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So, if Sera is lesbian.. that means there's a homosexual male too, right?


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Actually, saying in public like "Wow, she is extremely ugly, or looks like a man" is disrespectful.  Yes, opinions are fine, but its how abrasive its been used. Its better to say, I don't consider her attractive in appearance. Quite shallow mind you. More to the point that since Sera was confirmed lesbian, more hate came out against Cass and Vivi, that I noticed. Without really knowing any of these characters better, but just going by small descriptions. Honestly, I am not worried about who will be available to who, cause I do play variety of ways. Some guys have yet to learn appearance isn't everything, and some get lucky to not worry about it, but these are game characters. 

 

The thing about women looking like dolls is the concept that more often in the games, women tend to be sexualized a little more than normal. DoA is a strong contender on that imaging. If I got the title mixed up, its the one with the girls in bikini's bouncing around. This is what a lot of in game females tend to look like. Some of the appearances in some of the games have gotten slightly better than what was. This is the point of that type of argument and disagreements. When a female finally looks like some of the women I tend to see around my life in DA:I, they get bashed by men in here. This is the point of defense. Not saying your opinion is wrong, just a lot of expressions goes further than should be.

 

Your opinions are yours, as mine are mine, I cant and will not change yours. Its who you are, and that is also another point of arguments. Some expecting to force a change upon others. hmmm...  sounds too familiar and why I avoid some people  :)  If someone is lesbian or gay or even straight, it shouldn't be yelled about, its done. Some don't get the concept of let it be, that is where roughness/disagreements/arguments happens.  Case in point, a guy told my friend that if she was in his country, she would be shot cause she doesn't like men only cause he wanted to have her one night. I'm not the only one that stopped talking to this guy anymore.

 

I'm not posting this to change your views, but to express why some of the heat is going on in here. I am a straight male, more often equal representation falls kinda flat. It doesn't take much homework to see the case. AC: Unity on a lack of women, blatantly saying a woman is too much work to do. When Liberation features a woman assassin itself. Black men have only had a few representations themselves, black women almost have none. It should be fair to have something for them as well. This is what most in here want, equal representation.

 

 

It's disrespectful if it's said in such a way. There is a different thing to say "i think she is ugly" and "OH MY GOD SHE SUCKS BALLZ LOL". If you believe that calling someone ugly is the breaking point of civilized conversation then yes you will probably get angry, but it's a fine line between what people think it's acceptable and what is not and not everyone has the patience for it. I do agree that a lot of times, commenting on the looks of someone can be out of place (like probably this thread), but this situation would happen even if I made a thread and asked everyone their sincere opinion about looks. Also the point of these threads is to learn the opinions of the others. If I'm expected to say that everyone is beautiful and attractive and awesome just to not be rude, then there is no point.

 

I don't want to make wild generalizations but straight men know of ugly and unattractive as much as the rest. Some of us embrace it. We fart publicly and drink excessive amounts of beer. Calling someone ugly isn't a big deal for us. Behaving like this leaves no room for illusion that we are attractive to everyone although some may like it. It isn't such a leap to think that there are women who have similar attitudes. My problem is with the people that just won't accept the fact that their vision for human can be considered unattractive and are quick to channel their frustration using the stereotypes and making everyone a cliche.

 

Also a lot of us don't understand what the other sex finds attractive and I bet this applies for them as well. When I was younger I thought that having long hair, goatee and painted nails and eyes is attractive (and I still do). Some liked it, some made a point of bashing me. My mother had a field day teasing me and it became even harder when she learned that my best friend is gay. What is my next move? I can either accept that some people are like that and that's the point and the price of being different, or I can blame the world and become disconnected.

 

I do understand why you are posting and I welcome it because it's people like you that allow me to grow and understand the reason for my views. But also I'm in the role of the advocate. I like participating on this forum and I hate bashing as much as the next person but I can't just simply stand idle when someone takes advantage of it claiming a higher purpose that we all have to agree on.


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Well yeah Cassandra does have some masculine features. This doesn't mean she looks like a man though and of course people are going to be insulted if you say it does because there are plenty of women out there with features like that.  Also, you are completely glossing over the fact that most of these people also said she looks ugly because of this. 

 

So what, their opinion doesn't matter? Just because some can relate with a character does this mean that all the others have to change their opinions and be accommodating? I can relate with other game characters and a lot of people have said that they find them unattractive. If so, going on the war path should be the right thing to do?

 

Also sorry, I meant gender but anyone can understand what I'm talking about. Do you really need to point it out?



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to answer OP and stay away of the ridiculous discussion about personal tastes:

Cullen will turn out to be gay, imho. it's only fair to make one semi attractive male inaccessible for girls  :P

Speaking as a gay man, girls can keep Cullen.  <_<


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As for the original topic of the thread:

 

No, I'm not holding my breath for BioWare to make a strictly gay male character.



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Put up or shut up. Females only get access to Sera whereas Cassandra will be available to males. If you don't like it, too bad for you. Really. It's as simple as that.



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I think all the romance content should be open to all possible character combinations.



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I think all the romance content should be open to all possible character combinations.

 

Ew, no. I rather prefer it this way. We can actually have real homosexual characters that'll have their sexuality actually acknowledged instead of the slipshod way it was handled in DAII (especially for the male characters).



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to answer OP and stay away of the ridiculous discussion about personal tastes:
Cullen will turn out to be gay, imho. it's only fair to make one semi attractive male inaccessible for girls  :P


I'd bring the popcorn for that party.
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Ew, no. I rather prefer it this way. We can actually have real homosexual characters that'll have their sexuality actually acknowledged instead of the slipshod way it was handled in DAII (especially for the male characters).

Real homosexual characters that have their sexuality acknowledged can exist outside of the romance options. Just like there are a billion acknowledged heterosexuals in the previous games that are not romanceable characters.

 

I would rather not be locked out of certain content just because I want to play a gay man in one of the three game series in the entire world that lets me do that.



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I'd bring the popcorn for that party.

MAYHEM!

 

ooh, that would be swell indeed  :lol:



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So what, their opinion doesn't matter? Just because some can relate with a character does this mean that all the others have to change their opinions and be accommodating? I can relate with other game characters and a lot of people have said that they find them unattractive. If so, going on the war path should be the right thing to do?

 

Also sorry, I meant gender but anyone can understand what I'm talking about. Do you really need to point it out?

 

If I thought their opinions didn't matter I would have said so. I feel like allot of people don't understand that while you are free to express your opinion, others are free to criticize that opinion. Also "can relate" is sort of downplaying the point I made, their are women out there who share Cassandra's features and they are being called mannish and ugly in this thread by association. It is as simple as that and you expect everyone to just be ok with that? 

 

Aren't you going on the war path, with people who you do not agree with? How is this any different? 

 

Oh and yes it was worth pointing out. 



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@vin  cass is tearing open 8ft tall iron walls with her bare hands, she is Aveline all over again. If you watch game of thrones, she is the Brienne character. 

 

Okay... How is it a manly attribute to be able to tear open an iron wall with bare hands ? As far as I'm concerned I find it more unrealistic than anything, and I would find it unrealistic for a man as well. And how was Aveline manly ?

 

But locking a character down like this doesn't make much sense.  

 

We agree to disagree.

 

Also I've seen the term LGBTQ mentionned a few times in this topic, what does it mean ? 

 

Back to Sera I don't really mind if she is gay, I never actually found her that attractive. Then again I probably will try it with a female playthrough but out of curiosity more than anything.



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Also I've seen the term LGBTQ mentionned a few times in this topic, what does it mean ?

Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Queer



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Also I've seen the term LGBTQ mentionned a few times in this topic, what does it mean ?

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender/Transsexual, Queer/Questioning

 

Or, if you're in a sandwich bar:

 

Lettuce, Gherkins, Bacon, Tomato and Q-cumber.



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Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender/Transsexual, Queer/Questioning

 

Or, if you're in a sandwich bar:

 

Lettuce, Gherkins, Bacon, Tomato and Q-cumber.

Ah, you put it better than I did.



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If I thought their opinions didn't matter I would have said so. I feel like allot of people don't understand that while you are free to express your opinion, others are free to criticize that opinion. Also "can relate" is sort of downplaying the point I made, their are women out there who share Cassandra's features and they are being called mannish and ugly in this thread by association. It is as simple as that and you expect everyone to just be ok with that? 

 

Aren't you going on the war path, with people who you do not agree with? How is this any different? 

 

Oh and yes it was worth pointing out. 

 

 

And I'm all about criticizing, but as you say that I downplay your angle, I think you substitute the word bashing with criticizing, don't you?

 

And my point still stands, I don't see many bald men with strong lips coming here and saying that you are all vile misanthropes for saying that we look like nosferatu (Solas reference). Also I'm asking you, what should I do. Lets say I think that Cassandra is ugly. How should I express it without being called a misogynist? Help me out here.

 

Also what I do is different because I don't make it us vs them like most people here do. I don't claim that god is on my side when I bash opinions.


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Real homosexual characters that have their sexuality acknowledged can exist outside of the romance options. Just like there are a billion acknowledged heterosexuals in the previous games that are not romanceable characters.

 

I would rather not be locked out of certain content just because I want to play a gay man in one of the three game series in the entire world that lets me do that.

 

Companions tend to have more importance in the story as well as have more presence than NPCs, so LGBT companions would have more prominence than LGBT NPCs. I'd rather have people actually be encouraged to interact with such characters as companions than to be able to ignore them if they were NPCs, than have some people want to bone any character they want just because of their never ending thirst. And it seems as if the devs agree with me. Sorry.



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And my point still stands, I don't see many bald men with strong lips coming here and saying that you are all vile misanthropes for saying that we look like nosferatu (Solas reference).

 

I was pretty certain that his sharp ears were a big part of the reason why that Nosferatu thing came about.

 

Ex. A

 

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Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender/Transsexual, Queer/Questioning

 

Or, if you're in a sandwich bar:

 

Lettuce, Gherkins, Bacon, Tomato and Q-cumber.

 

I like your versions better :D but thanks to the both of you nonetheless.

 

How should I express it without being called a misogynist? Help me out here.

 

Just say that she is not to your liking and not that she is ugly this way you won't hurt anyone.


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Just say that she is not to your liking and not that she is ugly this way you won't hurt anyone.

 

 

And what happens if someone asks me why?

Also why expanding on the negative features is such a different thing than expanding on positive features? I don't just want to give thumbs up or thumbs down, I may want to make a case and give a reason.


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Companions tend to have more importance in the story as well as have more presence than NPCs, so LGBT companions would have more prominence than LGBT NPCs. I'd rather have people actually be encouraged to interact with such characters as companions than to be able to ignore them if they were NPCs, than have some people want to bone any character they want just because of their never ending thirst. And it seems as if the devs agree with me. Sorry.

Sorry for what? Insulting me by suggesting that my only interest in experiencing romance content is because it somehow gives me sexual satisfaction? I should hope so.

 

"You're not legitimately upset that the kinds of stories you can tell with a gay character have been severely limited! You obviously just use Dragon Age as some kind of extremely tame pornography!"

 

Because that makes perfect sense. I mean, where else could I possibly see dudes kiss? The internet? Pffffffft.