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[Reever]

The decidedly Prothean looking fella in this image made me think. 

 

What if the reason we're seeing Protheans is because we're traveling to a galaxy that the Protheans escaped to on their own 'Ark'. Given what we already know about the protheans, that they had at least two survival attempts with Ilos and Javik, it wouldn't surprise me if they endeavored to resurrect the glorious Prothean empire through sending their own ark. 

 

And that would even be a good explanation.

 

 

You could at least read the idea. They have stasis pods in ME.

 

When I read that I was thinking: "Have you eveN played the damn games?!"

 

And I'm not even saying it HAS to be the "ark theory" option. Just saying it is an option and that it would make sense.

 

[dan155]

Not a fan of the Ark Theory myself, think there's better ways to set the game in our Galaxy whilst remaining respectful to the original endings.  Having said that, if the Ark Theory (or something like it) turns out to be the route they go down, I wonder if incorporating the planet Klencory into the story might make it more believable:

 

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."

 

Shol has been excavating on Klencory's toxic surface for two decades, at great expense. No government has valued the world enough to evict his small army of mercenaries.

 

 

Let's say that Shol did find something on Klencory, the location of a lost Relay maybe?  

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It is not going to matter. The endings are not going to matter. There is an out in all three of the endings.

 

1) Destroy: the reapers are destroyed. Bye bye. We rebuild the relays. The process is supposed to take a few years.

 

2) Control: Shepard is dead. The reapers rebuild the relays and Shepalyst watches over the many but wait and see. The reapers return to dark space for 50,000 years. This ending doesn't matter.

 

3) Synthesis: "We have tried a similar solution in the past, but it has always failed.... it is not something that can be forced." It is a forced solution. Somehow magically this cycle is ready. Well, it doesn't work. The reapers think it does, repair the relays for us, and leave for another 50,000 years. After they leave the synthesis stops working, and life begins to return to what it was. New births are fully organic.

 

So the MEU is reaper free in all endings. No reapers to worry about. No indoctrination to worry about. New things to do. New areas of the galaxy to explore. It will work out.

 

All the endings were virtually identical except for the color of the explosions on your screen: you died, the relays exploded, and the Normandy crashed. If your EMS was high enough you survived Destroy.

[Son of Shepherd]

And that would even be a good explanation.

 

 

 

When I read that I was thinking: "Have you eveN played the damn games?!"

 

And I'm not even saying it HAS to be the "ark theory" option. Just saying it is an option and that it would make sense.

My main point was that it wasn't believable that someone could gather the resources to make the journey, but yeah OK, stasis pods is fair comment with regards to species with short lifespans. The way I see one day us going to another galaxy is this:

 

Thousands of years after the events of ME3 the milky way's resources are running thin, or it's being threatened by exploding stars or such like. They have been viewing Andromeda and have sent a handful of mass relays remotely, no different to a space probe. And there you have it, connection to andromeda established. Though that does surely involve picking a canon ending anyway, which only destroy would realistically fit. Also this would be a hell of a long time away and if they're going to pick a canon ending, the next game should and hopefully will be in the milky way.

[kold213]

My main point was that it wasn't believable that someone could gather the resources to make the journey, but yeah OK, stasis pods is fair comment with regards to species with short lifespans. The way I see one day us going to another galaxy is this:

 

Thousands of years after the events of ME3 the milky way's resources are running thin, or it's being threatened by exploding stars or such like. They have been viewing Andromeda and have sent a handful of mass relays remotely, no different to a space probe. And there you have it, connection to andromeda established. Though that does surely involve picking a canon ending anyway, which only destroy would realistically fit. Also this would be a hell of a long time away and if they're going to pick a canon ending, the next game should and hopefully will be in the milky way.

 

The entire planet of Bekenstein, the planet from Kasumi's loyalty mission, is full of rich people terrified of dying. I'm sure more than a few would back an Ark mission. They wouldn't be smart enough to choose the right people to go (instead of opting for the healthiest people with the fewest genetic problems, they sell tickets to the highest bidders ala 2012). By the time they reach Andromeda, they have an army of inbred Caligulas. Game over.

[Kabooooom]

I've always loved the idea of a generation ship - a massive superstructure with an expansive organic living space inside, and room enough for tens of thousands of individuals and their offspring to survive a long space voyage.

But even in the ME universe they can't build something like that. The Cryogenic route is pretty much the best bet. It's also more practical anyways. But generation ships are just so coolZ

[KrrKs]

Well, the migrant fleet actually consists of generation ships, but they are limited to visiting civilized regions for repairs once in a while.

[Kabooooom]

Well, the migrant fleet actually consists of generation ships, but they are limited to visiting civilized regions for repairs once in a while.

They aren't true generation ships. Every ship in that fleet could be considered a "generation ship" in the sense that multiple generations are born and die on them, but they aren't self-sufficient, and a single ship couldn't maintain a sustainable population such that the species itself could recover from it.

[Reever]

It is not going to matter. The endings are not going to matter. There is an out in all three of the endings.

 

1) Destroy: the reapers are destroyed. Bye bye. We rebuild the relays. The process is supposed to take a few years.

 

2) Control: Shepard is dead. The reapers rebuild the relays and Shepalyst watches over the many but wait and see. The reapers return to dark space for 50,000 years. This ending doesn't matter.

 

3) Synthesis: "We have tried a similar solution in the past, but it has always failed.... it is not something that can be forced." It is a forced solution. Somehow magically this cycle is ready. Well, it doesn't work. The reapers think it does, repair the relays for us, and leave for another 50,000 years. After they leave the synthesis stops working, and life begins to return to what it was. New births are fully organic.

 

So the MEU is reaper free in all endings. No reapers to worry about. No indoctrination to worry about. New things to do. New areas of the galaxy to explore. It will work out.

 

All the endings were virtually identical except for the color of the explosions on your screen: you died, the relays exploded, and the Normandy crashed. If your EMS was high enough you survived Destroy.

 

Yeah, because this is a much better cop-out than the ark..../sarcasm

 

The Synthesis ending will work this time because it wasn't "forced". At least not on Shepard, who cares about the rest of the Galaxy?

 

I'd be sincerely more pissed at something like this than an ark alternative...

[Heimdall]

 

The Ark Theory wouldn't work. You'd need to dump your drive cores at the magnetic fields of planets, how many planets are between here and Andromeda? There is a discharge system reserved for larger vessels like space stations. I can't find how these systems work, but I assume it involves loading up the excess static charge into a battery and jettisoning it. A system like that would require a massive number of batteries or raw material stored on board; it wouldn't be feasible.

 

I'm also unsure of how often you'd need to discharge the core. Assuming it needs to be discharged once a week for a 500 years, you'd need 26,000 batteries to pop off.

 

A problem, but it could be reasonably overcome if the writers decided to go that route.  The Reapers ran their engines for three years continuously and we haven't heard of them needing to, so its possible the charge buildup can be engineered away.  The discharge system would require immense resources, but it is within the realm of possibility.  That depends on how often discharge is required, of course, but we don't know that.  Its in the writer's hands.

[Heimdall]

It was only secret from Cerberus and the reapers for a small period of time, every scientist and military/governmental organisation knew about it in no time, but those people are used to being bound by confidentiality.

 

It would really poor of Bioware to decide ark theory happened without it being mentioned at all in mass effect 3. No way would anyone be able to gather enough people, resources, fuel and hardware supplies to last that journey and get away without anyone being aware.  

Its actually potentially a smaller project than the Crucible and less resource intensive, at least in the sense of the sheer size of it.  Even if it were a single massive ship, it wouldn't be the size of the Citadel like the Crucible was.  Also, those resources would have been assembled over a period of years, rather than slapped together in a few months.

[durasteel]

False.  That was a rare incident.  See Leviathan dlc and catalyst remark about how the peace won't last.  I want to believe that peace is possible long term, but that's just hope talking.  Both Leviathan and catalyst have been witness to the always reoccurring conflict for millions of years.  There's an established pattern.  Even though I acknowledge this, destroy is my prefered ending. 

 

The Leviathans saw the potential for synthetics to dominate organic life, so they created the Catalyst, which built the Reapers, which dominated organic life until "The Shepard" (gag) beat them with space magic. Since the creation of  the catalyst, the 50,000 year cycle has prevented synthetics and organics from playing the drama out and seeing how it would end.

 

The catalyst is an idiot, and the Leviathans are the ones that made the damn thing and unleashed it upon themselves. You're really wanting to take their word for it?

 

"Organics vs. synthetics" is a non-issue. We aren't fighting the Reapers because they're synthetic, we're fighting them because they're reaping us. 

[Heimdall]

My main point was that it wasn't believable that someone could gather the resources to make the journey, but yeah OK, stasis pods is fair comment with regards to species with short lifespans. The way I see one day us going to another galaxy is this:

 

Thousands of years after the events of ME3 the milky way's resources are running thin, or it's being threatened by exploding stars or such like. They have been viewing Andromeda and have sent a handful of mass relays remotely, no different to a space probe. And there you have it, connection to andromeda established. Though that does surely involve picking a canon ending anyway, which only destroy would realistically fit. Also this would be a hell of a long time away and if they're going to pick a canon ending, the next game should and hopefully will be in the milky way.

Though I loath to bring it up, the vast majority of the Milky Way remains unexplored.  I don't think they'll be running to Andromeda because of a resource crisis anytime soon.

[durasteel]

Though I loath to bring it up, the vast majority of the Milky Way remains unexplored.  I don't think they'll be running to Andromeda because of a resource crisis anytime soon.

 

Absolutely right. No one will be running to Andromeda--if there is a run to another galaxy, it will be because BioWare is running from the crap ending of their last Mass Effect game.

[whogotsalami]

There is absolutely no logical way to explain this. The entire resources (which by the time of ME3 are pretty thin and the Reapers are gaining ground) are already used to build the Crucible, how on earth would they try to complete another such grand project. And putting aside the fact that there isn't even one mention of it in ME3.

[Heimdall]

There is absolutely no logical way to explain this. The entire resources (which by the time of ME3 are pretty thin and the Reapers are gaining ground) are already used to build the Crucible, how on earth would they try to complete another such grand project. And putting aside the fact that there isn't even one mention of it in ME3.

The theory postulates that:

 

A. The Ark project was underway years prior to the outbreak of the way thanks to an "in the know" group that saw it as the best way to escape annihilation.  So they had a significant head start with gathering resources.

B. Those responsible for the project would have approached wealthy private individuals during the war and offered them seats in exchange for resources.  Remember, the general public doesn't know about the Crucible project, they just know conventional warfare is having very limited success.

[Son of Shepherd]

Though I loath to bring it up, the vast majority of the Milky Way remains unexplored.  I don't think they'll be running to Andromeda because of a resource crisis anytime soon.

 

Yeah I agree entirely and that's why I'm against the next game being in another galaxy. Might be a good idea for Mass Effect 14 though.

[Heimdall]

Yeah I agree entirely and that's why I'm against the next game being in another galaxy. Might be a good idea for Mass Effect 14 though.

I'm not, because they'd be running from the Reapers, not lack of resources.

[luridedith]

I don't know if this has been suggested before but instead of a Council-sanctioned 'ark' on a mission to preserve life what if its more of a 'lost in space'/Star Trek Voyager type accident? While escaping from a Reaper attack near the end of ME3, a ship full of diverse characters, wounded soldiers and refugees (led by the protagonist) find a mysterious relay(or fall into a wormhole/discover a transporting device we've never seen before, whatever) and are transported to the furthest reaches of the milky way / another galaxy. I think a more grassroots, Firefly-style 'little ship-big world' narrative would be really fun start. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The problem with the Ark Theory is that it begins with an ass pull larger than the Crucible. Whatever they do is going to be viewed as good by half of the people, and bad by the other half of the people. We've only explored a very tiny fraction of the Milky Way. So they deal with the ME3 ending in a funky way which will not please anyone but will be politically correct. It's either that or they ****** of 50% of the people and declare Destroy as the canon because that is the ending that leaves the best opportunity for conflict. Conflict = story. 

[Heimdall]

The problem with the Ark Theory is that it begins with an ass pull larger than the Crucible. Whatever they do is going to be viewed as good by half of the people, and bad by the other half of the people. We've only explored a very tiny fraction of the Milky Way. So they deal with the ME3 ending in a funky way which will not please anyone but will be politically correct. It's either that or they ****** of 50% of the people and declare Destroy as the canon because that is the ending that leaves the best opportunity for conflict. Conflict = story.

There is no easy path to a sequel, yes.

[Nitrocuban]

The thing is: No matter how small the part of the milky way is we actually explored already, it feels small.

The milky way is "been there, done that" and does not have that "to boldly go" feel anymore since we've been traveling through it for 3 games now.

Not saying Ark Theory is true, but it srsly is an option.

[Catastrophy]

Don't know what "Ark theory" is and I don't give a f*** about fanboy hyping, but I always thought another galaxy was a good thing to start fresh.

[Kabooooom]

Don't know what "Ark theory" is and I don't give a f*** about fanboy hyping, but I always thought another galaxy was a good thing to start fresh.

That's basically what ark theory is, lol. I view the theory as something like this: "we hypothesize that Bioware WILL take the series to a new galaxy to avoid the ME3 endings thus make all of them still valid without canonizing one. Here is a proposed plot, one of many, that could accommodate that"

[crimzontearz]

The problem with the Ark Theory is that it begins with an ass pull larger than the Crucible. Whatever they do is going to be viewed as good by half of the people, and bad by the other half of the people. We've only explored a very tiny fraction of the Milky Way. So they deal with the ME3 ending in a funky way which will not please anyone but will be politically correct. It's either that or they ****** of 50% of the people and declare Destroy as the canon because that is the ending that leaves the best opportunity for conflict. Conflict = story.

why would it be such an ass pull pray tell?