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[Nyeredzi]

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So, Dorian.

 

When has the Tervinter Imperium been honorable in anything.

 

They always allowed slavery, and public torture in their nation, and love it. Their own country is built upon the blood of the weak, and innocent.

 

They caused the blight, and you can bet the Venatori are their product as well. These people kill slaves, and mundane folk for anything, and think there's nothing wrong with it. 

 

In ancient times, the sewer system of an entire city was channeling rivers of blood to their unholy, "Forbidden Ones". Tervinter has no honor.

 

How do people become powerful in that madhouse?- By blood magic, and doing despicable, unspeakable acts of evil.

[Ophir147]

Did I miss an article or something? Who is trying to restore Tevinter honor?

[Nyeredzi]

Did I miss an article or something? Who is trying to restore Tevinter honor?

Dorian

[thats1evildude]

What is this "Tervinter" you keep speaking of? Is it anywhere near the Tevinter Imperium?

[BabyFratelli]

God, I hope we run into Fenris with Dorian in our party. Lots of glowy blue rage action.

[DragonKingReborn]

Ermagherd! Tervinter!

People believe what they want to believe about their country/family/god etc.

Believing something does not make it true.

[SerCambria358]

Ermagherd! Tervinter!

People believe what they want to believe about their country/family/god etc.

Believing something does not make it true.

Are you trying to suggest Tevinter isnt all that bad?

[Eveangaline]

Are you trying to suggest Tevinter isnt all that bad?

I'm guessing the majority of the citizens are kept cowed by the magisters and just trying to live their lives without being kidnapped into slavery. The people in power in Tevinter are definitely very bad but the citizenry is probably just doing what they think they have to to not get killed by the magisters. Remember Fenris mentioned a magister publicly came out against slavery and got assassinated?

I'm guessing there's plenty of people anti-slavery but keeping their heads down.

[DragonKingReborn]

Not suggesting that at all. Just that Dorian can believe something that is different to what others believe and that is pretty normal.

[SerCambria358]

It's bad... but probably not nearly as bad as the Southern nations make it out to be. It's like Orlais except 'the Game' is played by Magisters. 

According to what the game have showed us, it seems they are that bad. ANyone from tevinter has some sinister goal. Im sure there are good people their, Dorian im assuming is support of that, but it seems to contain exactly the sort of evil southerners claim it does

[andar91]

I don't think Tevinter is necessarily all bad. Are there incredibly screwed up aspects of their culture? Oh, heck yeah. But I think it's important to remember that not every person in the Imperium agrees with or takes part in such things (even if many of them do). Also, we've learned about Tevinter mostly from other people who dislike them due to an overall fear of mages and historical imperialism. Plus the whole Andraste thing, and let's face it: stuff like that happens all the time when you don't actually believe in a religion. One person's prophet is another's crazy person.

 

I think most countries have terrible things associated with them to one degree or another. It's easy to condemn Tevinter's slavery (and it should be), but it's worth mentioning that America did that too, as did Britain. As far as Dorian goes, I interpret the situation as him wanting to take the good parts of Tevinter and keep them while fixing the problems--only time will tell on the details of his character since we don't know too much.

[SerCambria358]

But that's because we've only heard it described by southerners and a biased lyrium wolverine.

Im speaking of all the slavers we encounter and first hand accounts, not rumors. The middle/lower class may be normal but its clear that a majority of the upper class is guilty of whats been said about them

[EkhidnaDrakaina]

Dorian is a Cutie McCutiepie but I am all for keeping Tevinter in lovely tones of red.

[drake heath]

Well, to be realistic, the Tevinter were never much beyond the "evil foreign sounding wizards".

 

There's no point in being judgmental about these fictional cartoon villains, if BioWare wants to give them depth, make them less archetypal, then by all means.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tevinter as a nation is terrible. Tevinters(?) maybe not so much. The Magisters however deserve to be eradicated. 

[Nyeredzi]

Ferelden during the blight was in a crisis. Loghain took advantage, and went mad. What happened in Ferelden was abnormal during that period of time. Tervinters are convinced otherwise.

[Chiramu]

OP, that is why he wishes to show us that a Tevinter mage isn't a total D-bag you know. I am interested in hearing from Mr Dorian, hopefully we can see a reveal of him soon .

[Autumn Crowe]

From what World of Thedas suggested, I'm not sure how much to believe regarding the whole "Tevinter Imperium is evil" thing.  It suggested that ANY texts to leave Tevinter are heavily altered as soon as the pass the boarder because of Chantry censorship and the like. Some are even outright forged entirely.

 

It was also implied, although I could be reading too much into things, that Blood Magic isn't practiced as frequently as we were led to believe.  It is still a taboo and heavily advised against.  However, it is practiced perhaps a bit more frequently, and with less repercussions.  I didn't get the impression at all from World of Thedas that every Magister was slitting open their slaves.

 

Some of what we've encountered thus far is also from a perspective of bias.  Namely Tevinter slavers and from Fenris' perspective.  Being a slave used for nefarious purposes by a blood mage, it's natural that he'd paint Tevinter in a bad light.  However, given that his master was a blood mage, and that like tends to draw like, he probably only saw the worst magisters the country had to offer.

 

So I would think that they are clearly more morally dubious than many countries, considering their practice of slavery, but I'm not sure about the entire state being an armpit of evil.

[Nyeredzi]

OP, that is why he wishes to show us that a Tevinter mage isn't a total D-bag you know. I am interested in hearing from Mr Dorian, hopefully we can see a reveal of him soon .

Well...we'll see

[Nyeredzi]

From what World of Thedas suggested, I'm not sure how much to believe regarding the whole "Tevinter Imperium is evil" thing.  It suggested that ANY texts to leave Tevinter are heavily altered as soon as the pass the boarder because of Chantry censorship and the like. Some are even outright forged entirely.

 

It was also implied, although I could be reading heavily into things, that Blood Magic isn't practiced as heavily as we were led to believe.  It is still a taboo and heavily advised against.  However, it is practiced perhaps a bit more frequently, and with less repercussions.  I didn't get the impression at all from World of Thedas that every Magister was slitting open their slaves.

 

Some of what we've encountered thus far is also from a perspective of bias.  Namely Tevinter slavers and from Fenris' perspective.  Being a slave used for nefarious purposes by a blood mage, it's natural that he'd paint Tevinter in a bad light.  However, given that his master was a blood mage, and that like tends to draw like, he probably only saw the worst magisters the country had to offer.

 

So I would think that they are clearly more morally dubious than many countries, considering their practice of slavery, but I'm not sure about the entire state being an armpit of evil.

In Dragon Age 2 I waded through hordes of Slavers. (Even in the Chantry!) When you do crap like this.....yeah, you're pretty evil