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[leadintea]

The hair she has is the height of fashion because it can easily change to fit the fashions. A ball going on where the theme is birds? Get on that big bird wig. A state dinner where too big wigs would be frowned upon but formal dress is required? A massive formal hat. She could switch out a hundred wigs and a hundred hats a day with this hair. She can switch between multitudes of big and flashy at a moments notice.

 

A shaved head with fancy fake headgear has been a status symbol in several points in history, because only the rich could buy wigs or hats of such quality.

 

Again, then why doesn't she just wear wigs (when she isn't wearing the hat, of course)? Or, to be more concise, why didn't they show her with various wigs on in her concept art? And people love going on about the whole wig thing, but most of the females we've seen from Orlais have natural hair, so why doesn't anyone talk about wigs with them? Besides, like I've said, I'm not too hung up on the whole Orleisan premise, I'm mainly mad that they made the African looking lady with a haircut typically associated with them instead of trying to shake things up a bit or make her look a little bit more unique.

[Eveangaline]

Again, then why doesn't she just wear wigs (when she isn't wearing the hat, of course)? Or, to be more concise, why didn't they show her with various wigs on in her concept art? And people love going on about the whole wig thing, but most of the females we've seen from Orlais have natural hair, so why doesn't anyone talk about wigs with them? Besides, like I've said, I'm not too hung up on the whole Orleisan premise, I'm mainly mad that they made the African looking lady with a haircut typically associated with them instead of trying to shake things up a bit or make her look a little bit more unique.

 

I guess because she prefers to wear extravagant hats instead of wigs? Both are loud and Orlesian fashion choices made easier with a shaved head, and it seems she likes the hats better.

 

As for most of the people we see from orlais not having wigs, well you have to be RICH to have the proper headgear. You know the term bigwig to refer to rich and important people literally comes from when wigs would be the expensive fashion statements to show how rich and important you were?

 

But if you want more representation of black characters with their natural hair I'm behind that. I think the answer is have more black people in the games so it doesn't all come down to her hair.

[leadintea]

I guess because she prefers to wear extravagant hats instead of wigs? Both are loud and Orlesian fashion choices made easier with a shaved head, and it seems she likes the hats better.

 

As for most of the people we see from orlais not having wigs, well you have to be RICH to have the proper headgear. You know the term bigwig to refer to rich and important people literally comes from when wigs would be the expensive fashion statements to show how rich and important you were?

 

I'd imagine Empress Celene and Marjolaine to be fairly rich since, y'know, the former is an EMPRESS and the latter is a powerful and influential bard in Orlais. And like I said, it's fine that Viv wears her hats. They're very Orlesian and they fit her well. I'm just saying I dislike the choice Bioware went with the haircut they gave to a character of her looks. They could've easily given her a short hairstyle like a pixie cut or bobcut, and I doubt that would've interfered too much with her hats as well as given her something not so generic as a buzzcut.

[Eveangaline]

I'd imagine Empress Celene and Marjolaine to be fairly rich since, y'know, the former is an EMPRESS and the latter is a powerful and influential bard in Orlais. And like I said, it's fine that Viv wears her hats. They're very Orlesian and they fit her well. I'm just saying I dislike the choice Bioware went with the haircut they gave to a character of her looks. They could've easily given her a short hairstyle like a pixie cut or bobcut, and I doubt that would've interfered too much with her hats as well as given her something not so generic as a buzzcut.

 

Marjolaine is a spy/bard tho. The best tactic for a spy is be unnoticeable and don't stand out. Wigs would very much go against that.

 

As for Celene we don't know if she'll be rocking many extravagant hats or wigs in the game. I assume so.

 

But I say instead of asking them to change vivs hair lets just ask for more black characters. Then viv gets to keep her hair and there's still more representation of hairstyles.

[leadintea]

Marjolaine is a spy/bard tho. The best tactic for a spy is be unnoticeable and don't stand out. Wigs would very much go against that.

 

As for Celene we don't know if she'll be rocking many extravagant hats or wigs in the game. I assume so.

 

But I say instead of asking them to change vivs hair lets just ask for more black characters. Then viv gets to keep her hair and there's still more representation of hairstyles.

 

We could go deep into semantics with your first two comments, but I'm not going to go there just for something that doesn't bother me at all. And I'm not asking anyone to change Viv's hair. At this point, it's impossible for that to happen. I was just saying how disappointed I am by the haircut they gave Viv and I was giving suggestions as to what they could've done differently that would've made sense for the character.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I had no idea hair would be so controversial 

[Joe25]

Well, you see there was this spell, and it kind of went wrong. And now, She has the a back like a yeti and legs like a bear. Over all, It is just one big hairy mess down there.

[Eveangaline]

I had no idea hair would be so controversial 

You should have seen the hair threads when Sera was first shown.

[leadintea]

TBH, though, Bioware has a real problem with hair. It either doesn't look right, both aesthetically or graphically speaking, or there aren't a good amount of options or variety for players to choose from.

[KC_Prototype]

Sadly she has a buzz....  I don't like women with shorter hair than me, it's unattractive in my opinion. Why couldn't they give her Megan Gooden hair? Black women have beautiful long hair or longer hair.

[Joe25]

Sadly she has a buzz....  I don't like women with shorter hair than me, it's unattractive in my opinion. Why couldn't they give her Megan Gooden hair? Black women have beautiful long hair or longer hair.

Because sadly it is still another thousand years before the invention of perm. 

[KC_Prototype]

Because sadly it is still another thousand years before the invention of perm. 

I know but they couldn't have gotten her some hair like Halle Berry or Zoe Sadalla? 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

She wears hats all day, girl is just being smart with the buzz cut. 

 

Ain't nobody got time for hat-hair. 

[ladyoflate]

The Orlais I've heard about has women with hair shaped like birds' nests with actual birds living in it. Viv's hair is simple, but definitely not elegant, and certainly not Orlesian.

 

Those are definitely wigs. Like Marie Antoinette was the inspirations for that, and the court of that era had very little real hair on display, if any. All wigs. And shaving your head for a wig or hat is very common.

 

Personally, I think the buzz cut adds a beautiful clarity to certain bone structures, and Vivienne's definitely got the face for it.

[ladyoflate]

Although something like this would have been lovely:

 

 

I've also seen some pattern that looked like flowers, although I can't find them now.

 

Also, how the heck do I add a spoiler tag?

[darkmanifest]

I'm mainly mad that they made the African looking lady with a haircut typically associated with them instead of trying to shake things up a bit or make her look a little bit more unique.

 

I'd actually really appreciate if they didn't give a woman with clearly African-esque features flowing straight hair.  That would be the only thing more stereotypical than the short cut (seriously, black women have come up with hundreds of styles suitable for kinky-curly hair types, but it seems like every time a fictional one appears, no matter what time period, the Perm/Weave/Hot Comb Fairy has graciously blessed her).  Given the persistent limitations of Bioware's hair designs in all their games, I suspect a close cut is the best they could do and not screw up wildly, though some tiny braids would be lovely.  Petition for some friggin' braids.

 

EDIT: I just remembered an art thing going around tumblr that presented ideas for Vivienne's hair.  Can't remember the source and Google is no help, so if anybody knows which artist did these, lemme know:

 

[Han Shot First]

I had no idea hair would be so controversial 

 

Alot of people had the same reaction to Jack before ME2 released.

 

"She's bald. Ewwwww..."

[Wulfram]

Vivienne has no hair.  Vivienne needs no hair

[naddaya]

Alot of people had the same reaction to Jack before ME2 released.

 

"She's bald. Ewwwww..."

 

And she's still the most attractive female in the ME trilogy. Her face is beautiful.

[ankuu]

lol!

 

As thats1evildude said, she has a buzzcut, presumably because actual hair would get in the way of all these fitted horns and masks she wears.

 

And it would be horribly hot under those hats if she had hair. But I still doubt she has a buzzcut, I think that thing was just for the concept? Not that it's an issue, though. I love how short hair looks good on african women and men. And buzzcuts were pretty popular among royalty in civilizations such as the egyptians. 

 

 

I guess she's the Tali version of DAI. 

[Luxorek]

Although something like this would have been lovely:

Spoiler

 

Also, how the heck do I add a spoiler tag?

 

Noooooooooooooo. Anything, but the cornrows, anyyyyything.

 

I imagine, given how shitty in general Bioware is with women's hair, they decided on the buzzcut for practical reasons.

 

Oh, and [spoiler] [ / spoiler] is how you add spoiler tags.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I suspect it will give something like that, like Poppy from Watch dogs. Poppy is beautiful even with that hairstyle.

 

 

 

Also relevant: Skin from Skunk Anansie --

 

 

[ladyoflate]

Noooooooooooooo. Anything, but the cornrows, anyyyyything.
 
I imagine, given how shitty in general Bioware is with women's hair, they decided on the buzzcut for practical reasons.
 
Oh, and

Spoiler

[ / spoiler] is how you add spoiler tags.

 
I feel like the cornrows would be easiest for them, though. I wish I'd been able to find that flower pattern I've seen, it was gorgeous. Like a bunch of art nouveau lilies.
 
Also, thank you!
 
Found an example, although this isn't the design I was originally thinking of:
 
[spoiler]

[Nyeredzi]

What about Jack from mass effect 2 eh?

[Neesa]

To be honest, I thought dreads and afros were more overused than the buzzcut. As far as cornrows go, I wouldn't expect anything as intricate as those flower designs (which are gorgeous). Not unless you don't mind it looking mostly spray painted onto the character's head (or worse, a series of awkward looking lumps).