Those slavers were mercenaries that worked for one man. The pirate slavers weren't even Tevinter. They were probably from Llomerryn.
Didn't we run into more slavers than just the ones after Fenris? Feynriel was also kidnapped by slavers and we had to save him. (One of the only quests Fenris likes us helping a mage)
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Didn't we run into more slavers than just the ones after Fenris? Feynriel was also kidnapped by slavers and we had to save him. (One of the only quests Fenris likes us helping a mage)
Right I forgot about that one. So we have Tevinter mercenaries hunting down Emo Wolverine specifically, pirates affiliated with the Felicisima Armada, and Marcher slavers who kidnaps and sells other Marchers off to Tevinter where slavery is legal. At least unlike Orlais they're straight up about their slavery and don't go about hiding it or calling it something else.
Right I forgot about that one. So we have Tevinter mercenaries hunting down Emo Wolverine specifically, pirates affiliated with the Felicisima Armada, and Marcher slavers who kidnaps and sells other Marchers off to Tevinter where slavery is legal. At least unlike Orlais they're straight up about their slavery and don't go about hiding it or calling it something else.
Having slavery be the staple of your economy but are honest about it is not better than having slaving rings but having to operate illegally.
Tevinter is supposedly the biggest participant in the slave trade by far.
I really do hope the imperium has a huge role in this game, I always found them quite interesting. But back on topic. Him trying to restore honor to his homeland is a admirable goal. You ask " What honor ?" but remember: different cultures, different views. What might seen unbelievable inhumane in one part of the world would just be seen as acceptable in another. Do I believe the entire friggin Tevinter Imperium is evil ? no. As it's been proven time and time again sometimes the loud and evil are just a tad bit more noticeable then the good. I think the imperium has the potential to have a semblance of (what I define as honor) brought back or to it and im actually pretty excited to assist dorian in this goal.
I really do hope the imperium has a huge role in this game, I always found them quite interesting. But back on topic. Him trying to restore honor to his homeland is a admirable goal. You ask " What honor ?" but remember: different cultures, different views. What might seen unbelievable inhumane in one part of the world would just be seen as acceptable in another. Do I believe the entire friggin Tevinter Imperium is evil ? no. As it's been proven time and time again sometimes the loud and evil are just a tad bit more noticeable then the good. I think the imperium has the potential to have a semblance of (what I define as honor) brought back or to it and im actually pretty excited to assist dorian in this goal.
Yeah. I'd love to help him route out the culture of slavery and blood magic that infests his country. Honestly once you take away those then their country isn't really any better or worse than any of the others. They'll still have mage nobles in charge since I doubt I can bring democracy to any country in thedas but at least they'll be nobles who can't legally own slaves or mass kill people for spells.
I think there could be a difference between evil and eeevvvviiiiillllll. I don't want to speculate too much on this because then this could cast Dorian in a bad light and I think it isn't. But there could have been some event or some thing which woke him up to the fact that the Tevinter Imperium really went dark side. That they have always been straddling the line between good and evil but now they are really sliding and Dorian is like 'ok, I have to do something about this.'
Wouldnt Thedas be following the Qun by now if it wasnt for Tevinter?
*If it wasnt for the Chantry uniting thedas. They conquered Tevinter for a few years but all the nations of thedas united under the chantry and pushed them back to Rivain.
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*If it wasnt for the Chantry uniting thedas. They conquered Tevinter for a few years but all the nations of thedas united under the chantry and pushed them back to Rivain.
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Yeah. I'd love to help him route out the culture of slavery and blood magic that infests his country. Honestly once you take away those then their country isn't really any better or worse than any of the others. They'll still have mage nobles in charge since I doubt I can bring democracy to any country in thedas but at least they'll be nobles who can't legally own slaves or mass kill people for spells.
I doubt we will be able to completely change the imperium and route out the "bad" parts of it. (Side note: I never really saw blood magic as evil, capable of being used in corrupt ways yes but not exactly evil by itself. But that's a different discussion) But to me dorian and the inquisition seem like a good place to try and start.
It was 50 yeas of Qunari rule of Tevinter actually. Before a rebellion/southern Chantry nation counter attack liberated the Imperium.
Anyway, interesting point in the OP actually. Most of Tevinter's more odious features seem to actually predate the Imperium. The neromenian kingdoms seemed to be equally influenced by blood magic and the Genetivi (or whoever wrote the codex about slavery in DAO) describes how the institution originated in the Tevinter Imperium. Perhaps Dorian simply sees "restoring" Tevinter's honor as focusing on what he sees as the positive aspects of Tevinter and ridding it of the negatives.
Or perhaps restoring Tevinter's honor refers to revisiting the days of Hessarion. The century or so after the Transfiguration is the only time in history that the Tevinter Imperium wasn't a ruthless trendsetter of oppression. The magocracy ended for a short period and he may have even attempted to phase out slavery.
I doubt we will be able to completely change the imperium and route out the "bad" parts of it. (Side note: I never really saw blood magic as evil, capable of being used in corrupt ways yes but not exactly evil by itself. But that's a different discussion) But to me dorian and the inquisition seem like a good place to try and start.
Considering the game is once again set in the South I think its going to be next to impossible to actually change Tevinter in any meaningful way. Though maybe, just maybe, Dorian can become DA Is version of Zevran and the Inquisition and the events of the game and the Imperium's involvement encourages him to take a more active role in actually bringing down the corrupt elements of the Imperium.
I doubt we will be able to completely change the imperium and route out the "bad" parts of it. (Side note: I never really saw blood magic as evil, capable of being used in corrupt ways yes but not exactly evil by itself. But that's a different discussion) But to me dorian and the inquisition seem like a good place to try and start.
To be honest I don't mind blood magic either supposing 1: It's done in a safe setting so that if you accidentally **** up and let in demons you have body guards there to take 'em down
2: You only use your own or willing participants blood
To be honest I don't mind blood magic either supposing 1: It's done in a safe setting so that if you accidentally **** up and let in demons you have body guards there to take 'em down
2: You only use your own or willing participants blood
The addictive nature of it is also a major factor, it would be equivalent to cocaine except the negative effects harm more than just the user. For me, blood magic by its very nature is just too sinister for me to condone, yes some people have been able to control it just fine, but thats a very small percentage compared to the rest of mages
The addictive nature of it is also a major factor, it would be equivalent to cocaine except the negative effects harm more than just the user. For me, blood magic by its very nature is just too sinister for me to condone, yes some people have been able to control it just fine, but thats a very small percentage compared to the rest of mages
DA2 really shoved that down your throat.
honor does not mean that your are an angel who do not do bad stuff in terms of morality and must not have slaves and kill people
honor is courage, respect, justice, dignity, honest, nobility
all Tevinters(4 magisters 1 lord and 1 non-mage Circle servant) what we see have a honor even if they were criminals in their homeland...Devera, Caladrius, Hadrianna, Danarius, Maevetanis, Devon
DA2 really shoved that down your throat.
They needed push the major consequences of BM to balance out the Mage-Templar debate, the conflict was the main theme of the game therefore they needed to make the players feel the weight of the decision as to whose side you're on. Knowing what we do after that game, i think it transitions well into DA:I.
Im excited to see what we can do as far as our influence in the Mage-Templar war
honor does not mean that your are an angel who do not do bad stuff in terms of morality and must not have slaves and kill people
honor is respect, justice, dignity, honest, nobility
all Tevinters(4 magisters 1 lord and 1 non-mage Circle servant) what we see have a honor even if they were criminals in their homeland...Devera, Caladrius, Hadrianna, Danarius, Maevetanis, Devon
If you're trying to say that, all the characters that we've met from tevinter are honorable, I strongly disagree
If you're trying to say that, all the characters that we've met from tevinter are honorable, I strongly disagree
some unnamed mercenarys-criminals in Kirkwall and Fenris have not, but those what i named have it
some unnamed mercenarys in Kirkwall and Fenris have not, but those what i named have it
Being a slave owner alone would contradict that they are honorable because it is not respectful, just, courageous, dignified, or noble. Blood magic the way they practice it is another contradiction. As for honesty, im pretty sure more plenty of them lied.
You might be confusing honor with some other word
Being a slave owner alone would contradict that they are honorable because it is not respectful, just, courageous, dignified, or noble. Blood magic the way they practice it is another contradiction. As for honesty, im pretty sure more plenty of them lied.
You might be confusing honor with some other word
slavery and being a slave owner is a common thing in IRL ancient-medieval times and in Thedas where all countries have a slavery especially in Orlais, Antiva and Rivain..i am not talking about Qunari when Tammassaran threat their entire population as animals for experiments and Dwarves who have the same thing where noble castes can do what they want with lower castes and castless who a not even considerate as people
if we will see what slavery system is better we find that Tevinter slavery is far far better what all Thedas countries have
blood magic is not a "evil" and never was and you can never kill people to use it(many Tevinter Magisters use phlebotomy and nobody die but even this are not really allowed in Imperium)..all use blood magic especially Orlais Chantry and Templars who cant create Litanys and phylacteries and barriers what we see in Circle Tower without knoledge of blood magic...i am not talking about grey wardens what cant exist without blood magic
so people stop talking this bullshit and open your eyes to see what Thedas is not a fairy tale word with magic ponys 
being a slave owner is a common thing in IRL ancient-medieval times and in Thedas where all countries have a slavery especially in Orlais, Antiva and Rivain..i am not talking about Qunari when Tammassaran threat their entire population as animals for experiments and Dwarves who have the same thing where noble castes can do what they want with lower castes and castless who a not even cosiderate as people
if we will see what slavery system is better we find that Tevinter slave is far better what all Thedas countries have
blood magic is not a evil and never was and you can not kill people to use it..all use blood magic especially Orlais Chantry and Templars who cant create Litanys and phylacteries and barriers what we see in Circle Tower...i am not talking about grey wardens what cant exist without blood magic
so stop talking this bullshit
Firstly, calm down, no need to tell me im speaking bs
Second of all, no. Slavery being a common thing doesnt negate its evil nature, regardless to how extreme, tevinter mages literally caged elves like animals, thats not an honorable act in any way. It doesnt matter if their system is "better" its still keeping living people against their will treating them as inferiors, that is not honorable in any sense of the word. The people you specifically named were all cruel people, i could explain why each one of them is not honorable but it isnt necessary if you know the definition of the word.
Blood magic by its very nature is evil, whether you use it for evil is up to the user but to use someones life force to better your own power, is no doubt sinister, coupled with the fact that it makes you an addict and influences you to want more power, that is evil. Some people may be able to control it but thats very few.
So please rethink what you say before blatantly insulting me
WHY DID YOU PUTTHATIMAGE IN MY HEAD. OHMYGOD MY POOR HEART.
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Imagine how angry he'd be at Varric for being friends with Dorian. 
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