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[sunnydxmen]

Beauty or its lack thereof is a subjective concept.

 

Not to mention the word "ugly" is rather uncalled for, considering it implies not only lack of beauty, but actually repelling aesthetics.

 

which describes her perfectly.

[jlb524]

I never said that.

 

Then you probably aren't missing out if you're looking for the 'sweet/innocent' type.

[SolNebula]

Beauty or its lack thereof is a subjective concept.

 

True it's subjective

 

 

Not to mention the word "ugly" is rather uncalled for, considering it implies not only lack of beauty, but actually repelling aesthetics.

 

However having a repelling aesthetics is also subjective.

[Ashira Shepard]

Let's be honest, facial scars, a strong jaw and short hair are subjectively attractive qualities.

 

Fixed that for you. 

 

Seriously though, it's kind of amazing, watching the lot of you squirm because you have to choose between Cassandra and Vivienne. As if that's some horrible choice.

 

"Oh no, I have to choose between two flawless queens! Woe is me!"

 

Really?

[Fiery Phoenix]

I never said that.

When you said the innocent type is 'not an option anymore', it sounded like you were referring to Sera.

 

Anyhow, I don't see the big deal either way. I get that you prefer a certain type of female characters, but the ones you do have in this game are perfectly likeable. I would wait and give them a chance before judging further.

[Gwydden]

Fixed that for you. 

 

Seriously though, it's kind of amazing, watching the lot of you squirm because you have to choose between Cassandra and Vivienne. As if that's some horrible choice.

 

"Oh no, I have to choose between two flawless queens! Woe is me!"

 

Really?

Subjective! Not everyone thinks they're flawless queens. I know I don't, and I get others may be bummed they're what they have to work with although it wouldn't kill them to wait and check the actual game. But you won't see me complaining it's unfair, or saying Bioware's doing a terrible job, or otherwise whining until I've drowned in my own little private ocean of pathetic.

 

Not that I'm implying anyone here is!

 

[SolNebula]

When you said the innocent type is 'not an option anymore', it sounded like you were referring to Sera.

 

Anyhow, I don't see the big deal either way. I get that you prefer a certain type of female characters, but the ones you do have in this game are perfectly likeable. I would give them a chance before judging further.

 

That's fair and reasonable, will give a personal consideration over that when I actually managed to play the game.

[Fiery Phoenix]

That's fair and reasonable, will give a personal consideration over that when I actually managed to play the game.

And if Ms. Scribbles is a LI, she might turn out to be your thing. You never know.

 

It would actually not surprise me at all.

[Solid N7]

I feel bad for you if you need a romance to buy a game.

 

 

Hahaha in Japan, if bioware did that kind of thing, they have already gone out of business.

 

 

Dont underestimate the otaku. lol 

[Maraas]

Let's be honest, facial scars, a manjaw and short hair aren't qualities most males like in a woman. 

I can understand facial scars, but short hair? Seriously? Come on. And speaking about honesty and "manjaws" (why do some of my fellow males insist on man=ugly is beyond me):

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Funny. Never thought about their resemblance before. Not that they're lookalikes, but still. Cas looks kinda like battle-scarred AJ to me now. ))

 

What I dislike about Cassandra, is that she's pretty much Aveline.

In other words, what you dislike about her is your very own assumption that has pretty much nothing to do with Cassandra.

[ElitePinecone]

A lot of what I'm seeing in general seems to be "I'm OK with LGBTQ gamers getting a s/s romance- as long as it isn't someone I like". 

 

That's not a fair attitude, and it's not OK. Gay and lesbian gamers have every right to have access to excellent companions. It's OK to be sad about missing out, but its better to be happy for those who are being included

 

Reading through this thread and just wanted to quote this for truth. 

 

The tradeoff to asking for some companions to be exclusively straight/gay/bisexual is that some of those companions might not be available to you. 

 

I feel bad for people who are disappointed, but players are not entitled to romance anyone they like.

[Uetap]

How do you know this? Where are you getting this data from? Why are you speaking for "most males"? Who died and made you king?

 

How many models with scarred faces do you see?

 

In other words, what you dislike about her is your very own assumption that has pretty much nothing to do with Cassandra.

 

What do you mean, nothing to do?

 

I already had Aveline in DA2. Why would I want a character that is pretty much the same archetype?

 

The only difference I see is that Aveline's not a Templar. Yet she was married to one.

[Maraas]

How many models with scarred faces do you see?

And while we're at it, just how many male models with scarred faces are there? Should we jump to conclusions based on that?

[Gwydden]

How many models with scarred faces do you see?

I fail to see any kind of correlation here.

 

How many people of any kind do you see with scarred faces in this day and age?

[WildOrchid]

How many models with scarred faces do you see?

 

LOL models.

Ever heard of photoshop?

 

 

 

Also female soldiers do have scars. And Cass isn't a 'model'.

[Ashira Shepard]

How many models with scarred faces do you see?

 

Totally has nothing to do with patriarchal beauty standards upholding the idea that women are to be dainty and unmarked to be considered attractive.

 

Nothing at all to do with that.

I mean if you're talking in-game models at least, but otherwise...

 

There's a reason its notable when there's a photoshoot about breast cancer survivors with their scars or people with artificial limbs.

 

I mean damn, people will still freak out about body hair on women.

 

Basically we have a lot of hang ups to unravel about what is physically attractive, rather than just repeating a cycle of that one be all end all template.

[Uetap]

Totally has nothing to do with patriarchal beauty standards upholding the idea that women are to be dainty and unmarked to be considered attractive.

 

Nothing at all to do with that.

 

 

Patriarchal?

 

As if men are not expected to be pretty?

 

Let me point you to the most recent generation's heartrobbers: baby faced guys.

 

https://www.google.r...iw=1067&bih=770

 

https://www.google.r...bieber&tbm=isch

 

https://www.google.r... jacob&tbm=isch

 

But hey, surround yourself in typical feminist ignorance.

 

Your kind tends to cry ''victim, victim'' when it suits them.

 

 

 

I fail to see any kind of correlation here.

 

Scars aren't attractive to most people.

 

 

 

And while we're at it, just how many male models with scarred faces are there? Should we jump to conclusions based on that?

 

None and yes.

 

Scars aren't attractive to most people, regardless of whether they're on a man or woman. 

 

I mean damn, people will still freak out about body hair on women.

 

And it's their right to do so. There are beauty standards for both genders.

 

But don't claim women get the short stick, because the playing field is even.

[Gwydden]

Scars aren't attractive to most people, regardless of whether they're on a man or woman. 

Again, where are you getting this? How do you go from "models don't have facial scars" (like 99% of people out there) to "most people don't consider scars attractive? What is the correlation?

[Uetap]

Again, where are you getting this? How do you go from "models don't have facial scars" (like 99% of people out there) to "most people don't consider star attractive? What is the correlation?

 

That models are meant to be attractive most of the time?

[Gwydden]

That models are meant to be attractive most of the time?

Attractive to whom?

[Uetap]

Attractive to whom?

 

Humans, mostly.

[Gwydden]

Humans, mostly.

Which humans?

 

Why do people insist in presenting their own particular subjective tastes as somehow objective, I wonder?

[Uetap]

Which humans?

 

Most humans.

 

You're trying to argue scars aren't unappealing. And that's only true for a very obscure minority.

 

But it's true for most people.

[Char]

Patriarchal?

 

As if men are not expected to be pretty?

 

Let me point you to the most recent generation's heartrobbers: baby faced guys.

 

https://www.google.r...iw=1067&bih=770

 

https://www.google.r...bieber&tbm=isch

 

https://www.google.r... jacob&tbm=isch

 

But hey, surround yourself in typical feminist ignorance.

 

Your kind tends to cry ''victim, victim'' when it suits them.

 

 

 

 

 

But don't claim women get the short stick, because the playing field is even.

Whoa whoa whoa!

I have so many points to make here, but in the interests of decency I'll try and condense it down to the most salient ones:

Firstly 'tween idols' are hardly representative of either the entirety of male heart-throbs, nor are they at all likely to represent male warriors in any capacity.

 

Secondly I take extreme offence to your statement about feminists. I am going to assume it is being said from a stance of ignorance, and that you do not understand what it's like to be a non-privileged member of society. True feminism is about social equality between the sexes, ending gender violence and securing safety and education for both sexes. In a world where young girls are routinely sold, denied education, and thought of as 'less' than men, feminism is a necessary ideal. Just because you have not seen/experienced these issues, does not mean that they do not exist, or do not require tackling.

 

And finally, as a woman with more than a few scars, I am thankful for the many people in this world who consider personality to be an important ingredient in forming attachments.

[Maraas]

None and yes. Scars aren't attractive regardless of whether they're on a man or woman. 

So, if a man or a woman receives a tiny scar (let's be, like you've suggested, honest: we're not talking "missing half a nose, teeth showing through the cheek" kind of scar here) it immediately renders any kind of beauty null and void, is that it? Didn't think so.

 

Scar doesn't need to be "attractive" (though they could be, depending on a cultural context*). The main thing is it's not some kind of ultimate factor.

 

*Was trying to find an English counterpart to one of the proverbs of my native lanquage and found this: Facial scars are attractive to the opposite sex.

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Men with mild facial scars were typically ranked as more appealing by women who were looking for a brief relationship, though they were not considered better as marriage material, a study found.

In the same experiments, women with facial scars were judged to be as attractive as those without, the researchers said.

The sexual allure of the facial scar has long puzzled psychologists. Many believe they are seen by women as a sign of masculinity and an exciting, risk-taking personality, though in Shakespeare's All's Well that Ends Well, an old lord, Lafeu, takes a different slant, commenting: "A scar nobly got, or a noble scar, is a good livery of honour."

Psychologists at the universities of Liverpool and Stirling decided to investigate the effects of facial scars by asking 115 women and 64 men to rate the attractiveness of eight strangers of the opposite sex. Half were asked to look at original face shots, while the other half viewed images that had been digitally manipulated to add scars to their cheeks, jawbones or foreheads.

While the scars made no difference to the perceived attractiveness of women, scarred men ranked 5.7 percentage points higher in the appeal ratings than those with undamaged skin.

There go the most humans.