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[Skirata129]

I know this may be weird, as I actually purchased the game years ago and marathoned it all the way up until Priority Earth. However, a few years ago, I literally paused the game the minute the Star child quit speaking and went on the forums to find out what I did wrong. The xbox stayed running and the game paused for about a day as I realized that I hadn't screwed up, the narrative had just gone completely off the rails. I turned off the xbox, sold ME3 and never touched the series in these past few years.

 

Recently though, I found myself missing the mass effect universe and all the characters in it. I started a new game at ME1 and played all the way up to the latest game with all DLC's. I remembered why I loved it so much to begin with, and the extra time with squadmates in the Citadel DLC gave some closure to the entire experience. Then, I resolved to finish up everything and completed the game with the extended ending and was somewhat surprised.

 

I didn't hate it.

 

The star brats argument was still the most asinine thing I'd ever heard. I never considered a struggle between organics and synthetics to be the central focus of the series, mainly because I never saw the Geth or artificial life to be any different than other intelligent life. If it evolves and reproduces, then it is alive. Sure war between a synthetic race and an organic one may be inevitable, but no more so than war in itself is inevitable. Life will always have its differences and some of them will only be resolved through violence. Moreover, the amount of destruction and trillions of deaths that could be laid at the Reapers feet far exceeded anything that would result from any one galactic cycles war, and had the further effect of causing untold billions of years of galactic stagnation.

 

The difference is that this time, rather than accepting that what the Star Child said was true for the Mass Effect Universe, I decided the Reapers were just a collection of insane rogue AI, and had to be put down for the good of the galaxy. So I chose Destroy. My logic was that if the Star Child's arguments were so fundamentally flawed at their core, there was always a chance that the Geth and EDI could survive with some repairs. Even if they didn't, I believe they would understand why the sacrifice had to be made. The Reapers were destroyed, the galaxy celebrated and shepard was hinted to be alive at the end.

 

I was... satisfied with this. Admittedly I'd have preferred more than a hint of Shepard's survival, a possible reunion with Miranda, the geth and EDI being shown in the process of repair, and more closure in all, but this worked.

 

I'm actually happy with Mass Effect 3 now.

[KaiserShep]

I find myself being much more satisfied with the game when I stubbornly disregard the catalyst's "predictions" and kill it. I think the extended cut is rather decent, though unlike many players, I did not have the original ending weighing on my mind to sour the experience.

[Excella Gionne]

Thing is, war between synthetics and organics is always inevitable, and victory is always usually in the synthetics' favor because they are an advanced representation of their creators. The catalyst was made to produce a solution that would satisfy the conflict between organics and synthetics, but that is where the catalyst is contradicting itself, because they are an example of a war between organics and synthetics as well.

 

The reapers also make room for other organic species too, because if the reapers don't harvest, the galaxy would eventually become overpopulated itself.

[KaiserShep]

Soothsaying is for the birds. The only certainties I acknowledge are death and taxes.

[CronoDragoon]

The star brats argument was still the most asinine thing I'd ever heard. I never considered a struggle between organics and synthetics to be the central focus of the series, mainly because I never saw the Geth or artificial life to be any different than other intelligent life. If it evolves and reproduces, then it is alive. Sure war between a synthetic race and an organic one may be inevitable, but no more so than war in itself is inevitable. Life will always have its differences and some of them will only be resolved through violence. Moreover, the amount of destruction and trillions of deaths that could be laid at the Reapers feet far exceeded anything that would result from any one galactic cycles war, and had the further effect of causing untold billions of years of galactic stagnation.
 
The difference is that this time, rather than accepting that what the Star Child said was true for the Mass Effect Universe, I decided the Reapers were just a collection of insane rogue AI, and had to be put down for the good of the galaxy. So I chose Destroy. My logic was that if the Star Child's arguments were so fundamentally flawed at their core, there was always a chance that the Geth and EDI could survive with some repairs. Even if they didn't, I believe they would understand why the sacrifice had to be made. The Reapers were destroyed, the galaxy celebrated and shepard was hinted to be alive at the end.
 
I was... satisfied with this. Admittedly I'd have proffered more than a hint of Shepard's survival, a possible reunion with Miranda, the geth and EDI being shown in the process of repair, and more closure in all, but this worked.
 
I'm actually happy with Mass Effect 3 now.

I think once you hear the backstory of the Leviathans, and the twisted way the AI has decided to "fix" the organic/synthetic problem, that your interpretation is a sound one. The Catalyst is, after all, the villain, and taking him at his word (regarding organics/synthetics) would be very problematic. The geth and EDI ultimately die so that future synthetics and organics can prove that we don't need Reaper overlords to keep us safe.

"I didn't hate it" is pretty much how I feel about the endings now, but I think it certainly helps that you waited. Without Leviathan and the EC the endings were an utter mess, and although there are still issues they have patched up the endings enough to leave me satisfied with the game.

[dreamgazer]

I find myself being much more satisfied with the game when I stubbornly disregard the catalyst's "predictions" and kill it.

 

Ain't nothing wrong with that.

[Bardox9]

I find myself being much more satisfied with the game when I stubbornly disregard the catalyst's "predictions" and kill it.

 

This is a good thing. Do this.

[ahsari2014]

The catalyst also known as the evil starchild was created by the Leviathans. He was created to take care of a problem. But he took the plan to the next level. And paved the way for the rise of the Humans. And Turians. And Asari's . And the Yagh. So now our time has come to smother other races.

[ahsari2014]

The different endings are awsum. Lets be honest about it, i mean, Shepard got a present handed to her by the little psycho. She had a choice.we had a choice. Bioware gave us a choise. It found it very intriguing just to think about the pro's and con's of the endings. It kept me busy for months ! And i really admit , seeing my beloved Shepard dying in these dramatic ways is just awfull. How bioware portrait her death is..... I hate these scenes. It is a game but Shepard's death is really my biggest dissapointment of the game. It is my simple honest opinion about it.

[Skirata129]

In regards to the last mission itself, that could use some work, but I could understand including all the possible variations of playthroughs being an issue. Still would have enjoyed seeing Rachni forces wiping out their twisted counterparts, Krogan beating down Brutes, Asari biotically shredding banshees, ect. Would have been awesome.

 

On an unrelated note, did anyone ever figure out what a reaperized Salarian looks like?

[Reorte]

On an unrelated note, did anyone ever figure out what a reaperized Salarian looks like?

Remember a while back someone did some pictures of Reaperised versions of various aliens. The hanar one was surprisingly unnerving.

[KaiserShep]

I keep imagining the reaperized hanar behaving like the sentinels from The Matrix, or worse, the mimics of Edge of Tomorrow.

[dlux]

The star brats argument was still the most asinine thing I'd ever heard.

Synthetic lifeforms will surpass their organic creators resulting in an organic-synthetic conflict, which causes chaos and destruction. The Catalyst (Star Child) prevents this chaos and destruction by using the Reapers to cause chaos and destruction. 

Also, why couldn't the Catalyst simply open the Citadel's mass relay to let the Reapers re-enter the galaxy? It shouldn't have been a problem, seeing that the Catalyst actually is the Citadel.
 
Even with it's near infinite knowledge, the Catalyst acts in a very illogical manner.

[TurianRebel212]

I never hated the game. It has major flaws when comparing it to it's predecessors, especially ME2, but it's still a great game one of the better games of 2012 and probably top 20/30 or so of this(err, Last gen, lol). 

 

 

Great game. Would buy again. Going to import another ME2 shepard probably tonight or tomorrow. Good game. 

[congokong]

What's inevitable is that as new players finish the trilogy they'll come onto the message boards to discuss it. The problem is that 90% of players hated the ending so they'll bring forth the same complaints that have been repeating since 2012. It's almost blasphemous on the boards to be like me and actually like the ending and feel the catalyst might actually be correct if its premise is true. A scary notion. Perhaps people shun the possibility so much that they lash out against the ending's entire concept.

[RZIBARA]

Ehhh, I've been burnt out of the series, don't really care for the trilogy anymore. I hated the ending, it was a bunch of rubbish, and I stand by that.

 

I am looking forward to the new game though, even though they showed sh*t all for it at E3.

 

In the mean time, Master Chief Collection releasing in November, that's all I care about now, and probably for a while.

[BurningBlood]

Also, why couldn't the Catalyst simply open the Citadel's mass relay to let the Reapers re-enter the galaxy? It shouldn't have been a problem, seeing that the Catalyst actually is the Citadel.
 

Honestly, this was the only part of the ending that really bothered me.

[themikefest]

 

On an unrelated note, did anyone ever figure out what a reaperized Salarian looks like?

http://img.gawkerass...pg/original.jpg

[SporkFu]

http://img.gawkerass...pg/original.jpg

They still have wiggly arms! 

[Khayness]

"I kept hearing about this fire, but now that it had been put out, I checked it, and I don't understand all the rage about being burned."

 

Basically that's all I read when someone mentions they played ME3 with the EC and all DLCs, and compares that to the release experience, spiced with childish nerdrage from the users and smug PR from EA/BioWare.

[Han Shot First]

Post EC and Leviathan the Catalyst basically got turned into Clu from Tron

 

 

A conversation between the Leviathans and the Catalyst might not have been drastically different. "I did everything you ever asked, I executed the plan. I created the perfect system."

 

The Catalyst is nothing more an imperfectly programmed A.I. that backfired on his creators in the worst possible way imaginable. There is no reason to hang onto its every word as if it is clairvoyant. It can no more predict the future than Miss Cleo.

 

Shoot the tube.

[ahsari2014]

Honestly, this was the only part of the ending that really bothered me.

Synthetic lifeforms will surpass their organic creators resulting in an organic-synthetic conflict, which causes chaos and destruction. The Catalyst (Star Child) prevents this chaos and destruction by using the Reapers to cause chaos and destruction. 
Also, why couldn't the Catalyst simply open the Citadel's mass relay to let the Reapers re-enter the galaxy? It shouldn't have been a problem, seeing that the Catalyst actually is the Citadel.
 
Even with it's near infinite knowledge, the Catalyst acts in a very illogical manner.

. In the original ending my Shepard asked the catalyst something. He answered that the Reapers where not aware of him being in charge . He let the reapers ,Harbinger, Sovereign ,believe that they where in control . That is why he did not signal, give the reapers no fuel for deduction. But that is my way of explaining things.

[Farangbaa]

Synthetic lifeforms will surpass their organic creators resulting in an organic-synthetic conflict, which causes chaos and destruction. The Catalyst (Star Child) prevents this chaos and destruction by using the Reapers to cause chaos and destruction. 

Also, why couldn't the Catalyst simply open the Citadel's mass relay to let the Reapers re-enter the galaxy? It shouldn't have been a problem, seeing that the Catalyst actually is the Citadel.
 
Even with it's near infinite knowledge, the Catalyst acts in a very illogical manner.

 

But it's not causing chaos and destruction, in it's view. It's preserving the species that are about to be consumed by the conflict in Reaper form. To it, it means it's not killing them. 

 

Organics will disagree, just like the Leviathan did. But it's the only way the Catalyst can solve it's impossible task. (ultimately the Leviathan will agree that it still serves it purpose)

 

The Catalyst doesn't open the Relay because it can't, or, much more likely in my opinion: because it won't. The Reaper are not aware of the Catalyst. The Reapers believe they have no beginning, nor an end. The Reapers believe that they, themselves are the beginning of the Cycles, and that they instigated the Cycles. Opening the relay itself would be showing itself to the Reapers, and reveal to them that even they are have an beginning.

 

The Reapers not being aware of the Catalyst explains everything from the Keepers to Sovereign. They have to believe that they themselves govern the Cycles all by themselves, and have done so for an eternity.

[Farangbaa]

. In the original ending my Shepard asked the catalyst something. He answered that the Reapers where not aware of him being in charge . He let the reapers ,Harbinger, Sovereign ,believe that they where in control . That is why he did not signal, give the reapers no fuel for deduction. But that is my way of explaining things.

 

They said that in the original ending?

 

I have been advocating this stance for quite a while now... (never played the original endings)

[CronoDragoon]

I don't recall that statement, but I am sure the original convo is up on YT somewhere.