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[daveliam]

What this forum could really use is a romance filter.

I'm not kidding.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that there is one.  It's the left click on the mouse.  If it's a romance thread, you don't activate the left click and it "filters" that thread out so that you don't have to read the posts or engage in the conversation.

[Neon Rising Winter]

What this forum could really use is a romance filter.

I'm not kidding.

Oh that's easy, it's a bit interactive but look at the topic title, does it contain any of the following words:

 

male, female, hair, appearance, ugly, romace, relationship, sex, any character name, any term describing sexuality

 

If so flee, lest the romance leap upon you like a frenzied mabari.

[The Hierophant]

I wouldn't be surprised that if we used a rom filter, only a dozen normal threads for every one hundred rom based ones would show up during any given search in this section.

[dlux]

I'm pretty sure that there is one.  It's the left click on the mouse.  If it's a romance thread, you don't activate the left click and it "filters" that thread out so that you don't have to read the posts or engage in the conversation.

It's not a filter if I can still see the romance threads.

[daveliam]

It's not a filter if I can still see the romance threads.

 

Don't click on them and you won't have to see more than a title.  You can ignore the threads as much as you like.  It's what everyone else does for threads that they are not interested in. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What this forum could really use is a romance filter.

I'm not kidding.

 

[sandalisthemaker]

I second the idea that BioWare should reveal the gay male companion at GaymerX. If not sooner. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Don't click on them and you won't have to see more than a title.  You can ignore the threads as much as you like.  It's what everyone else does for threads that they are not interested in.

I find it strange that so many romance haters go into romance threads just to say how they hate the romance content

[Schmonozov]

Bioware needs to be very careful, they have lost the trust of most of their fanbase, statistics prove it, no matter what Bioware likes to think, and limiting the vast majority of their fanbase isn't the best idea.

[GVulture]

Then import a savegame?

Yes, because as much as I love Mass Effect, I love the idea of having to play through ME2 again just to have the possibility of romancing Garrus.

 

At least the "ME2 gated" romances for Broshep... you know... didn't have the characters die or leave you no matter what. Miri, Jack, and Tali still fall at Shepard's feet no matter what. Whereas FemShep... "Sorry, was I supposed to wait for you?"

[GVulture]

Bioware needs to be very careful, they have lost the trust of most of their fanbase, statistics prove it, no matter what Bioware likes to think, and limiting the vast majority of their fanbase isn't the best idea.

But the straight male gamer who throws fits about losing a LI isn't the "vast majority" of their fanbase. The vast majority of their fanbase either doesn't care or is a bit more open minded. Pissing off the type of people that screw up their faces and stomp their feet because the remaining choices aren't to their liking probably doesn't phase Bioware at all. They can go play something else that might fit their rigid expectations of what the "ST8 male gamer deserves".

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Bioware needs to be very careful, they have lost the trust of most of their fanbase, statistics prove it, no matter what Bioware likes to think, and limiting the vast majority of their fanbase isn't the best idea.

Are you saying all straight male gamers are gonna abandon BW just cos they made 1 female companion lesbian?

[GVulture]

Are you saying all straight male gamers are gonna abandon BW just cos they made 1 female companion lesbian?

No, just the ones that are so worried about being a manly dude that everyone and everything around them must conform to their idea of masculine and feminine.

 

My husband is a straight male gamer and guess who he romanced in Origins and DA2? Zev and Anders. (Mass Effect was Liara and Miri) because... well... those were the two people he thought his CHARACTER would like the most.

[sandalisthemaker]

BioWare is taking the initiative, including non-white, homosexual, and/or non-conventionally attractive characters and giving them important and prominent roles in their story,  since other developers seem to be too scared or unwilling to do so.

 

If this "alienates" and "limits" people not used to feeling this way, then so be it.  How often have gamers not in the majority been alienated and limited? For far too long.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Are you saying all straight male gamers are gonna abandon BW just cos they made 1 female companion lesbian?

 

The other day I saw someone here say that ME3 was ruined because Shepard couldn't holster their weapon. Lesbians are not a subject too petty for people to abandon ship over! However, as has already been said, the vast majority of straight male gamers are not that petty. Even if we only consider the ones who want to romance Sera, some of them will just romance someone else instead and others will make a female character.

 

Happily, BioWare's attitude to people complaining about the GAY COOTIES in their games seems to be 'don't let the door hit you on the way out.' And if they cared about people complaining they can't romance a particular character, they wouldn't be going back to gender and race-gating ...

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, I guess it's time to break this back out. The original thread is lost to the archives, but you can read about it more here. It's from David Gaider, back in 2011: 

 

http://www.nomorelos...-it-by-bioware/

 

 

"The romances in the game are not for “the straight male gamer”. They’re for everyone. We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention. We have good numbers, after all, on the number of people who actually used similar sorts of content in DAO and thus don’t need to resort to anecdotal evidence to support our idea that their numbers are not insignificant… and that’s ignoring the idea that they don’t have just as much right to play the kind of game they wish as anyone else. The “rights” of anyone with regards to a game are murky at best, but anyone who takes that stance must apply it equally to both the minority as well as the majority. The majority has no inherent “right” to get more options than anyone else.

 

More than that, I would question anyone deciding they speak for “the straight male gamer” just as much as someone claiming they speak for “all RPG fans”, “all female fans” or even “all gay fans”. You don’t. If you wish to express your personal desires, then do so. I have no doubt that any opinion expressed on these forums is shared by many others, but since none of them have elected a spokesperson you’re better off not trying to be one. If your attempt is to convince BioWare developers, I can tell you that you do in fact make your opinion less convincing by doing so.

 

And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They’re so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don’t see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what’s everyone’s fuss all about? That’s the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want.

 

The truth is that making a romance available for both genders is far less costly than creating an entirely new one. Does it create some issues of implementation? Sure– but anything you try on this front is going to have its issues, and inevitably you’ll always leave someone out in the cold. In this case, are all straight males left out in the cold? Not at all. There are romances available for them just the same as anyone else. Not all straight males require that their content be exclusive, after all, and you can see that even on this thread.

 

Would I do it again? I don’t know. I doubt I would have Anders make the first move again– at the time, I thought that requiring all romances to have Hawke initiate everything was the unrealistic part. Even if someone decides that this makes everyone “unrealistically” bisexual, however, or they can’t handle the idea that the character might be bisexual if they were another PC… I don’t see that as a big concern, to be honest. Romances are never one-size-fits-all, and even for those who don’t mind the sexuality issue there’s no guarantee they’ll find a character they even want to romance. That’s why romances are optional content. It’s such a personal issue that we’ll never be able to please everyone. The very best we can do is give everyone a little bit of choice, and that’s what we tried here."

[GVulture]

Instead of complaining about how they're feeling slighted maybe they should go... "Oh... is this how people felt when they discovered that X wasn't romancable by a female character?" and go for a bit of understanding. They're not being slighted. SOMEONE else is just getting a share. Don't whinge about someone else getting a slice of cake when you've had 20+ plus years of cake while everyone else just sat on the side lines watching you eat.

 

I am 5ever heartbroken I couldn't romance Aveline and Varric in DA2 but I didn't stomp my feet and complained about it online. I didn't rend my clothes or pull my hair. I appreciated the writing behind the character that drives them in a different direction than my PC because THAT is what the gender/race gating is supposed to be about. Making the characters MORE everything than they were before. Making it less like "I hit the heart button you LURVE me now!' and more about that character's attraction to your PC more real. Not realistic. Real.

Because personally, if they were to go back to Everyone is Bi thing, I would want them to write DIFFERENT romances based on gender. I want more Bisexual Kaidan's Reality Check where he tells BroShep about the attraction he has had for him the whole time. Not everything being the same line for line. I want Isabela talking about what she loves about Hawke as female lover. That kind of thing. That is what I picture when I hear about "realistic" romances in these games.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

The other day I saw someone here say that ME3 was ruined because Shepard couldn't holster their weapon. Lesbians are not a subject too petty for people to abandon ship over! However, as has already been said, the vast majority of straight male gamers are not that petty. Even if we only consider the ones who want to romance Sera, some of them will just romance someone else instead and others will make a female character.
 
Happily, BioWare's attitude to people complaining about the GAY COOTIES in their games seems to be 'don't let the door hit you on the way out.' And if they cared about people complaining they can't romance a particular character, they wouldn't be going back to gender and race-gating ...

I saw that ME3 quote too, seems silly that it would ruin the entire game, least is abit better then the people who were complaining again over not being able to romance Samantha Traynor as a male

[draken-heart]

BioWare is taking the initiative, including non-white, homosexual, and/or non-conventionally attractive characters and giving them important and prominent roles in their story,  since other developers seem to be too scared or unwilling to do so.

 

If this "alienates" and "limits" people not used to feeling this way, then so be it.  How often have gamers not in the majority been alienated and limited? For far too long.

 

I do not care, I know that there are gay men and lesbians in real life, so I know that they should do that in games. In relation to the topic, I am certain they will have a gay male to balance Sera's orientation out.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I saw that ME3 quote too, seems silly that it would ruin the entire game, least is abit better then the people who were complaining again over not being able to romance Samantha Traynor as a male

 

It was certainly a unique reason for hating on ME3, and I have to admit you don't see many of those .

[sandalisthemaker]

I do not care, I know that there are gay men and lesbians in real life, so I know that they should do that in games. In relation to the topic, I am certain they will have a gay male to balance Sera's orientation out.

 

Well I certainly hope so.

 

And I hope that BSN has really good gaydar and the popular suspicions regarding Dorian are correct.

[daveliam]

So what do you think the odds are that IB will be a bisexual LI?  He definitely sounds like he's bisexual, but the LI part is up in the air?

 

I would be over the moon thrilled if Cullen and IB were bisexual and Dorian was gay!  I wouldn't even know what to do with myself with three LI options! 

There's really no bad scenario for me now since I would be happy to romance Dorian, IB, Cullen, Varric, and Blackwall (in that order).  So even if Solas is the gay option and Cullen is straight, there has to be at least one guy that I like who will be a LI.  I have come to terms that I might have to roll a character just to get access to the romance because of race gating, but I guess that's okay.  It's not my favorite prospect, but I guess I will manage.

[GVulture]

In an attempt to swing it back on topic. Yes. I think it is almost certain there will be a male only romance for the man candy in the game.

 

I kinda want it to be Solas, if only because out of the other options... As much as I PLAN to roll a Manquizzy at one point... I kinda want to "Scale the Wall" with a Dwarf and smooch Dorian with both genders.

[sandalisthemaker]

So what do you think the odds are that IB will be a bisexual LI?  He definitely sounds like he's bisexual, but the LI part is up in the air?

 

I would be over the moon thrilled if Cullen and IB were bisexual and Dorian was gay!  I wouldn't even know what to do with myself with three LI options! 

There's really no bad scenario for me now since I would be happy to romance Dorian, IB, Cullen, Varric, and Blackwall (in that order).  So even if Solas is the gay option and Cullen is straight, there has to be at least one guy that I like who will be a LI.  I have come to terms that I might have to roll a character just to get access to the romance, but I guess that's okay.  It's not my favorite prospect, but I guess I will manage.

 

Well, IB being bisexual would certainly break stereotypes, which I'm all for.  

 

Bisexual males are so rare in media, rarer than gay men I think.  Very few people would look at Bull and suspect that he was anything but straight, so him being bi would be fascinating for the sheer novelty of it. 

[GVulture]

So what do you think the odds are that IB will be a bisexual LI?  He definitely sounds like he's bisexual, but the LI part is up in the air?

 

I would be over the moon thrilled if Cullen and IB were bisexual and Dorian was gay!  I wouldn't even know what to do with myself with three LI options! 

There's really no bad scenario for me now since I would be happy to romance Dorian, IB, Cullen, Varric, and Blackwall (in that order).  So even if Solas is the gay option and Cullen is straight, there has to be at least one guy that I like who will be a LI.  I have come to terms that I might have to roll a character just to get access to the romance, but I guess that's okay.  It's not my favorite prospect, but I guess I will manage.

I am so up in the air about my preferences.

I THINK my first romance will be Cullen if only because I was planning that ever since the leaked survey showed his concept art... but Blackwall and Dorian are giving him a run for his money. Ser Bara and Magistater Peacock have me tied in knots since the E3 footage.