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[Patchwork]

The big divide on this seems to be people who are okay with BW setting a canon ending and those who aren't.

 

My only reservation about the Ark theory is that the ship or ships will be populated by people who ran away but there is a way around that. To keep the project a secret this Ark cabal seizes ships, kidnaps specific people he/she thinks will be an asset (i.e. the pc) and keeps them unconscious until it's time to leave and then it's into the statis pods everyone goes.   

 

When they hit the new galaxy there's an internal conflict because of what this person has done. They're the Loghain of ME, convinced they've done the right thing and saved what little they could the only way they could. 

[Heimdall]

The big divide on this seems to be people who are okay with BW setting a canon ending and those who aren't.

My only reservation about the Ark theory is that the ship or ships will be populated by people who ran away but there is a way around that. To keep the project a secret this Ark cabal seizes ships, kidnaps specific people he/she thinks will be an asset (i.e. the pc) and keeps them unconscious until it's time to leave and then it's into the statis pods everyone goes.

When they hit the new galaxy there's an internal conflict because of what this person has done. They're the Loghain of ME, convinced they've done the right thing and saved what little they could the only way they could.

Another idea, if we go the Citadel Relay route, is that this cabal couldn't get the people they wanted and improvised when the Citadel was under attack, evacuating at least some of the population into the arks.

[Heimdall]

Any form of preparation is better than doing nothing and letting everything that their people hold dear be destroyed.

The thing about ark theory is that it's not necessary, making the destroy ending canon and setting it at least a hundred years after the trilogy will get the same results and it also gives the dev's something to work with. There will be enough change with the new protagonist and time period, a new galaxy isn't needed.

No matter what Bioware does people won't be happy so they may as well work with what's already there instead of starting from square one.

Well, that's exactly what they're doing preparing to save as many people as they can, including their loved ones, by putting them beyond the Reapers reach.

This is a matter of personal preference. I would prefer Bioware avoid setting a canon at all.

[Vortex13]

Another idea, if we go the Citadel Relay route, is that this cabal couldn't get the people they wanted and improvised when the Citadel was under attack, evacuating at least some of the population into the arks.

 

 

That would be assuming that these people would be able to figure out where the "on" switch to the Citadel Relay is, and how to get to it. I would be willing to handwave the discovery of the Relay's activation protocols, if it wasn't for the fact that in all the time that the Citadel had been inhabited, no one tried to delve into the inner workings of the station. Also, if people are poking around in the Citadel, looking for a a Relay, then wouldn't they bump into the Catalyst?

 

But supposing that this group of people found and activated the Relay, then wouldn't that just open the door for Reapers to survive into future titles? I mean if the Relay to Dark Space was activated as the Reapers were attacking the Citadel, then it stands to reason that a Reaper or two would have gone through after them.

 

Now it is quite possible that the ark ships could avoid detection out in the inter-galatic void, but that means that there would be Reapers that survived the endings, unless the R/G/B explosion traveled to the Dark Relay in which case it would have hit the Ark ships as well.

[Heimdall]

That would be assuming that these people would be able to figure out where the "on" switch to the Citadel Relay is, and how to get to it. I would be willing to handwave the discovery of the Relay's activation protocols, if it wasn't for the fact that in all the time that the Citadel had been inhabited, no one tried to delve into the inner workings of the station. Also, if people are poking around in the Citadel, looking for a a Relay, then wouldn't they bump into the Catalyst?

 

But supposing that this group of people found and activated the Relay, then wouldn't that just open the door for Reapers to survive into future titles? I mean if the Relay to Dark Space was activated as the Reapers were attacking the Citadel, then it stands to reason that a Reaper or two would have gone through after them.

 

Now it is quite possible that the ark ships could avoid detection out in the inter-galatic void, but that means that there would be Reapers that survived the endings, unless the R/G/B explosion traveled to the Dark Relay in which case it would have hit the Ark ships as well.

That's a valid point.  Perhaps a single Reaper went after them and they had enough firepower to defeat it?  Though that strains credulity considering the damage they would sustain in a battle like that.

 

Sanrya might have the better idea.  Most of the galaxy is flooded with refugees at this point anyway, so its not inconceivable that this cabal could discreetly pull a "Sanctuary" and lure refugees in before throwing them in stasis pods.

[Vortex13]

That's a valid point.  Perhaps a single Reaper went after them and they had enough firepower to defeat it?  Though that strains credulity considering the damage they would sustain in a battle like that.

 

Sanrya might have the better idea.  Most of the galaxy is flooded with refugees at this point anyway, so its not inconceivable that this cabal could discreetly pull a "Sanctuary" and lure refugees in before throwing them in stasis pods.

 

 

That would be a more likely method of avoiding detection, but without using the Citadel Relay I don't know if such ships could get far enough away from the Milky Way to avoid the ending choice(s). The Reaper War only lasted a few months, and I would assume that the Ark ships in question wouldn't leave the moment the Reapers showed up; especially if they were trying to pull a "Sanctuary" as you put it.

 

This means that at most you would probably be looking at maybe a month (more then likely only a few weeks) of travel time before the Crucible was deployed, which I doubt would put them far enough away from the galaxy to avoid the endings.

[Heimdall]

That would be a more likely method of avoiding detection, but without using the Citadel Relay I don't know if such ships could get far enough away from the Milky Way to avoid the ending choice(s). The Reaper War only lasted a few months, and I would assume that the Ark ships in question wouldn't leave the moment the Reapers showed up; especially if they were trying to pull a "Sanctuary" as you put it.

 

This means that at most you would probably be looking at maybe a month (more then likely only a few weeks) of travel time before the Crucible was deployed, which I doubt would put them far enough away from the galaxy to avoid the endings.

Well, they could use the Citadel Relay shortly before the Reapers attacked the Citadel, but before any Reapers actually arrived.

 

Or maybe there's some relay at the very edge of the galaxy that would give them a good starting point to be out of its range when the Crucible was fired.  (The most mundane, but probably the most practical solution.

[Drone223]

Well, that's exactly what they're doing preparing to save as many people as they can, including their loved ones, by putting them beyond the Reapers reach.
This is a matter of personal preference. I would prefer Bioware avoid setting a canon at all.

There not really, they just going to let the reapers wipe out trillions of people and make no effort in stopping them, instead of fighting to the very end.

Bioware has made a canon in the ME series with Udina as the canon councilor which happen in the retribution novel, So they may as well make the destroy ending canon.

[Heimdall]

There not really, they just going to let the reapers wipe out trillions of people and make no effort in stopping them, instead of fighting to the very end.

Bioware has made a canon in the ME series with Udina as the canon councilor which happen in the retribution novel, So they may as well make the destroy ending canon.

You can't save everyone. Best focus your efforts on those you know you can save. Once again, these people do not necessarily believe victory is in the cards at all when it comes to fighting the Reapers. So effort directed to that front is effort wasted. Fighting to the end sounds noble, but in the end everyone is still dead, with nobody left to remember them.

Actually, they didn't in game, it's explained that Anderson stood down if you made him councilor as I recall. That's homogenization (Something as bad if not worse than setting a canon, see Rachni in ME3). Just because they've done something before doesn't mean its a good idea.

[Drone223]

You can't save everyone. Best focus your efforts on those you know you can save. Once again, these people do not necessarily believe victory is in the cards at all when it comes to fighting the Reapers. So effort directed to that front is effort wasted. Fighting to the end sounds noble, but in the end everyone is still dead, with nobody left to remember them.
Actually, they didn't in game, it's explained that Anderson stood down if you made him councilor as I recall. That's homogenization (Something as bad if not worse than setting a canon, see Rachni in ME3). Just because they've done something before doesn't mean its a good idea.

If have the knowledge that could potentially save everyone then you don't do nothing, they should at least fight to the very end. They just basically allowing the cycles to continue without trying to give the galaxy a chance to stop them, like the Ilos scientist.

Doesn't change the fact it happened in the retribution novel, they'll have to make certain aspects canon sooner or later so best to get it over with.

[Kabooooom]

That would be assuming that these people would be able to figure out where the "on" switch to the Citadel Relay is, and how to get to it. I would be willing to handwave the discovery of the Relay's activation protocols, if it wasn't for the fact that in all the time that the Citadel had been inhabited, no one tried to delve into the inner workings of the station. Also, if people are poking around in the Citadel, looking for a a Relay, then wouldn't they bump into the Catalyst?

But supposing that this group of people found and activated the Relay, then wouldn't that just open the door for Reapers to survive into future titles? I mean if the Relay to Dark Space was activated as the Reapers were attacking the Citadel, then it stands to reason that a Reaper or two would have gone through after them.

Now it is quite possible that the ark ships could avoid detection out in the inter-galatic void, but that means that there would be Reapers that survived the endings, unless the R/G/B explosion traveled to the Dark Relay in which case it would have hit the Ark ships as well.

This isn't even necessary actually. The most simplistic way for an "ark ship" to avoid the R/G/B explosion is to not be anywhere near an active relay. This could be accomplished by making a relay jump to, say, the edge of te galaxy, and then having a plan in place to destroy that relay similar to what was done in Arrival, and FTL well out of range before that happened.

We know from Arrival and the six month interval between it and ME3 that the nearest relay to the alpha relay was approximately 5500 light years away (Reapers travel about 30 ly/day). On average, primary relays are separated by thousands of light years. They wouldn't be anywhere near the explosion if they did that - totally safe, unless the explosion travelled at ridiculous superluminal speeds.

[Drone223]

This isn't even necessary actually. The most simplistic way for an "ark ship" to avoid the R/G/B explosion is to not be anywhere near an active relay. This could be accomplished by making a relay jump to, say, the edge of te galaxy, and then having a plan in place to destroy that relay similar to what was done in Arrival, and FTL well out of range before that happened.

We know from Arrival and the six month interval between it and ME3 that the nearest relay to the alpha relay was approximately 5500 light years away (Reapers travel about 30 ly/day). On average, primary relays are separated by thousands of light years. They wouldn't be anywhere near the explosion if they did that - totally safe, unless the explosion travelled at ridiculous superluminal speeds.

It used the mass relay's to disperse the energy so it quite fast, but I doubt they have the same FTL capabilities of the reapers.

[Smoothie]

Well, they could use the Citadel Relay shortly before the Reapers attacked the Citadel, but before any Reapers actually arrived.

 

Or maybe there's some relay at the very edge of the galaxy that would give them a good starting point to be out of its range when the Crucible was fired.  (The most mundane, but probably the most practical solution.

It's been a while, but if I remember correctly the relays used for the Quarian ark of ME3 were very close to the edge of the galaxy...similar to the one destroyed in the Arrival DLC

[Sion1138]

Get this, if you are willing to swallow time travel, one of the most ass of the various science fiction ass-pulls, Ark + Time travel is basically the best idea ever conceived.

 

You could experience the major events of the past first hand without knowing the outcome, you avoid the consequences of ME3 without adding any further contrivances.

 

A sequel and a prequel, all of Mass Effect, time and space-wise.

 

I'm sold on it.

[Drone223]

Get this, if you are willing to swallow time travel, one of the most ass of the various science fiction ass-pulls, Ark + Time travel is basically the best idea ever conceived.

 

You could experience the major events of the past first hand without knowing the outcome, you avoid the consequences of ME3 without adding any further contrivances.

 

A sequel and a prequel, all of Mass Effect, time and space-wise.

 

I'm sold on it.

The Mass Effect series doesn't need any more ass-pulls, it already has too many.

[Han Shot First]

If this Ark Theory turns out to be true, I'd be cool with it. I wouldn't mind a setting where the protagonist is far away and cut out from Citadel space.

 

That being said I'd also hope the series at some point would return to Citadel space. 

[Sion1138]

The Mass Effect series doesn't need any more ass-pulls, it already has too many.

 

Inter-galactic travel somehow feels even more far-fetched to me.

 

Also dry and unimaginative.

[Drone223]

Inter-galactic travel somehow feels even more far-fetched to me.

 

Also dry and unimaginative.

I agree with inter-galactic travel being far-fetched unimaginative, you could also say the same about time travel.

[Sion1138]

I agree with inter-galactic travel being far-fetched unimaginative, you could also say the same about time travel.

 

It's just a tool and I'm talking about the prospects. They are interesting.

 

Seeing the various species in a technologically devolved state. Ancient Krogan, that's gotta be worth it.

[Drone223]

It's just a tool and I'm talking about the prospects. They are interesting.

 

Seeing the various species in a technologically devolved state. Ancient Krogan, that's gotta be worth it.

That's probably best saved for another game, time travel isn't really needed to explore those areas.

[Sion1138]

That's probably best saved for another game, time travel isn't really needed to explore those areas.

 

Yeah, how many games do you think they'll make?

 

It's going to be at best another trilogy.

 

I'm just saying, out of all the available options, this one offers the most gain for the smallest pain.

 

Everything else is balls or has been ruled out.

 

New galaxy is balls, same galaxy but far future, balls and you still have to worry about the implications of ME3.

 

It's not a prequel (which would be extra balls) and apparently not a direct sequel either.

[Drone223]

Yeah, how many games do you think they'll make?

 

It's going to be at best another trilogy.

 

I'm just saying, out of all the available options, this one offers the most gain for the smallest pain.

 

Everything else is balls or has been ruled out.

 

New galaxy is balls, same galaxy but far future, balls and you still have to worry about the implications of ME3.

 

It's not a prequel (which would be extra balls) and apparently not a direct sequel either.

Not every ME game has to be part of a trilogy, they could just release stand alone title's. Setting the next game after ME3 based on the destroy ending is probably the best way to go since the dev's will have something to work with, the ending's will also have to be address eventually.

[Sion1138]

Not every ME game has to be part of a trilogy, they could just release stand alone title's. Setting the next game after ME3 based on the destroy ending is probably the best way to go since the dev's will have something to work with, the ending's will also have to be address eventually.

 

That would be great but there's no way they're canonizing an ending. Huge backlash guaranteed. 

[Drone223]

That would be great but there's no way they're canonizing an ending. Huge backlash guaranteed. 

There is going to be backlash no matter what Bioware does so its best to get it out the way now, Bioware have also made certain aspects of the ME series canon already such as Udina being the canon councilor.

[Kabooooom]

It used the mass relay's to disperse the energy so it quite fast, but I doubt they have the same FTL capabilities of the reapers.

You misunderstood, I think. The Reaper speed I quoted was to show that the nearest relay to the Alpha Relay is approximately 5,500 light years away. And, we already know that primary relays are on average separated by thousands of light years.

So, if they took a relay to the edge of the galaxy, destroyed it so that the nearest relay was thousands of light years away, then it would probably be quite easy to avoid the R/G/B explosion - because yes, it spreads via the relay network...of which which you just took out a piece.

But, that's the only feasible way to avoid it. If they left before or during the Reaper War and solely travelled via FTL, there's no way they'd avoid the explosion before leaving the galaxy - even IF they took a relay to the edge of the galaxy and then jumped to FTL. Theyd have to take at least one primary relay out, based on what we know about the relay network.