less equal same starting point. Which would cause an inevitable outcry, more so than the council and rachni decisions being trumped. The ending fiasco is one of the biggest video game fiascos in history. I really believe they are going to run run run away from that all the way to a new galaxy if need be. Or at least some unaffected undiscovered part of the MW. I just don't think they can financially, artistically risk another hoopla. They probably want ME3 as a distant memory. 

 

Plenty of franchises have successfully set stories in completely new settings while retaining core components of gameplay, lore, history, and tone and kept their IP as a whole recognizable property. In fact longevity seems to demand such. We shall wait and see if this is the case. I expect to know something by the end of the year once DA:I has made it's mark. As it is the basis for all future Bioware games, I expect the meta aspects of resource allocating to come into play, as well as exploration and huge environments. I also expect ME:N to be their first fully next gen title. And to take whatever lessons are to be learned from DAI in tow.

 

I'm optimistic. I'm hopeful. I'm ready to move on from ME3 and Shepard. That doesn't mean it has to be Ark Theory. Maybe someone who gets paid to do this is smarter than us and has a better solution. But for now its fun to argue and talk it out. But the burying of ME3's ending is even supported by the fervor of this conversation. What should be a lively discussion of the pros and cons of this theory is a heated exchange of anger and borderline heresy calling by people who want to see these endings treated in this way or that. I mean, it's bad. The boards are still blowing up here over it after years. Years. So whatever they do, they're going to ****** people off. Ark or not.