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[karushna5]

Most all my female cousins and sisters are considered and call themselves Tom boys. Only very few get all, not sure how to say it without getting any negativity, prettied up. I dont think any of them are masculine at all.

Tomboy to me doesn't mean masculine, just a girl that acts like a guy in different ways. That doesnt really help explain it either, it is an old term now most likely outdated.

I always felt the term is used differently when applied to children. As in you are allowed a tom boy phase as a girl when younger, but once you hit a certain age, it isnt appropriate, but it could be just me. On the other hand, I feel like every female dragon age character with the exception of Vivienne would count as a Tomboy otherwise, and it still confuses me to some degree. Even Morrigan could get stuff done and had interest in non stereotypical things.

 

I have to admit, that word really just confused me, but i think you are right that it is a bit outdated, and thus naturally confusing. I always thought the term changed along the way, so my bad, my hang up.

[Little Princess Peach]

It's mostly, I think, that the look isn't as similar to DAO's as they would have preferred.

Even so people change with age, so we can always put it down to hey they aged since the last time we saw them

[Mes]

Of course, I think the vast majority of people in our world are bisexual, so there's that...

 

Whoa THAT is a STRETCH.

 

I think it's more that sexuality can be quite fluid, but for the majority of the population to straight up identify as bisexual doesn't sound plausible.

[lrdrskillz]

We don't know anything about Scribe girl yet. She could quite easily have several of these qualities. Cassandra is a romantic at heart according to her writer. Vivienne is a diplomat- the likelihood is she will be very charming if she likes you.

The devs have explicitly stated that they try to make new, and different, characters available in each game. Its nice if your perfect romance is in the game, but there will always be a different variety to choose from in the next game.

Bioware don't create the characters with the idea of romance in mind, they create the characters as people and then decide whether those characters would be open to romance.

 

I'm sorry that you're not impressed with the options available to you, I really am, but I can't and won't take anything away from the LGBTQ gamers being recognised with a character available to them. If it takes away a character I would like to romance, I will be sad, but I'll also be very happy for those players who have waited so long for recognition- it doesn't hurt me overall to give LGBTQ gamers a slice of the pie they have been denied for so long.

 

A lot of what I'm seeing in general seems to be "I'm OK with LGBTQ gamers getting a s/s romance- as long as it isn't someone I like". 

That's not a fair attitude, and it's not OK. Gay and lesbian gamers have every right to have access to excellent companions. It's OK to be sad about missing out, but its better to be happy for those who are being included

What about PLAYER sexual LI's? like that everyone is happy! I mean in the end its about everyone getting the most out of the game.. Why limit the game when you don't have to? In DA2 you got to chose between ALL romances depending on what you wanted.. Its all about the players.

[Mes]

What about PLAYER sexual LI's? like that everyone is happy! I mean in the end its about everyone getting the most out of the game.. Why limit the game when you don't have to? In DA2 you got to chose between ALL romances depending on what you wanted.. Its all about the players.

 

Yeah that's already been extensively debated. The general consensus from people opposed to playersexuality was that it made the characters less interesting or realistic or... something.

[phantomrachie]

What about PLAYER sexual LI's? like that everyone is happy! I mean in the end its about everyone getting the most out of the game.. Why limit the game when you don't have to? In DA2 you got to chose between ALL romances depending on what you wanted.. Its all about the players.

 

I don't think its a good idea to spark the playersexual debate again. It pretty much ended in a draw. DA:O romances seemed more realistic to some but were limited to others, DA:2 romances were shallow to some but offered more choices to others.

 

DA:I is the tie breaker, can Bioware do characters with a set sexuality AND offer choice to their players?  

 

The debate will continue to go around in circles until we've played DA:I

[Tayah]

I always felt the term is used differently when applied to children. As in you are allowed a tom boy phase as a girl when younger, but once you hit a certain age, it isnt appropriate, but it could be just me. On the other hand, I feel like every female dragon age character with the exception of Vivienne would count as a Tomboy otherwise, and it still confuses me to some degree. Even Morrigan could get stuff done and had interest in non stereotypical things.

 

I have to admit, that word really just confused me, but i think you are right that it is a bit outdated, and thus naturally confusing. I always thought the term changed along the way, so my bad, my hang up.

I would say tomboy was (and perhaps still is) used as a term to describe girls who prefer pursuits society deems masculine or the domain of boys for example building, working on cars, playing football (any code) or other sports more often dominated by boys that kind of thing. It's also for girls who prefer to dress in clothes and have haircuts considered to be boy's clothes, haircuts eg crew cuts, really short hair cuts etc. With today's attempts to make girl's toys all pink and princess oriented a tomboy might be a girl who likes playing with cars, trucks, trains, lego, robots, transformers or pretty much anything advertised as for boys (often with blue as the dominant colour although boys seem to get other colours too) especially if they also happen to hate or dislike pink, prefer short hair and wearing clothes that aren't princess like. 

 

It is still about stereotyping and defining girls one way and boys another so tomboy remains a term that is used to describe girls who "act like boys" which I think is what the term originally meant. I can't remember a term for boys who "act like girls" but I would guess it is very unflattering and prejudical to say the least. It's a stereotype though and like all stereotypes doesn't actually match real people when you really start getting into their personality and character because most people are far more complicated than stereotypes allow them to be. 

 

I think it's not so much the term changing along the way as it is that what society defines as feminine and masculine has changed along the way and so the pursuits the term applies to changes but the term persists if that makes sense. 

 

On topic: I really hope that Viv or Cass (or both are bi) and for the guys that the gay option proves to be interesting whoever he is. I'd be surprised if it's Solas as that would make both elves gender exclusive so I'd guess either Dorian or Blackwall as IB sounds bi  and Varric has a history with a lady so he might be bi but not gay (though he may not be romanceable being still hung up on Bianca unless that's changed) and Cole is not romanceable assuming he is the final party member. 

 

DA:I is the tie breaker, can Bioware do characters with a set sexuality AND offer choice to their players?  

 

The debate will continue to go around in circles until we've played DA:I

True and true... it's going to be interesting when we all find out how right and wrong our speculation was and how well or not DA:I romances end up working.   

[BioticMarauder]

I have to admit part of me is worried about Sera being announced for Women only, because as much as I love her, guys normally have their go to romance, and Sera was that to a T. Many more guys will be upset over that than if Cassandra or Vivienne were the lesbian options. I worry that may bring a storm.

I felt the same way too. Sera was the only female companion that seemed attractive to me. Sorry Bioware, but I guess I'll have to skip this game and get The Witcher 3 instead 

[robertthebard]

I felt the same way too. Sera was the only female companion that seemed attractive to me. Sorry Bioware, but I guess I'll have to skip this game and get The Witcher 3 instead 

You're certainly within your rights to do so. I, on the other hand, will simply roll a female Inquisitor, and get the romance. I did the same for Shepard with Traynor, and to this day, I'm glad I did. It was one of the most satisfying experiences I've had with a romance in a game in a long time.

[Ashira Shepard]

I felt the same way too. Sera was the only female companion that seemed attractive to me. Sorry Bioware, but I guess I'll have to skip this game and get The Witcher 3 instead 

 

Enjoy your heterosexual pandering.

 

Honestly you'd think you guys are made of sponge cake, you break so easily at the first sign of something not going your way, it's quite funny to witness actually. I mean it isn't as if you could play a female Inquisitor to get the roma- oh wait you can do exactly that. 

[BioticMarauder]

Enjoy your heterosexual pandering.

 

Honestly you'd think you guys are made of sponge cake, you break so easily at the first sign of something not going your way, it's quite funny to witness actually. I mean it isn't as if you could play a female Inquisitor to get the roma- oh wait you can do exactly that. 

Heyy I'm just saying it would've been nice to have at least one good-looking woman in the game for us guys! And no I don't really like playing a female character unless there is no choice as in Tomb Raider, for instance.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Heyy I'm just saying it would've been nice to have at least one good-looking woman in the game for us guys!

Well, there is Cassandra.

You are welcome.

[Uetap]

Enjoy your heterosexual pandering.

 

Honestly you'd think you guys are made of sponge cake, you break so easily at the first sign of something not going your way, it's quite funny to witness actually. I mean it isn't as if you could play a female Inquisitor to get the roma- oh wait you can do exactly that. 

 

There's no need to be rude, condescending and borderline sexist.

 

The guy is well within his rights to not buy the game if he so desires. I'm not exactly cheering at Cassandra and Vivienne, either.

 

He's disappointed and he has every right in the world to do so.

 

Using '' you could play a female Inquisitor '' as an excuse is a crappy one. The same could be said if, say, there were no heterosexual options in the game. '' it isn't as if you could play a homosexual inquisitor ''.

 

People shouldn't have to play outside their gender to get the full experience, which is why playersexuality should've been brought back.

 

Well, there is Cassandra.

 

[Ashira Shepard]

There's no need to be rude, condescending and borderline sexist.

 

The guy is well within his rights to not buy the game if he so desires. I'm not exactly cheering at Cassandra and Vivienne, either.

 

He's disappointed and he has every right in the world to do so.

 

Using '' you could play a female Inquisitor '' as an excuse is a crappy one. The same could be said if, say, there were no heterosexual options in the game. '' it isn't as if you could play a homosexual inquisitor ''.

 

People shouldn't have to play outside their gender to get the full experience, which is why playersexuality should've been brought back.

 

 

Oh it's just that I'm hugely amused by someone who has been pandered to by the gaming industry at large, cannot handle the fact that one female character isn't going to bend over for his desires.

 

And if you really wanted to go for the slightly less inaccurate but still hilariously incorrect term, you'd say "misandrist." Sexist would imply a position of oppressor that I do not possess by virtue of birth, meanwhile, dudes are wetting themselves because they're now "stuck" with Cassandra and Vivienne, neither of which I really want to explore why. Because all the reasons for feeling like you're getting shafted by having to chose between Cassandra and Vivienne and not the pretty, white skinned blonde elf lady are exceedingly gross.

 

"If there were no heterosexual options in the game." Yeah but is that actually in danger of happening, ever?

[Lucy Glitter]

Whoa THAT is a STRETCH.

 

I think it's more that sexuality can be quite fluid, but for the majority of the population to straight up identify as bisexual doesn't sound plausible.

 

There is a theory that everyone is bi-sexual to an extent. 

 

Heyy I'm just saying it would've been nice to have at least one good-looking woman in the game for us guys! And no I don't really like playing a female character unless there is no choice as in Tomb Raider, for instance.

 

I'm sorry but Vivienne is GORGEOUS. Idek why people are saying otherwise, here! 

 

As for the second part, that's totally understandable. Generally, I tend to only play my gender if I have the choice to. I'd rather not play a male. Felicia Day stated that in her E3 video, herself. It's quite a common thing. I don't think you should be so quick to judge a person based on looks, however... you might change your mind when you meet them. 

 

And anyway if we're going on appearance Sera's hair is god-awful she needs to stop doing it herself.

 

and i'm going to leave this thread because it's becoming a strange and bitter war between two sides again. 

 

[Lady Nuggins]

There's no need to be rude, condescending and borderline sexist.

 

The guy is well within his rights to not buy the game if he so desires. I'm not exactly cheering at Cassandra and Vivienne, either.

 

He's disappointed and he has every right in the world to do so.

 

Using '' you could play a female Inquisitor '' as an excuse is a crappy one. The same could be said if, say, there were no heterosexual options in the game. '' it isn't as if you could play a homosexual inquisitor ''.

 

People shouldn't have to play outside their gender to get the full experience, which is why playersexuality should've been brought back.

 

Of course you're well within your rights to choose what to buy.  There is also nothing wrong with being disappointed that someone you wanted to romance is not available for your gender of choice.  These are all valid things.

 

But to suggest that you are not getting "the full experience" or that you have no options at all is silly and, yeah, probably a bit entitled.  There is no doubt that you will have at least two other options available to you as a male heterosexual protagonist.  There is no doubt that there will be at least as much content for these romances as any other romance. 

 

There is a theory that everyone is bi-sexual to an extent. 

 

I'm with Mes, I think it's more accurate to say that sexuality is on a spectrum and, while people are probably much more likely to be scattered throughout the middle than society tends to lead us to believe (I think if we weren't so hung up on "picking a side," many more people would realize they could be attracted to both genders), that doesn't mean people don't still exist on the hard edges of gay or straight.  If it were possible for everybody to be bisexual, then it wouldn't be so difficult for a closeted gay person to pretend to be straight.

[Maraas]

The more I look at this pic, the more I love how she looks. Aveline was (somewhat sadly) off-limits, but Cassandra is so much lovelier. Can't imagine anything better... well, barring Sigourney Weaver as a romance option. ))

[BioticMarauder]

The more I look at this pic, the more I love how she looks. Aveline was (somewhat sadly) off-limits, but Cassandra is so much lovelier. Can't imagine anything better... well, barring Sigourney Weaver as a romance option. ))

Bro, you need to get your eyes checked! 

[xAmilli0n]

The guy is well within his rights to not buy the game if he so desires. I'm not exactly cheering at Cassandra and Vivienne, either.

 

He's disappointed and he has every right in the world to do so.

 

Sure he does.  I like romance as much as the next person, but deciding not to buy a game solely because you aren't getting the a certain, gender specific romance seem a bit ridiculous me.  But hey, to each their own.  They're probably gonna buy it anyways, regardless of what they say here.  Thats kinda how BSN has always worked.

 

People shouldn't have to play outside their gender to get the full experience, which is why playersexuality should've been brought back.

 

Life is too short not experience different things.  Play as a female character.  Do a playthrough with a M/M romance.  Step out of that box.

 

Or don't.

[Maraas]

Bro, you need to get your eyes checked! 

Sadly, there's nothing to be done in your case.

[Ashira Shepard]

Sadly, there's nothing to be done in your case.

 

I suppose he freaked out at Samara as well. Dat jaw. Though I absolutely adored her.

 

If Cassandra turns out to be bisexual, I will most certainly be making another Inquisitor. Same if it turns out to be Vivienne instead.

 

Really all the ladies are lovely in their own ways, I don't see the problem here if you can "only" choose between Cass and Vivienne.

[themikefest]

You're certainly within your rights to do so. I, on the other hand, will simply roll a female Inquisitor, and get the romance. I did the same for Shepard with Traynor, and to this day, I'm glad I did. It was one of the most satisfying experiences I've had with a romance in a game in a long time.

She's my favorite love interest in Mass Effect. It was her voice that got me hooked.

[Pasquale1234]

Whoa THAT is a STRETCH.

 

I think it's more that sexuality can be quite fluid, but for the majority of the population to straight up identify as bisexual doesn't sound plausible.

 

I didn't say the majority identifies as such.       Clearly, it isn't so.

 

I do, however, think that fluidity to which you refer is a whole lot more prevalent than many would admit.  It's one of the many reasons why I am so disappointed that Bioware chose to implement set sexualities and gender gating this time.  It introduces the concept of our world's understanding of sexual orientation to their world, and that is quite a shift from the way I have viewed Thedas.

 

On-topic:  As I understand it, Bioware is committed to providing choices, not necessarily to equal numbers of choices.  The people most likely to get the short end of the stick are those interested in m/m romance, followed by female PCs seeking romance with males.  It's always been a little easier to find f/f romance, because they also appeal to straight males.  So - I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would fully expect there to be at least a couple of male LIs who are not gender gated, but there might not be a strictly gay male LI (or a straight one, either).

 

As for gating in general - I can understand race gating, as it is very costly to animate intimate scenes with varying body models.  The challenge of animating a sex or kissing scene between a dwarf and a qunari is pretty hard to imagine.

 

Gender gating is a little harder to understand.  I vaguely recall a few people complaining about the sex scene with Isabela, thinking that it was designed for a m/f coupling and was inappropriate for f/f.  I was pretty disappointed to hear that - I guess I've been doing it wrong.     So maybe part of the reason for doing so is so that they can design romance scenes that are gender conscious.  Shrug.

[BioticMarauder]

I suppose he freaked out at Samara as well. Dat jaw. Though I absolutely adored her.

Samara? Really?! I thought she was almost a thousand years old. To me, she seemed like the Wynne of Mass Effect, if that makes any sense. Of course there could be players out there who dig that stuff.

 

And that's it from me. This thread's gone haywire   Too many people getting worked up for no apparent reason.

[Ashira Shepard]

Samara? Really?! I thought she was almost a thousand years old. To me, she seemed like the Wynne of Mass Effect, if that makes any sense. Of course there could be players out there who dig that stuff.

 

And that's it from me. This thread's gone haywire   Too many people getting worked up for no apparent reason.

 

Multiple discussions lead to the consensus among her fanbase that she's hovering between 700 and 800. If I recall correctly at least, I'd have to scurry through the old threads again.

 

But then if numbers are what you fixate on, Liara states that she's 106 years old. Pretty sure that's older than Wynne.